Talk:Cetiya

You need to work in Buddha footprint somewhere here. Johnbod (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Merging Chaitya to Cetiya
I think we ought to merge these two articles together, considering they're linguistic variations of the same term and they practically mean the same thing. Any thoughts? --Hintha (t) 07:48, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose One is an architectural term, the other means a relic. That they share, presumably, a linguistic origin should be mentioned, but they don't "practically mean the same thing" at all. Johnbod (talk) 12:15, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, the two words have diverged. Shii (tock) 12:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "Oppose" Chaityas are sacred spots or temples as well as Assembly Halls created by Buddhists. They were mainly constructed to accomodate those who congregated to pay their homage. The end of Chaitya is a stupa. While Cetiya are constructed to to remember Buddha. Cheennzzzz (talk) 18:00, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

List of relics
I am attempting to build a table listing Relics of the Buddha mentioned in history, in South and Central Asia. I would appreciate suggestions how this may be improved. To begin with I am going to develop the table  here. Although the references go at the bottom by Wikpedia convention, I have put them here for now so that there is no objection to a talk page having a Reference.


 * Looks ok. Do we need a column for pictures? Are you going to include Buddha footprints and the like? "Details" might be better than "Other Information". Where is it to go? List of relics of the Buddha? Johnbod (talk) 21:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Am not averse to a column for pictures ,....incorporated your suggestion for "details" replacing Other information as column heading. Include Buddha's footprints ....yes why not ? ...As to your suggestion on a article name ...I have set out to build the list for "Relics of the Buddha mentioned in history, in South and Central Asia" ...your suggestion of "List of relics of the Buddha " has a much wider consequence . Then again perhaps if we build it as comprehensive list as you suggest and club the regions together as sections, could be a way to do it .Lets see if any other suggestions come along .Thanks Intothefire (talk) 02:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Johnbod - Can you suggest what could be included for pictures, as many of the relics are now lost ...so what could be legitimate pictures ? Intothefire (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on my experience in Japan, I don't think this is a maintainable list. Buddha's relics have a magic ability to multiply. Shii (tock) 15:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * :) !! Intothefire (talk) 15:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Vedic mounds
There were two kinds of The Smasana burial practice among Vedic Aryans, one that is square (Catuhsrakti) or other, round (parimandala).

The burial rite of the Vedic Aryans on the basis of Rigveda (10. 14-18), Atharavaveda (18. 1-4), Satapartha-Brahamana (13.8), and a number of later texts (Caland 1996; Pandey 1982: 190-210; Simirnov, Yu. 1997: 127-137).

Early Burial rites : Pitramedha barrow mound.
 * "The Vedic Aryans cemeteries were situated remote from the settlements. Around the grave a circular or rectangular stone enclosure was built, and above it a barrow was erected (the rite of Pitrmedha). A pit grave served as a home for the dead, and was sometimes supplied with a framework of logs. The Aryans used both cremation and inhumation. If inhumed, the dead were buried in the flexed position, with the head turned to the west. But cremation was the predominant custom (Puhvel 1981:409; Pandey1982; Jones-Bley 1997: 198; 2002). The ashes were brought to the grave in a vessel (Kumbha). After the cremation the bones were taken from the ashes and washed in water and milk: "We now leave thee here rest in peace with water and sweet milk", and then the remains were placed in clothes ; "may he enjoy the grace of gods when putting together the parts of his body" (Caland 1986: 104). Vessels accompanied both cremations and inhumations."

Parimandala practiced by Easterners (Prachyah) according to Shatapatha Brahmana.


 * "It may also be noted that in referring to the ancient tradition of the funeral mounds the Satapatha Brahmana has noted two architectural, viz. square (Catuhsrakti) and round (parimandala) forms for a burial mound, and it is especially recorded that the monuments of the easterners (prachyah) were circular."

Buddhist Cetiya/Stupa is derived from Parimandala Smasana.
 * "It may be Surmised to have emerged from the earthen funerary mounds (Smasana) under which accordion to the Vedic ritual, the ashes of the dead were buried. It is relevant to note that the Satapatha Brahamana significantly says that the Prächya make their Smasana circular (Parimandala) in shape. Aapart from an identity in respective designs and uses, the connection of Buddhist stupas with the Vedic smasana mounds becomes further evident from the regular shafts of brick filled with clay that have been discovered in two or the earliest stupas known in India, namely those at Piprahwa and Bhattiprolu, such shafts being reminiscent of the wooden posts which were erected according to Vedic usage in the centre of funerary mounds."