Talk:Central line (London Underground)/Archive 1

Early conversation
Branch lines can be done with double indentation. Likewise closed sections. The Ongar thing is a minor point, that can be labelled. A diagram with just the names would allow accompanying text to be worked on, so that's probably best. -- Tarquin

What i acutally meant about branch lines was it does not show which was it branches off also. Some parts ar very hard to do i mean the eastern bracnh of the central lines breaks off goes on its own route and connects again laster on. -fonzy

If you did the distric line or metropolitan9which would conatain (east london and hamersmith and city too). IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE MESS.

Er, I have a feeling this is working from one of those "The London Underground: A Diagrammatic History" maps by Douglas Rose, for all the dates and so forth. Is that right? 'Cos if so, this may be copyright material. Then again, all the information he presents is presumably from the public domain, so maybe it's only the exact presentation he has copyright on. Can one of the copyright experts enlighten us? --Bth

The design with ticks for stations is the work of Harry Beck. I'm not sure if design schemes are copyright, but they might be and I'd rather err on the side of caution  It's also more Wiki-like to give a text list that anyone can add information to. The District line just has many beanches -- some of these operate independently, eg the Edgware Road - Wimbledon line. Likewise the Metropolitan: it's now only Aldgate - "lots of branches in the back of beyond". Ham&City is seperate, so is EastLon. -- Tarquin

Yes i am getting the dates and old naems from ther. But i am trying to make it as different as possible. Douglas Ross did the whole underground map together. etc

It would be preferable to either have a horizontal diagram or to stick the diagram down the side of the page. Currently there's way too much wasted space. -- Nairobiny

I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF TAHT BECUASE IT LOOKS TO FAMILIAR. COPYRIGHT ETC. -fonzy

Tarquin what i was saying about east london metropolitain is that orginally the east london line as part of metropolitain so it would come under the same map. Also the district has had 10 different branches (in a sence) - fonzy

I suppose it would be possible to just forget branches and give a list of all stations. - fonzy


 * You could break the DL into branches from a main page. Also the ELL wouldn't necessarily need to be on the same page as the ML; they have different colours now after all. -- Nairobiny

Well the point about the ELL is that at the moment it has no stations of its own or lines. Unlike the jubilee line where it has some of its own and lines of its own. As orginally most of the jubillee line was part of the bakerloo line. - fonzy PS i'll just do lists for now. something can get sorted out later.


 * You must be thinking about another line. The ELL most definitely has its own stations: New Cross Gate, New Cross, Surrey Quays, Canada Water, Wapping, etc...  They're about to extend it up to Dalston and beyond. Nairobiny

Look originally the east london line was part of the metropolitain line. EVen though it did not connect. When i say it has no stations of its own i mean. It has had none built under its own name. (if that makes sence):-s. if you looke ata map of the tube 50 years ago. the line is there but showh in the purple of metropolitain line. Understand? Altough yes you are right tehy are plannng to extended it. -fonzy


 * Sure, but it's now its own line. And should be shown here as such.  What's so hard about that? -- Nairobiny

i know what your trying to say. Its one of these little things. Well its sought of like saying do it for teh cricle line. The circle line has no sations of its own. It was as ervice invented by the district and metropolitain lines.

Well do you have any ideas how to deal with thes kinds of things?


 * "The East London Line is a London Underground line... It was formerly part of the Metropolitan Line but was redesignated as its own line, complete with its own colour, in 19xx."


 * "The Metropolitan Line is a London Underground line... In 19xx, several parts of the extensive network were redesignated and became separate lines, including the East London Line, ..."


 * You can use that if you wish :-) -- Nairobiny


 * I'm with Nairobiny on this one. Seperate according to their current names, and maybe split the District into component services. I've removed the abbreviation list & put it below. Wikipedia is not paper: we have the space to write in words and not force the reader to decode information. -- Tarquin

I really do egta nnoyed when ppl keep telling em what do to all the time. I am fed up with it. I know your not trying to be horrible. But it does hurt me. Anyway I think more the est london line you could infact do it on the same page as the mrtropoltain line. but under the heading of eats london line section. AS it was a section. - fonzy

I am still more bothered about the distirct line particular becuase of all the branches below is a quick map:

The dark blue was when the service was given to the picadily line. The light green are old branches. A couple closd because another line had a service along side it. -fonzy


 * Best to decide what to do about the Met and the Dis on their respective pages. Putting EastLon on its own page doesn't preclude mentioning on the Met page that EastLon used to be a branch. The Wiki environment takes some getting used to, Fonzy. I remember -- I've only been here since January '02. No article belongs to any on person, so we're not telling you what to do, we're suggesting what we should do on this page. An important aspect of the project is that anyone can add information, which is why I've said we ought to have a text list. -- Tarquin


 * O:Opened
 * C:Closed
 * RO:Re-opened
 * FS:First Serverd
 * RN:Re-named

When was that station ever called "NOTINGHILL Gate"??? KF

Its always beeen called nottinghill gate.(from what i knwo) its right in fornt of me ona modenr underground map. - fonzy

Hey, look at my sentence and then at yours. See any difference?

NOTING is not NOTTING.

NOTTINGHILL is not NOTTING HILL.

Have a nice Sunday, KF

You just wrote that to complain at a typo?! why didn;t you just correct it rather than go to teh talk page and shout about it?

Let's stop that now please, whoever you are. I DID correct the typo, and then fonzy changed it back to "Notinghill", and as he has been mentioning older station names I was just wondering. Anything wrong with that?? KF

?? o i know what happened edit cnflict so i copied and pasted over the corrected typo :-s

Shouldn't the stations be given under their modern day names? Some of the history, name changes could be given in the article text and then some of it (rather like for the Mornington Crescent entry could be given in an individual station page. Tourists to London could be confused if they try to find Post Office station, unless they read the article carefully.  -- Nairobiny

I'm trying to be careful of copyright. :-s - fonzy If i say opened as: etc it is turning out more like the source i am getting it from.


 * No need to worry. That the station is now called St Paul's is a statement of fact, not an issue of copyright. -- Nairobiny

What i meant was if i write St pAULS OPENED AS popst office. etc it looks liek the soruce i am gtting it from where as the current way looks nothing like it.


 * Names aren't copyright, and raw information isn't copyright. The phrase "opened as" can hardly be claimed as copyright, a) it's too short, and b) there's really no other way to express the same thing. I would say current name first, though I don't think we're writing for tourists -- they can find GIF and PDF maps on the LT website. I'm not sure we need a page for each station: how much text would be there? I would say stick to a page per line, and if a station eventually gets more than, say 3 paragraphs to it alone, then promote it to a page. -- Tarquin

Well could you quickly do the otehr stations (in that situation) please. - fonzy no chanegd my mind luckliy the central line is wquite easy but some stations have ahd about 5 names changes. and that may be messy.

Example: Embankment o:hasjhk renamed charring cross(embankment):jadjkdakj renamed: charring cross:kkhfh renamed chrring cross embankment: akhakdhk renamed embankment: adhkdhkadk closed: dhjdhi reopen: dfkjdfkj

Embankment / Charing Cross is going to be tricky to lay out clearly. I remember once explaining it all to a friend over a pint or six in a pub. Not a trivial affair... -- Tarquin

Hmmm Also there's more than those stations that have been renamed more than once. King Cross and St Pancras for one. I think just keep the orginal style for now. - fonzy

Another point about Charing Cross itself The Bakerloo line sattion was known as Trafalgar Square until they decided to build an interchange betwen both stations and renamed it Charing Cross.

Heritage Line etc
This section should be updated.

Several open air stations on the eastern section of the line have "GER" (Great Eastern Railways) worked into the top of the awning support pillars. Jackiespeel 17:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Fake Buildings
Sorry if this sounds foolish but I heard some while ago that a certain part of the london subway - not sure which line, may even be gone now - was made in such a way that they couldn't have real buildings up anymore so they built fakes to either side of the road. I don't know much more about this but if it's true can you give me the name? Chooserr


 * You're probably thinking of 23/24 Leinster Gardens. See . BillyH 02:54, 9 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Would love to, but it's a broken link.
 * Yep, the link's changed since then. It's now at . BillyH 15:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

History
hello

Could someone please cite sources for some of the recent changes to this article? The line, I would argue, hasn't had a 'chequered' history - it was successful certainly after the initial issues with loco vibration - its a very subjective view. Secondly, the running tunnel diameter isn't 'unusual' - almost every London tube line has this diameter. Thirdly - I have no evidence for problems with gauging issues on the initial line, and it certainly isn't menioned in any of the major reference histories for the line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeya (talk • contribs) 06:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Central line, not Line
Same goes for all the LUL lines, the "line" is officially small case. Sunil060902 15:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Central Line Services
Based on reading up on things, i have made SIMPLE diagrams of what i forsee for services on the future Central Line and with the proprosed Chelsea-Hackney Line. Just simple ideas in my sandbox. Check it out please.Dkpintar (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Ealing Broadway branch
Can you alter the template to make it that West Ruislip is a branch???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fila934 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Don't worry and yes i can. I will as that was the original way historically. Simply south (talk) 10:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

How are the track diagrams made? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.217 (talk) 19:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For a start, see WP:RDT. Simply south (talk) 15:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio
How? All the article did was link to TfL's line guide. D-Notice (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The artical in question was a straight copy of TfL's line guide, not just a link. It really should have been rewritten or paraphrased before being included on wiki; indeed it even included the marketing speel from TfL's site (which is dubious, subjective AND in wrong tense anyway!). When I read the artical it sounded vaguely familiar, so I did a google search for a string from it, and the TfL artical came up. Hope this helps! :) OutrageousBenedict (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Requested move
There is a proposal to move all the articles of the Transport of London tube lines, capitalizing the "L" of "line". Please see the centralized discussion at Talk:Victoria line. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 23:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Now closed. --DavidCane (talk) 22:39, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Station Co ordinates
Do we really need a screen full of station co-ordinates when they are given where I feel they belong anyway, in the individual articles for the stations concerned? Britmax (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Photo/detail request
Is there any chance, please, of a photo and/or two (or a bit more text, though less good without a photo) to explain the 2011/12 Central line rolling stock upgrades? I've read our article and the TfL leaflet and it's not obvious to me what to look for and whether the differences are easily discernable. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Material included in the introduction
Paras 2, 3 and 4 of the present lead all relate to rather obscure and frankly trivial facts of the "Guinness Book of Records" type -- oldest rail alignment, shortest escalator, shallowest platforms. I rather feel these are second-order points that don't really belong in the lead. Can we move them further down the page? I think a more significant fact to include in the lead would be that the line opened between Shepherd's Bush and Bank in 1900, and was gradually extended later to points much further out -- i.e. a very short summary of the highly complex "History" section. One could maybe briefly mention the "Twopenny Tube" nickname and, what is perhaps a more significant claim to fame, the fact that it was the first deep-level tube under the West End. -- Alarics (talk) 08:05, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. I did some work on the article and have been distracted elsewhere. Edgepedia (talk) 09:49, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Also the last wooden escalator thing is a bit of a problem as its currently sourced to a blog post that's nearly five years old. Edgepedia (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Woodford to Hainault
Does anyone know when the shuttle only operation of this route started and stopped? The articles here and on the stations currently suggest it began in the 1960s but the 1939 tube map shows Hainault as a planned back to back terminus (although Woodford is shown as a through junction). Timrollpickering 16:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed: "Until the closure of the Epping-Ongar section, the terminus at Ongar was the furthest point from London on the network."

both Amersham and Chesham on the Metropolitan Line are further from central London — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.85.206 (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2007

Maybe you can add in like this: "Until the closure of the Epping-Ongar section, the terminus at Ongar was the furthest point in the Essex from London on the network." Thank you. Vincent60030 (talk) 07:27, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Central Line RDT
Currently this is under construction. I have done between Epping and White City, although i have omitted the different side runnings. I think these should be included as well the unique junctions and features around White City. Obviously the rest of the line needs to be finshed as well. See Template:Central Line. Simply south (talk) 23:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Now complete. Simply south (talk) 14:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * This is my suggestion. I hope you can change the symbols a little bit by making stations look step-free with appropriate symbols. Also, for interchange stations, you can add roundels next to it to represent to interchange with another line. Eg: Use a yellow roundel if the station has an interchange with the circle line. You can also make interchange stations have that symbol too.


 * Thank you.Vincent60030 (talk) 07:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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