Talk:Cha Eun-woo

Cha Eunwoo as host at KCON Japan
I would like to know why that information has been removed from his article when it is important information in his career as an artist. On the stage where he performed as a solo artist and entertainer as a host he was in front of more than 30K people... and deleting that information only represents ignorance. 190.95.40.225 (talk) 23:57, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Listing of "model" as a profession
As per MOS:ROLEBIO, quote from ROLEBIO "noteworthy position(s) or role(s) the person held should usually be stated in the opening paragraph. However, avoid overloading the lead paragraph with various and sundry roles; instead, emphasize what made the person notable. Incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that are not integral to the person's notability) should usually not be mentioned in the lead paragraph".

The purpose of this discussion is to establish if "model" as a profession for the subject with endorsements
 * 1) is a "noteworthy position(s) or role(s)" to "be stated in the opening paragraph".
 * 2) should be listed in the infobox and lead as it is NOT considered as a "sundry role".
 * 3) should be listed in the infobox and lead as it is NOT a "incidental and non-noteworthy roles (i.e. activities that ARE integral to the person's notability)".

The response should be civil, concise, and should only address the 3 questions asked. If your response is a Yes-response, please provide WP:THREE reliable sources to support your rationale.

The current revision restored by IP contains "model" in the lead and as per WP:STATUSQUO, I have tagged the content with Under discussion inline in this this edit and added hidden note in this edit after the inline template was removed without any explanation by the same IP.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Ping @Explicit, @SnowKang, @EN-Jungwon who reverted the IP edits concerning this discussion topic.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  06:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm incline to agree with Paper9oll's argument as I can't find any reliable source(s) that defines Cha Eun-woo as a model.  98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂  •  [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]   13:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/06/k-pop-and-fashion-male-idols-who-walked-fashion-runways 2001:448A:20A0:632:9553:6298:2E61:ECF2 (talk) 23:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: Unreliable source as per WP:KO/RS  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  01:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, how about this one:
 * https://sbsstar.net/article/N1006054018/video-astro-cha-eunwoo-makes-debut-as-a-runway-model 2404:C0:5C60:0:0:0:D0F:392C (talk) 05:50, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * how about the official youtube channel of Seoul Fashion Week:
 * https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WL02LE7hJ_Q 2404:C0:5C60:0:0:0:D0F:392C (talk) 06:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Based on your reply, you are implying that "model" as a profession is indeed a "incidental and non-noteworthy roles that ARE NOT integral to the person's notability) to "be stated in the opening paragraph" by providing sources that indicates such, in fact thanks for providing such evidence that further supports the policies.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * No, that's your word. I just try to show Cha Eun-woo is indeed a model as shown/acknowledged by Seoul Fashion Week official yt.
 * This additional model role is added to show the person is multi-talented.
 * Check other wiki entry of Nam Jo-Hyuk or Byeon Woo-Seok. They are also listed as Actor and Model. Everybody knows they are actors, nobody knows they are models.
 * When did they last walking the runway?
 * Why put model on their opening paragraph and not Cha Eunwoo?
 * Just try to be consistent. 2001:448A:20A0:632:A480:1591:AEE2:6D79 (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You provided the sources, NOT me, to prove your point. Unfortunately, you didn't bother checking the source first hence in turn "shot yourself in the foot". Additionally, your further comments indicate that you might not fully understand the rationale and the purpose of this discussion. Bringing in two examples without verifying the differences further "shoots yourself in the foot". This back-and-forth exchange with you specifically is not leading anywhere productive. This could be due to a language barrier and/or other unknown factors, making this a circular discussion at this point. Therefore, any further conversation is pointless.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  12:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Billboard lists cha eun-woo as a model https://www.billboard.com/lists/best-k-pop-albums-2024-so-far/zerobasone-you-had-me-at-hello/ Jadnjdas (talk) 07:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm just going to repeat what I saw in another article: being a celebrity with endorsements doesn't make you a model. - Ïvana (talk) 13:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that celebrity with endorsement is not a model, but if someone has already on the runway of fashion show he/she is definitely a model 2001:448A:20A0:632:9553:6298:2E61:ECF2 (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I support Paper9oll's position here Cha Eun-Woo is not notable by being a model and should not refered to as one in the opening paragraph. It is further supported by MOS:ROLEBIO that Paper9oll cites. Lightoil (talk) 16:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't get why I'm summoned here via talk page, but if I were to comment, Cha is an actor and singer who merely takes model's job as a secondary gig, which happens all the time with actors to be noteworthy. The person above brought in a news about Cha showing up in Seoul Fashion Week, but it's a merely a single-time stunt at reality TV show, not permanent. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 11:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How do you know it's secondary?
 * Do you know how much he earn from modeling (Dior, Dior Beauty, Chaumet, Sketchers, Giordano, etc) vs actor vs singer? 2404:C0:2020:0:0:0:191E:1413 (talk) 10:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * https://www.malemodelscene.net/magazines/mmscenes-top-5-cha-eun-woo-covers/
 * They said model Cha Eunwoo 2001:448A:20A0:A469:A480:1591:AEE2:6D79 (talk) 12:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There are a few other k-celebs, e.g. lee min-ho and suzy who are listed as a model due to having a lot of endorsements on their wikipedia. just wondering why you aren't allowing it for cha? 203.166.229.207 (talk) 05:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Paper9oll. There is no evidence supporting that he is a professional model, so it should be removed. Until there is official confirmation of his modeling career, it shouldn't be listed. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 03:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Paper9oll. There must be a significant evidence they have a notable fashion model career - something more than trivial appearances. Do they appear in multiple shows? Do they have critical reviews of their runway appearances? Evaders99 (talk) 09:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)