Talk:Chaeyoung (Twice)

Started a new article - somewhat accidentally
I started the Chaeyoung article thinking that i was the first person to do so. I've now realised that there was previously an edit war over whether this article should exist, and that people had attempted to create this article prior to me. Perhaps this space should be left open for a couple of weeks to discuss this? I can't see why Chaeyoung shouldn't have an article. Twice is by far, the most successful, k-pop girl group of all time...and the majority of Twice's members have their own articles. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 18:30, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Being just a member of the group, no matter how popular, does not warrant notability by itself, nothing in the article suggests that she is notable for anything outside of group, and all the sources you used (kpop profiles, koreaboo, korea channel, allkpop...) are crap and far from reliable. And this is your biased opinion that they are "by far" the most succesfull, they are actually behind blackpink and SNSD in terms of success and the peak popularity. Snowflake91  (talk) 19:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * It's not my personal opinion. Twice is the most successful (aka highest selling) korean girl group of all time by a mile. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * That doesnt make persons in the group notable by itself. Absolutely nothing in the article suggests WP:GNG, you included only her Sixteen appearance and being a member of the group. For the start, replace every single source with a reliable one, and those sources must cover Chae in depth to pass WP:GNG, not some trivial mentions. Something like this or this. Snowflake91  (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure i necessarily agree with you, but i will improve the article and add in more sources nonetheless. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 20:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Use draft first, something like Draft: Chaeyoung – you can freely edit and improve this draft Snowflake91  (talk) 21:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks, will do. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 21:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I thought I should update the talk page here just to say that I now agree that the article isn't notable enough at present to publish. And that editors should see Draft: Chaeyoung and Draft talk:Chaeyoung for the latest versions and discussions. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 23:48, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * I recreated the article noting that all eight other members of TWICE have their own english language wikipedia pages, and it doesn't make sense for Chaeyoung not to have one at this point in time. Pardon me, I did not see the talk page before writing the article. Appariently (talk) 02:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I've tagged this for notability because there is no evidence here today of WP:GNG. Just because the band is notable doesn't mean every member is. Evaders99 (talk) 03:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I think her large amount of songwriting credits and the simple fact that every other member of her group has a Wikipedia page despite the fact that some other members barely meet the notability criteria is grounds enough for her to have a page Appariently (talk) 23:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * She writes songs for her own group. That's basically it, plenty of idols do that. It doesn't really mean she's notable as a songwriter. Does she write for any other group? WP:OTHERSTUFF is generally not an argument to include something. We should definitely question the notability of other members who barely meet such criteria. Evaders99 (talk) 04:10, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Revisiting this issue, there is evidence of Chaeyoung's notability. She has been covered as an individual by a few secondary sources. I've commenced this discussion on Draft_talk:Chaeyoung Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 17:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Time to publish?
Since my post: Draft talk:Chaeyoung, no one has actually argued that Chaeyoung does not meet GNG. Chaeyoung has received coverage from a number of sources, that were not used/published/known about in previous discussions: If no one actually still believes that Chaeyoung does *not* meet GNG, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't WP: be bold and copy+paste Draft: Chaeyoung into Chaeyoung. So I'm providing this opportunity for people to object. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 13:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Tempo
 * GQ
 * Elite Daily
 * Korea Herald
 * Korea Herald 2
 * IBT India
 * SCMP
 * IDN times
 * IBT Singapore
 * Straits Times
 * La Republica
 * Later edit - this source too: La Republica 2


 * They all look like routine press releases/tabloid trivia articles to me. Nothing shows "significant coverage" in my eyes. The question remains, why is she independently notable? Is it because she has a stalker and reads English books....? Evaders99 (talk) 21:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, no one writes articles about me when I read English books, so yeah...I'd say that those sources would suggest she is a notable and a popular entertainer. In any case, you ignored sources like GQ, Elite Daily, Korea Herald 2, and Tempo. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 13:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * More sources: NBC sports, oddly enough and La Republica, new article. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 10:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)