Talk:Chain of Command (Star Trek: The Next Generation)

Doublethink
What the torturer asks Picard to do is basically doublethink. Should there be a link of some sort to Doublethink? Mercruz (talk) 10:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS
PICARD: You are six...years old...weak..and helpless...you cannot...hurt me!

CARDASSIAN: How many?

And then, Picard says something that might be a quote from Shakespeare. Does anybody know what is is??


 * From the script: PICARD'S VOICE (singing in some desperation) Sur le pont... d'Avignon... on y danse... on y danse... It's a french song, see Sur le pont d'Avignon

Thank you. I appreciate that. Chesty95 02:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
As of now it's entirely original research. nadav 06:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * On the contrary- the episode itself is a reliable source for the article. I'm not saying that the article couldn't be improved with a rewrite, but I disagree that it's all OR. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 09:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Specifically the comparisons to 1984 and Brazil. This isn't the place for original literary analysis. I'm at least removing that part.  nadav

As the 1984 reference is still there, I was going to add a footnote regarding Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew, in which Petruchio kidnaps and imprisons Katherina and subjects her to sleep deprivation, starvation, and other unpleasantness until she freely admits the moon is the sun and the sun is the moon. Obviously Shakespeare predates Orwell, but as there is some controversy regarding literary analysis and torture discussions, I'll keep my hands off except to say I believe more is better, analysis and discussion should be encouraged, and it's a credit to everyone involve with Star Trek: The Next Generation that the series generates such lively interest sixteen years after its final episode first aired. Bravo. Leishalynn (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Political Vandalism
Corrected unneccessary political statement, as what is currently considered to be a part of US and British law is not relevant for a wikipedia summary of the article. --Zenten (talk) 15:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it vandalism? It is stylistically consistent with other Wikipedia articles about the situations Picard finds himself in. Therefore, characterizing what happens in this episode as torture is an NPOV violation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.139.169 (talk) 19:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Other Wikipedia articles could be wrong as well. Original research is original research.Lots42 (talk) 14:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Gaslighting
Perhaps this article should link to the one on Gaslight / Gaslighting ... This seems to correspond to the form of psychological abuse / torture that Picard faces? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.202.213 (talk) 01:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Amnesty International
I read/heard somewhere, shortly after these episodes aired, that Patrick Stewart watched some Amnesty International videos about political prisoners, in preparation for the role. Does anyone have a source for this? --204.246.229.130 (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

1984 reference
"(This is in reference to the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell where Winston Smith's torturer holds up four fingers and wishes Winston to believe that he is holding up five.)"

- This is in error. Winston is asked what 2+2 is and told that it is 5, not 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.197.141.106 (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It is not in error.


 * From Part 3, Chapter 2:


 * 'Do you remember,' he went on, ' writing in your diary, "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four"?'


 * 'Yes,' said Winston.


 * O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.


 * 'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?


 * 'Four.'


 * 'And if the party says that it is not four but five — then how many?'


 * 'Four.'


 * The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Winston's body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O'Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended.


 * 68.14.8.88 (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Source for later expansion
There is an interview with David Warner about playing Gul Madred here. Miyagawa (talk) 21:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Original link is dead but the Wayback Machine has copies. -- 109.76.205.45 (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wrong Term
"Removed From Command" is used for disciplinry reasons. He was relieved in a proper ceremony (that doesn't happen in disciplinry matters), the proper term would have been "relieved by Adm. JELICOTE." (I don't actually care, since all this did was prove once again how incompetent wikipedia is.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.10.167.226 (talk) 13:44, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * And instead of fixing it, you wrote a post in the talk page and complained about Wikipedia being incompetent. You know Wikipedia is written by people from the general public who are knowledgeable about the subject and capable of making the necessary changes, right? In other words - you. So yes, "Wikipedia" appears to be incompetent in this case...
 * I'll make the change, but next time, you don't need to be afraid to make it yourself. Jerodast (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Stewart and Warmer.
It says they worked together on Helmet in 1965 and Warner praised the young Stewart. Patrick Stewart is actually the elder of the two of them so more context would help. 84.71.36.28 (talk) 17:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)