Talk:Chūkyō region

mergeto Chūkyō Metropolitan Area
In order to stop an editing battle in japanese wikipedia, we sent an email to Japanese Geographical Survey Institute ,"What is the definition of Chūkyō region".

In result, Japanese Geographical Survey Institute does not define the Chūkyō region.

Japanese article "Chūkyō region" moved to "Chūkyō Metropolitan Area" and we changed the most of links.

In English wikipedia, I suggest that this article be merged into Chūkyō Metropolitan Area, and correct/remove the word from the articles and templete.

Sory, very poor English.--Knua 16:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Chūkyō region has a different meaning with Chūkyō Metropolitan Area
For the reason why Japanese Geographical Survey Institute does not establish Tokai district, do you wish you delete a name of Tokai district? Tokai district is Pacific coastal area for Japanese central part, and Tokyo and Yokohama are included in there. There is the significance of existence for a name named Chūkyō district to distinguish these three prefectures from others because Chūkyō district is Aichi and Gifu and Mie. Japanese Geographical Survey Institute does not establish Chūkyō district, but it is a name recognized in Japan.Croisade 04:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Chūkyō district is not always Aichi and Gifu and Mie. It means the area which there is an influrence of Nagoya. In a wide sense, Chūkyō district is interpreted three pref. So, Chūkyō region is almost equal Chūkyō Metropolitan Area.
 * But the word Tōkai region of many articles(more than 1,000) is changed to Chūkyō region by an editor(Already infinity blocked), and this misuse was spread. google--Knua 16:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The area where influence of Nagoya extends to is a Nagoya megalopolis area. However, a meaning of words named Chūkyō district is three prefectures of Aichi,Gifu and Mie. There is the significance of existence in this. Each word has a meaning of its own. An encyclopedia is not a popularity vote. Your act that is going to erase a word used practically is a sin to betray freedom, fairness and variety.Croisade 03:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why can you define "Chūkyō district" as three prefecture? I want you to show the sourse. I don't erase a word, but correct the misuse.--Knua 15:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The area where influence of Nagoya extends to is a Nagoya megalopolis area. However, a meaning of words named Chūkyō district is three prefectures of Aichi,Gifu and Mie. There is the significance of existence in this. Each word has a meaning of its own. But people of Nagoya do not like it. And they recommend other names. Tokai district is Pacific coastal area of Japanese central part including Tokyo and Yokohama.Croisade 03:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh...Chūkyō is not bad name. Chūkyō was named by citizen who is proud of this area. So...I have never heard about that. The area including three prefectures is often called Tokai three prefectures, (東海3県).
 * And, What is Tokai district? The area including Tokyo and Yokohama is National Capital Region or Kantō region etc. Tōkai region is often four prefectures of Shizuoka, Aichi, Gifu and Mie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knua (talk • contribs) 13:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

A name of Chūkyō district and Tokai district is an unofficial common name. Kanto region and Kinki region are official names. Each word has a meaning of its own. Mie belongs to Kinki region. Gifu is part of Chūkyō district, but does not originally belong to Tokai district. The name such as 3 prefectures of Tokai was made by an arbitrary act of some people. Tokai district is Pacific coastal area of Japanese central part including Tokyo and Yokohama.Croisade 03:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, yes. Tokai district was Pacific coastal area of Japanese central part from Ibaraki to Mie.
 * I think that similar words should be explained together for Readability. But, in en:wikipedia, if similar words tends to be separated, I will write this article.--Knua 16:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Tokai district is Pacific coastal area for Japanese central part, and Tokyo and Yokohama are included in there. There is the significance of existence for a name named Chūkyō district to distinguish these three prefectures from others because Chūkyō district is Aichi and Gifu and Mie. Chūkyō region (中京地方 Chūkyō-chihō) and Chūkyō Metropolitan Area (中京圏) are not synonyms. Each word has a meaning of its own. It's natural.Croisade 03:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

New article
I suggest a new article be made "Transportation in Greater Nagoya" or a related name. Greater Tokyo has one called "Transportation in Greater Tokyo", and Greater Osaka should have one soon. Although Tokyo is far larger, both Osaka and Nagoya's mass transit systems are extensive enough to be confusing and mind boggling, thus warranting an article.

Merge
The existing discussion for this page lacks facts and substance so a new one needs to be started.

In my opinion, as someone living in Mie Prefecture and who is well-versed in Japanese geography, the "Chūkyō region" is not actually a region but is a metropolitan area. Perhaps some people, Japanese or otherwise, mistakenly think that because it is a metropolitan area than it also must be a region that includes all affected prefectures, however this is simply not true in my opinion. Of the Japanese people I've discussed this with (from different areas of the country), the only people that had even heard the phrase "Chūkyō" were people living in or near Nagoya. These people had heard of other sub-regions like Tōkai and San'in, however they had not heard of "Chūkyō". Granted my opinion and the opinions of a handful of Japanese people are hardly scientific proof that the region doesn't really exist. Therefore I will layout a few reasons that will hold up to scrutiny.

I propose that the "Chūkyō region" article be merged into Tōkai region. I also propose that a small mention of an unofficial and not widely-recognized "Chūkyō region" be added to perhaps both the Tōkai region article and the Chūkyō Metropolitan Area article...I also feel very strongly that it should be removed from the Regions of Japan template, listed on all major Japanese geography articles, because the "Chūkyō region" is absolutely not a major sub-region of Japan and doesn't deserve listed on such a major, top-level template.

Here are the reasons:
 * 1) Though major and widely-recognized sub-regions exist in Japan (notably Tōkai, Hokuriku, Kōshin'etsu, San'yō, and San'in), these sub-regions don't have major overlap with each other. However, the "Chūkyō region" is entirely comprised of prefectures that are part of the Tōkai region, therefore it can't be considered unique and can't be listed as a major sub-region of Japan.
 * 2) Many Japanese maps recognize that Aichi, Gifu, and Mie are part of the Tōkai region, none mention a "Chūkyō region" (If the map's region list does not split up the Chūbu region into sub-sections, Mie tends to be listed under Kansai/Kinki...however if Chūbu is split up and Tōkai is listed then Mie is almost always included under Tōkai.) This says to me that the "Chūkyō region" is not recognized country-wide whereas the "Tōkai region" is.  Here are some examples (I can provide many more links like this where prefecture listings are split up by region and the region listing includes Tōkai but not Chūkyō):
 * 3) *Goo maps
 * 4) *Yahoo Japan maps
 * 5) *List of regional "Super Mapple" atlases (list is at the bottom of the page).
 * 6) The "Google test" confirms it. On Japanese Google, "中京地方" returns only 18,000 results, compared with "東海地方" which returns 1,900,000 (about 105 times more).  On English Google, "Chukyo region" return 1,380 results, whereas "Tōkai region" returns 17,500 results (about 12 times more).  105 times more on Japanese Google says to me that the "Chūkyō region" is not a major sub-region of Japan.
 * 7) There is no "Chūkyō region" page on Japanese Wikipedia. After looking through the history of the article, there was a "Chūkyō region" (a unique article that didn't redirect to Tōkai) article that existed for only 9 months but it was renamed about 18 months ago to "中京圏" (Chūkyō Metropolitan Area) and has not been changed since which shows consensus.  Mention of a non-definable "Chūkyō region" is mentioned as a small footnote in the article.  Although it is not necessary for English Wikipedia to always mirror Japanese Wikipedia, I think it is advisable in this case because the fact that "中京地方" doesn't have its own article in Japanese Wikipedia speaks about its level of relative importance, and it certainly indicates that "Chūkyō" should not be included in the "Regions of Japan" template.

Thoughts? Manmaru (talk) 06:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There's been no discussion for a week here so I went ahead with this change. The content of this article has been moved to the Tōkai region article, but the redirect points to the Chūkyō Metropolitan Area, based on the Japanese Wikipedia.  References to the Chūkyō region in other articles have been re-linked to the Metro-area article, however in some cases like lists of the regions of Japan (including the top-level geography template), it has simply been removed or, if sensible, changed to Tōkai region. よろしくお願いします  Manmaru (talk) 04:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)