Talk:Channel 5 (British TV channel)

"TV Network"
Why is it referred to in the title as a "network"? Network television is the model that America uses, where a company (a "network") like CBS or NBC produces shows, then franchises out the right to broadcast them to thousands of little tiny TV stations with names like WANK-69 or WFUK-420.

We don't have networks in Britain. Channel 5 is only one TV station, covering the whole entire country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A442:581E:1:1CA9:FC8F:36FD:30DF (talk) 22:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Move request
The page should be Channel 5 and not Channel 5 (UK).I want (UK) to be cut out of the article name because they only have the channel in the UK so it's not like they have the channel anywhere else so the pages name should be called Channel 5.If the channel was created in the USA then (UK) could be at the end of it but they only have the channel in the UK so it's not like (UK) should be at the end of it.(I do not have an account so I don't have a signature). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.174.106 (talk) 12:19, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * But there are other Channel 5, Channels around the world see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_5 --Crazyseiko (talk) 17:42, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * (NB, the IP does not have an account because his account has been indef blocked, see Sockpuppet_investigations/Davebrayfb/Archive.) JohnInDC (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Re-brand, channel name
The info box states that there was an interim name of "Channel Five" from 2010-11 but the main text and citations contradict this and suggest that it was changed to "Channel 5" in 2010 but that the change was not officially unveiled until 2011. --Neil W (talk) 11:41, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Viewing figures
Are we not counting football broadcasts as 'shows' in the viewing-figures table? An England Euro 2000 qualifier got 4.38m on 14 October 1998. --Neil W (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

"Most watched programmes" list inaccurate?
Various dates and figures appear to be incorrect. For instance, the list states that the film "Men in Black" was shown on 10 December 2006 and received 4.32 million viewers, however, BARB shows that the film shown was "Men in Black II" and it received 3.91 million viewers. "Celebrity Big Brother" only received 5.27 million viewers, whereas the list states that it received 5.57 million viewers. I presume there are various other errors too. BlookerG (talk) 15:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I notice the list has the Rock in 5th and the X-Files in 6th, but the figures suggest the former had 0.05 million fewer viewers than the latter. Is the order wrong or are the figures? Dunarc (talk) 15:20, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Channel 5 Rebrand coming in 2015
Here's the source: http://www.digitaltveurope.net/340752/mtv-uk-chief-to-rebrand-channel-5/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.217.184.87 (talk) 07:17, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

launched in 1997?
But there is video on youtube with Channel 5 Logo, dating 1986: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j0flwxw0Vo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.154.68.230 (talk) 04:21, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * That logo must be from a different company, listed as "Channel 5 Video Distribution" in Channel 5, whose 1987 releases seem to have included at least one "Thunderbirds" VHS. I would suggest that something(s) should be done to this article to reduce the chance of any confusion between the two companies.  Perhaps the first thing would be adding a link at the top to the disambig page?  Open4D (talk) 03:29, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Outrageous website terms
The "Terms of Use" at Channel 5's website are outrageous. I would link to them so that you can see for yourselves, but they actually prohibit people from doing so! And I don't want to take the risk that I might be deemed to have agreed to the terms. Here's the relevant excerpt: "... and you must not link or “deep-link” to any page beyond our home page without our express written permission.". Now, this Wikipedia article currently does not have any such 'deep links', only a couple of links to the home page. So that means we're safe, right? Nope! Here's the preceding sentence: "You must not establish a link to our home page in any website that is not owned by you". So whichever person added those home page links to this article would be in violation of the Terms of Use (unless that person happens to be the owner of Wikipedia), if they were bound by those terms. This is a £450 million company; how did they think they were going to get away with this nonsense! Anyway, fellow editors, you have been warned; don't give them any legal leverage over you. Open4D (talk) 03:50, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited (TV Network)
Channel 5 (UK) (TV Channel) needs a TV Network page creating called Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited (TV Network) or Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd (TV Network)

BBC One (TV Channel) has BBC Television (TV Network) ITV (TV channel) has ITV (TV network) Channel 4 has Channel Four Television Corporation (TV Network) and Sky One has Sky UK (TV Network)... So why isn't there a Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited page dedicated to the network like all the other flagship British channels which are named after their Networks/Companies?

I've just noticed that someone changed the ownership name a few months ago from Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd to Viacom International Media Networks which is technically correct as they do own Channel 5 (UK), and now someone has added all the other channels owned by Viacom International Media Networks which have literally nothing to do with the Channel 5 (TV Network).

You can't blame them for their mistakes when the flagship Channel 5 (TV Channel) is mixed together with the Channel 5 (TV Network).

The company name for the British Channel 5 (TV Network) is still Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited (even though it's owned by Viacom), and the only channels on that network are Channel 5 (UK), 5Select, 5Star, 5USA, 5Spike and Paramount Network (UK & Ireland).

It has nothing to do with MTV, Nickelodeon BET, VH1, Comedy Central or any of the other channels owned by Viacom!

If I had experience in creating pages I'd do it myself, but I don't. So could someone out there either create a separate page for the Channel 5 (British TV Channel) or Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited (TV Network) (whichever's easiest), so this doesn't happen again in future?

Danstarr69 (talk) 18:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This really isn't the right way to use the help me request, since you're making more of an edit request (but we don't have a specific template for that). There are about 130 people watching this page, so it's likely someone will see it, but if not you should maybe try posting at the Teahouse or WT:BTVC. Primefac (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 5 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure)  NNADI GOOD LUCK  ( Talk &#124; Contribs ) 03:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Channel 5 (UK) → Channel 5 (British TV network) – Per Naming conventions (broadcasting) and this RfC, the correct disambiguation for this article would be "(British TV network)". Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 5 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Support as an obvious application of the guideline. And before anybody panics, Channel 5 (UK) will still exist as a redirect, so links won't be broken upon moving to the correctly disambiguated title. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:21, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Is it a network or is it a single station with national coverage?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:51, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * A single station throughout its history (coverage in the early years was not nationwide but this was for operational reasons). The UK doesn't have a US-style network & affiliate set-up and here "network" mainly refers to the ITV structure (and occasional attempts to beef up the standing of BBC regions & nations) with everything else a "channel". Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Move to Channel 5 (British TV channel) as is the disambiguation used for many UK articles. --  AxG /  ✉  15:07, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Both you and Georgia guy make good points – in this context, Channel 5 (British TV channel) is likely the better choice, and I'll support that option. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:06, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I also have no problem with this. Sometimes people argue these are networks and other times these are channels. The lead says Channel 5 is a British free-to-air television network [...] and was the fifth national terrestrial analogue network, while at the same time the article is in Category:Television channels and stations established in 1997. This is an endemic problem with channel, network and station articles that should one day really be solved. If you know better and say it's a channel, I'll follow your lead. --Gonnym (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Channel 5 (British TV channel) - this is more closely reflects the terminology as actually used in the UK. Timrollpickering (Talk) 14:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Channel 5 (British TV channel) as per Tim. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:33, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Rename to Channel 5 (British TV channel). We don't use the term "TV network" in the UK. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:46, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


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Did a marketing executive write this page
The entire tone and content of this article reads like something spat out by a marketing department. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.205.51 (talk) 12:34, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 16 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) NW1223&lt;Howl at me&bull;My hunts&gt; 20:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

– (TV network) is the standard disambiguator per WP:NCBC for a business entity which produces/controls content across a network of several individual customer-facing channels: the same-named flagship broadcast channel (covered in Channel 5 (British TV channel) programming), its HD and timeshifted channels, as well as its sister channels like 5Action, 5Star, etc. One way to easily distinguish that this Channel 5 is a network is based on the fact that its website (https://www.channel5.com/) covers these multiple channels. The other option would be to rename the network article to Channel 5 Broadcasting as WP:NATURALDAB. -- Netoholic @ 17:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Channel 5 (British TV channel) → Channel 5 (British TV network)
 * Channel 5 (British TV channel) programming → Channel 5 (British TV channel)

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 * Oppose on two grounds, the fact that this is one of three cases of forum shopping around a pending RfC (here) and the rejection of a network disambiguator in the 2020 RM. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 02:07, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Opppose per the three last points on the previous RM. The current naming of those affected pages are fine with me as they are. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 14:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Channel 5 predominantly refers to the channel. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the business organization, or the customer-facing stream of content? Your comment is worded like this is a primary topic discussion, when actually its about the scope of two articles and whether their titles properly describe their scope. -- Netoholic @ 23:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Channel 5 generally refers to the single channel, not the "network" (although the latter is not a term generally used in the UK). The programming article is fine as it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 00:27, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll ask what should be an easy: What is the name of the business organization which produces the singular "Channel 5" channel and what is the Wikipedia page about that business organization? -- Netoholic @ 07:04, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Too Much Detailed Information in Some Sections
Some sections of this article, including for example <> are excessively detailed and far too long, especially given that there are various separate Main articles, eg: Channel 5 (British TV channel) programming covering this information more fully. I think this article could & should be reduced in size as much information is covered elsewhere on Wikipedia. 95.150.59.238 (talk) 13:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Splitting proposal Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd

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The result of the discussion was Split. RESULT. User:Chandos1 2023-03-14

I propose splitting Channel 5 (British TV channel) & Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd into two separate pages. As shown by ITV vs ITV1 & Channel Four Television Corporation vs Channel 4, direct comparables that would agree with me, there should be two different pages - one for the television channel, Channel 5, and one for the parent company owned by Paramount, Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd, and they should not be the same page.

for example - see this link https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Channel_5_Broadcasting_Limited&oldid=1142268412

* Support –  Chandos1 (talk) 02:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC) * Oppose –  Chandos1 (talk) 02:16, 7 March 2023 (UTC)


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