Talk:Central Valley (California)/Archive 1

Name
Shouldn't this article be named California Central Valley. That s what it is called in the worldwide literature and thats what predominates in the incoming links. It's also less cumbersome than the parens form. Anlace 06:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it should not. The residents of the valley call it "the Valley" or "the Central Valley", not "California Central Valley". If they need to put it in a larger context, they call it "the Central Valley of California". -- Jasper 05:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Poverty
The San Joaquin Valley is somehow said to be one of America's poorest regions: The five out of ten California's "poorest" counties are Kings, Madera, Tulare, Merced and even Fresno, According to the State Department of Commerce and the US Census: these five have the annual median family household incomes below both state and national averages. High poverty rates are deeply felt in rural areas, towns with large numbers of migrant farm workers and where the impact of illegal immigration has affected the local economies. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 06:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Coordinates
Who determined the coordinates for this page? The coordinates listed are not even in the valley, they are in the Livermore Hills. For a broad geographic area as this, they should not be listed unless they are given in a range. Tuyvan 14:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Tuyvan - No problemo. I just came into this article today, these coordinates are GHASTLY! (I live in the valley, why would someone give coords for Fairchild Gulch!?) I will fix these in un momentito....if measuring from Bakersfield to Redding (roughly each end of the entire valley), and moving center between the Coastals and the Sierra Nevadas, the center of the valley would lie near Modesto. I'll go ahead and list those coordinates for now, until we can figure out the range... Edit Centric 19:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

A typical Central Valley scene at ground level
Who decided this is a typical scene? Perhaps it should be defined as that of an orange orchard. People who aren't familar with the area may assume the entire valley is nothing more then country roads. Stormwysper 17:43, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Um Storm, evidently you don't live in the valley. I assure you, it is a VERY typical scene in this valley. The cities only make up a small area of the larger piece, it is mostly agricultural land, farms, grapes, cotton, almonds, figs, etc. Look at it from the air sometime. Same deal. Drive outside of the city limits of ANY SJV city. Same deal. Trust me, I've lived in this valley for more than 35 years, that picture is pretty accurate. Edit Centric 19:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've lived here almost as long, and I would somewhat disagree that it's completely typical. The various towns and cities that dot the landscape are also typical.  It might be better described as a typical country scene.  The Central Valley is heavily agricultural, but not exclusively so. Sχeptomaniacχαιρετε 20:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Local Wind Patterns?
Can anyone tell me what the local wind patterns are like for this area? I am doing a project, but also I think that it would be important to add in this artical. Thank you. Hack3r —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.4.178 (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Where'd they go?
The omission of the Klamath Mountains is probably a bit of a shock to California geomorphologists and geologists, but it will be welcomed by beginning California geology students. The Coast Ranges are bad enough without having to figure out that thing about the Sierra Nevada--making them all one is nice, but it should say bounded by the Sierra Nevada on the east and north, I suppose.

"Bounded by the Cascade Range to the north, the Sierra Nevada to the east, the Tehachapi Mountains to the south, and the Coast Ranges and San Francisco Bay to the west, the valley is a vast agricultural region drained by the Sacramento and San Joaquin rivers."

I'd ask for a fact check or something, but I'd be banned by the community for questioning a fact. Still, that's quite a lot of mountain to do away with in a Wikipedia article. --Blechnic (talk) 05:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

U.S. state of California, United States
This reads a little awkward and seems redundant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.72.66.94 (talk) 13:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Coordination and substantial revision of this article is needed
This article (and its offspring articles on the San Joaquin and Sacramento Valleys) motivated me to join Wikiproject California. I think this is as important a region of the state as any, and this article's "Top Importance" assessment reflects that. What's here is a start, but there's no reason we can't work to turn the Central Valley articles into a top-quality product. I'm especially interested in rethinking how the main Central Valley article fits together with the articles on each region of the Valley. Right now they seem duplicative. I invite anyone with any interest in improving the Valley's Wikipedia presence to drop in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_California. ferretstew (talk) 09:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Elevation
There is no information in the article about the elevation of the Central Valley — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.54.232.78 (talk) 02:20, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Crime
You should also state the gang violence in the central valley. Some people are concerned. - signed by anon IP

art shows
$$Insert formula here$$


 * What formula are you talking about? South Bay (talk) 04:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

History
The article has next to nothing on the valley's history, which I can probably write an encyclopedia about. I am going to start on it soon. Shannon talk   contribs  02:41, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Good luck. --Monterey Bay (talk) 05:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

1.75 million dairy cows
The Irish times writes: "There are no fewer than 1.75 million dairy cows in California ... The Harris Ranch is the feedlot home to no fewer than 100,000 cattle. " Another source would be Farmageddon_(book) NewJohn (talk) 18:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Agriculture
Under the agriculture section it lists "socks almonds" in the paragraph, "Virtually all non-tropical crops are grown in the Central Valley, which is the primary source for a number of food products throughout the United States, including tomatoes,and socks almonds, grapes, cotton, apricots, and asparagus." Socks almonds are not a thing. They do not exist. California may grow almonds, it might make socks somewhere, but it does not grow "socks almonds." I feel like some kid thought they were going to be funny and put this in. Also, there is an "and" before socks that should not be at that location in the list, and there is no space between the comma before the word "and." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.56.27 (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

The flood of 1861-62
"I also worry about a mega-flood hitting the region, as we've seen every one to two centuries. The last one was in 1861-62, and filled the entire Central Valley (350 miles long and 20 miles wide) with water 20 feet deep. This was caused by 43 days of rain from atmospheric river storms."

From an interview with Dr. B. Lynn Ingram, (a professor in the Department of Earth and Planetary Science at UC Berkeley, California. The primary goal of her research is to assess how climates and environments have changed over the past several thousand years based on the geochemical and sedimentologic analysis of aquatic sediments and archaeological deposits, with a particular focus on the US West.)

https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20140905215458-1088431-the-west-without-water-an-interview-with-dr-b-lynn-ingram

I find this quite interesting. That is a huge flood and if more info can be sourced, it is clearly something for the article to atleast mention, if not actually provide a separate article on the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.244.20 (talk) 22:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Just found the main article about the "Great flood of 1862". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Flood_of_1862#Flooding_of_the_Central_Valley

It should be mentioned and linked in the article methinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.210.244.20 (talk) 23:02, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

San Joaquin Valley / Central Valley (California)
There is a lot of duplication and overlap between San Joaquin Valley and Central Valley (California), which are effectively the same thing. I suggest merging. Fig (talk) 11:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Renaming article to "Central Valley, California"
I just reverted the move of this article to Central Valley, California, because there was no discussion or test of consensus.


 * Oppose move. Towns in the USA are disambiguated with commas, while natural features (such as valley, rivers, and mountains) are disambiguated with parentheses. I thus believe that the article should remain at Central Valley (California) —hike395 (talk) 03:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Include Contra Costa and Solano Counties?
Apparently, the region maps on both http://www.visitcalifornia.com/Explore/ and http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=873 include eastern Contra Costa County and Solano County as part of the valley. Thoughts about mentioning it in this article too? Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:51, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

"west valley"/"east valley"
This Matter article: https://medium.com/matter/why-the-california-drought-is-all-your-fault-55f81a947ce2 mentions a "west valley" and "east valley" quite often. It would be nice to have that explained here. ArthurDent006.5 (talk) 08:48, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Remove El Dorado County
El Dorado County is not part of the Central Valley (see the cited reference -- it excludes EDC, which is consistent with common understanding). The green county map as well as the lists farther down the page should be revised. I tried making the revisions myself but they wouldn't save. Pcheeta (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Create Geology section
It would be interesting to know more about the geology, including the processes that created the California Central Valley. SlowJog (talk) 22:16, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

About the size of the Dominican Republic?
I find the comment in the lead about the Central Valley being "about the size of the Dominican Republic" rather unhelpful. I'm Australian, not American, and while I have a general idea of where the Dominican Republic is, I have no feeling at all for how big it is. Maybe Americans, who would be most readers of this article, would know better than me, but it seems an odd analogy to be using. Perhaps a comparison with another area within the USA might be more helpful. HiLo48 (talk) 00:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

The valley
The name section says The Central Valley is commonly known to residents simply as "the Valley.". That is not helpful; the residents of the San Fernando Valley also say the Valley when referring to the SFV. I suppose I will remove the comment from the article. Sam Tomato (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I also added a comment about the TV series The Big Valley; feel free to improve that. Sam Tomato (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Redding, California Removal
Both Shasta County and Redding is deep in bear country; it is not part of the central valley. Del Norte, Siskiyou, Modoc, Humbolt, Trinity, and Shasta county is bear country. Most of Mendocino County is also. Central Valley begins at Red Bluff and it ends to till you get to Ventura County. I am going to remove Redding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.99.38.132 (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

A valley is determined by geography, not by the animals in it. Sam Tomato (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Answering question in edit comment: "Why italicize train names?"
This is part of Wikipedia style. See. For a specific example, see the title formatting in the target article: San Joaquins. Regards, NapoliRoma (talk) 17:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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Many possible additions, but unsure what'd be good to add
While doing secondary research prestudy on agriculture/land use in the Central Valley region in California, I have put together many notes with references that I was thinking of adding here, but I'm not sure what to add or not. Anybody have good guidance for me on this? Kikiboddula (talk) 23:48, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This article needs improvement so it is great that you want to help. Adding gradually over several edits is the best rather than add too much in one edit. For each entry, look for a good place where it fits, sometimes that will be in a wikilinked article rather than this one. You can look at those rated as good articles to see what we are trying to achieve. Be bold, you can always update or another editor will improve it. I often rewrite as I am adding new material and I see how it could be explained better. Remember the average reader, this is not scientific journal. Welcome. Fettlemap (talk) 00:12, 7 November 2021 (UTC)