Talk:Chaga people

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They are known as the Jews of Tanzania.
 * Please provide a good citation for this claim. --Viriditas | Talk 10:39, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Population
Can a source be cited for the recent change of the population number from 800,000 to 2,000,000? &mdash; mark &#9998; 18:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

2 million is not a tribe
Tribe seems to apply to Africa, but never to Europe, how can 2 million people be a tribe.?--217.42.172.17 (talk) 10:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

wachaga
Dear, I would like to know why wachaga were called so, where did the name originate from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.222.56.185 (talk) 09:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Missing information on the (former) rites of initiation
The article contains close to no information on the Chaga's ancient rites of initiation, such as the famous anal plugging of males (or much rather, the roles and treatment of excrement amongst the genders in general). One potential source could be O. F. Raum's "Chaga Childhood", first published in 1939; its chapter "Female Initiation among the Chaga" is freely available here. -- 91.11.196.116 (talk) 17:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

File:Chaga hut noadj.jpg to appear as POTD soon
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Notable chaggans image
In the Notable Chaggans section, there's an image depicting several unnamed people with the caption "Various Notable Chaggans". Well, who are they? There's no further description, also on the image description page... Gestumblindi (talk) 03:55, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Dubious unsourced claims about extensive economic development and coffee growing during German colonial times?
Currently reads as "These developments parallel the major political reorganization effectuated by colonization and the fundamental change in the local economy. Long-distance trade became a European monopoly. Coffee growing spread rapidly over the mountain. This general economic transformation was well under way when the colonial government passed from German hands into those of the British in 1916."

This appears to directly conflict with the sourced paper "A COLONIAL DILEMMA: BRITISH POLICYAND THE COLONIAL ECONOMY OF TANGANYIKA 1918-1938" at https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/112143

"Within Tanganyika the case of the Chagga indicated the problems of the native reserve. The tribe had been crowded onto the upper slopes of Kilimanjaro by land alienations in German times, and were thus formed into an unofficial but effective reserve by the European farms on the lower slopes. The Chagga proved unsuitable for plantation labour on the damp and humid plains and the tribe was short of land and under-employed by local settlers. They formed the threat of an "idle discontented population" poised above the areas of greatest European settlement. In the interest both of security and state revenues, the senior District Commissioner Charles Dundas encouraged the cultivation of arabic coffee by the Chaggaas a means of binding the cultivator to the soil and providing an outlet for "legitimate aspirations". Arabica coffee was a settler crop in East Africa andlocal settlers protested strongly to the administration and to the Colonial Office. The latter dismissed the settlers as "mostly Greeks". The Tanganyika administration had little choice. Coffee was the only lucrative cash crop that could be grown on the limited areas in the mountains. Its cultivation was a sure means of involving the Chagga in the colonial economy and maintaining the authority of the colonial state. The quest for security took precedence over the protests of settlers."

Chagga or Chaga?
Both spellings are used in the article. Wouldn't it be better to just use one or the other? Martin Liversage (talk) 08:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * CHAGGA is the right one. But also its not a problem using the other. 197.186.4.214 (talk) 10:59, 19 March 2024 (UTC)