Talk:Centre for Research and Restoration of Museums of France

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I've moved the article back to the title it was first created with, namely the institution's full formal name in French.

The page had been moved to (one of the possible) english translations of the name. I'm posting here from my user talkpg a copy of the notification provided by the initial mover, plus my response which (it seems) was made too late as the page had been moved by the time I replied:


 * The title of the article is in French. Can it be changed to English i.e. Centre for Research and Restoration of the Museums in France.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 09:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks, but I think it should remain as-is. It might be in french, but in common with many other institutions (such as Centre national de la recherche scientifique, Palais du Louvre, Centre européen de calcul atomique et moléculaire, École nationale supérieure des mines de Paris, Société Mathématique de France, Institut français du pétrole, and so on) these are as often as not referred to by their formal (French) names &mdash;if written out in full&mdash; in an english-language source. Here, the "most common name used in english" does not itself have to be an english word or translation, if there's also a reasonable appearance of the orig. lang. name across english-language sources. In the case of this institution I doubt it comes up enough times in common english discourse to have achieved a clear "most common [english] name". In any event, most of these institutions are referred to most commonly (in french as well as english) just by their acronyms, which accord with the formal french name and not any english translation.


 * One other reason to prefer the original language name, besides the precedent of those other fr-institution articles, is the inconsistency in how it can be translated into english: are we talking about the Centre for Research and Restoration of the Museums in France, or the Centre for Research and Restoration of the Museums of France, or the Research and Restoration Centre of the French Museums..? (all possibilities that have appeared somewhere). --cjllw ʘ  TALK 09:48, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

My reply above outlines why I believe the choice initially made &mdash; to go with the expanded and formal name, not an english translation &mdash; is a valid one. The C2RMF is a reasonably specialised institution, not one that is often written about in common, everyday english language sources. In those sources where it does get a mention in some meaningful and descriptive way (ie sources from its field of expertise), the french name is at least as commonly used as any english variant (and one wouldn't need to know any french at all to be able to guess at what it means, anyway). Almost to illustrate the point about the inconsistency in translation, I see the page had been moved first to "...in France", then "..of France". And finally, if 'english-words-only' really was the requirement, then what are we doing with the dozens & dozens of other fr-institution articles that also appear in wiki under their original names...? --cjllw ʘ  TALK 13:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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