Talk:Chadian–Libyan War

Toyota War
I think the #Toyota War section has enough content to be split off into its own article, like what's been done to Opération Epervier and #Opération Epervier. It would certainly help with the length. Do others agree? Picaroon 19:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion Picaroon, it seems a great idea to me, and when I've finished the article I'll certainly create Toyota War. Have you any ideas to give me? I would really appreciate some criticism!--Aldux 22:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The textual content is certainly well-written and well cited. But the visual content is lacking. Images, even if they aren't completely on topic (like, say, one of Deby or Qaddafi just standing around) would make it look better - and easier to read. Also, a map showing the path of the advance and retreat of Libyan forces might help. I'll go check Commons to see if anything looks like it'll be useful. Picaroon 22:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added an image, but there are two problems. One, the colors are a bit garish. Two, the rest of the article seems very unbalanced, because it has no images. Commons searches under "libya," "chad," and "aozou" didn't yield very much. I'll check articles on the politicians involved and see if the have anything. Picaroon 22:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Conflict?
Why is it called "conflict"? Wasn't it a war?

62.152.110.130 (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Lead
The lead could do with some work, but I don't know where to start :| - Francis Tyers · 14:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistent dates?
I am somewhat mystified by '' beginning with the extension of the Chadian Civil War to northern Chad in 1968. '' 87.112.88.209 19:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not responsible for that title. What is agreed by consensus among Chadianists is that the civil war erupted in 1965 with the Mangalmé riots and the foundation of the FROLINAT in 1966. What is pretty confusing is not when it started, but when it ended; various dates have been given, the most common being 1987, 1990 and 1993.--Aldux 20:06, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Images
I think if there are some more ilustration this article can become featured article.--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 19:25, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

France losses
Why the Jaguars lost are not in the losses table. Same for Zaire Mirage 5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.165.242.55 (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Result
I do not want an edit war to happen so I will address the results of the battle here. The Chadian-Libyan war encompasses many battles like the Battle of Fada, Battle of Aouzou, Second Battle of N’Djamena and many others. Within the territorial results it just seems to include the same as the Toyota War, however considering this is a long conflict we should acknowledge the other parts. We must acknowledge that it is true that Libya had occupied all of Chad and had occupied the Aouzou Strip. If we analyse the battle we can also see that originally the Libyan leader simply wanted the government to be toppled which did happened in the 1990 Chadian Coup. TheHistorian100 (talk) 19:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for your assumption? The sources currently listed in this article are fairly certain that the war was a major Libyan defeat. Applodion (talk) 00:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * When we mention the Chadian-Libyan war, we must understand that it is in reference to every battle and operation that took place. We both agree that the Libyans were defeated at one point by the Chadians; however, this page does not show a good representation of what happened throughout the whole conflict. Even in the "Territorial changes" section, we are only shown that at the end of the conflict, Chad regains control. Contrary to this, we must acknowledge the other events that took place during this long conflict. These events include
 * - Second Battle of N'Djamena
 * - Operation Manta
 * - Battle of Aouzou
 * - Battle of Fada
 * - Etc
 * It is more coherent to add all the events that took place during the conflict in contrast to just the ending. TheHistorian100 (talk) 16:58, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Again: Do you have sources calling this a Libyan victory? Per WP:OR, we cannot just draw our own conclusions, but have to follow reliable sources such as scholarly books. And all sources I have seen so far call this a Libyan defeat. Applodion (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You blatantly disregarded what I said. We are not drawing our own conclusions we are simply looking at the war as a whole, in contrast to cherry-picking one specific event. The reliable sources you claim are scholarly books never claim that the “Chadian-Libyan War” as a whole is a Libyan defeat, however says there were times where the Libyans were defeated. I looked over the sources again and most of them do not assert such a reference, they actually help my case by going through every single event that happened throughout the war. The reliable sources you’re referring to are in mention to the last events of the war . TheHistorian100 (talk) 02:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * "The reliable sources you claim are scholarly books never claim that the 'Chadian-Libyan War' as a whole is a Libyan defeat" - actually, they do. Applodion (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Which specifically? If you have time to quote them. TheHistorian100 (talk) 18:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Some examples: Jonathan K. Zartman in Conflict in the Modern Middle East outright states "[talking about Khalifa Haftar] He also led Libyan forces in the Chadian-Libyan War (1978–1987). However, Chad defeated the Libyan forces and captured him"; Alison Pargeter describes the entire war as a Libyan defeat in Chapter 5 of Libya: The Rise and Fall of Qaddafi; in Kenneth Michael Pollack's Arabs at War: Military Effectiveness, 1948-1991, 1987 was described as "final Libyan defeat" made possible due to Chadian efforts stemming to 1985/86. Libya: Continuity and Change and A History of Modern Libya also describe the entire Libyan intervention as a failure and "humiliating defeat". Applodion (talk) 23:24, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

"Borderlands" claim
Surely there should be some mention of Libya's claim over what it called the Borderlands region? This included the Aouzou Strip and much of northern Chad. For sources go to Libya–Chad Territorial Dispute case. ThatRandomGuy1 (talk) 22:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add this context to the article. Applodion (talk) 10:41, 16 October 2023 (UTC)