Talk:Channel 5 (British TV channel)/Archive 1

Five or five?
Is it Five or five? Marnanel 18:33, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Although their on-air and online branding is "five", their website's page is headed "about Five" so I conclude our usage is correct! -- Arwel 20:36, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * Their website almost exclusively uses "five" now, I've updated the article to use the lowercase name. Tom- 14:09, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * This question was responded to in the FAQ section on Five's website, here. In keeping with that answer, their website (and that of RTL Group) refer to both the channel and the broadcaster, in non-branded text, as "Five". The word "five" is used on their website where their branding style is applied (headlines, titles, etc), and every word (in similar headlines or titles) is exclusively lower case. RobWill80 03:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I might move the article to .five sometime this week if that's all right with you. This move will be as close as we can get until one of those lazy developers starts working on allowing initial small letters in the article namespace. Scott Gall 10:10, 2005 Mar 27 (UTC)
 * I don't think .five is as good as Five (channel), as it's pretty well-known that wikipedia articles begin with a capitalised letter, and the initial full-stop is an addition to the name rather than a simple alteration to it.  Let's leave it here, unless there is a consensus among more than a handful to move it to .five.  (No vote re: moving the article). User:Pedant 19:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose - RTL Group refer to the channel as "Five" through their official documents, "five" is used for branding. As far as I am aware, we should keep to the way that it is written officially, in this case, as "Five". Using ".five" would be a terrible idea, as it would go against Wikipedia guidelines on naming conventions, plus ".five" is never used by RTL and would be incomprehensible and incorrect to the casual reader. --tgheretford (talk) 20:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Words vs. Numerals
Do TV logos follow any set rules on whether to use a word or a numeral for a number?? Channel 4's logo is the numeral; this logo is the word. 66.32.255.51 02:32, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Of course not, it's entirely up to each channel's marketers and management to determine what the logo is. Five's old logo was a numeral 5 within a circle, now it's the word. Things change. -- Arwel 02:47, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * What year did the logo change from a numeral to a word?? 66.32.255.51 02:48, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * September 2002. See The TV Room. -- Arwel 02:53, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

An unusual word
The word five in this case, according to this article, is an unusual word in that it is never capitalized even when it begins a sentence. Are words like this common?? 66.32.249.42 02:38, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

On this article's title
I have just moved the article back to "Five (TV)" from "Five (TV network)" where someone (apparently US resident) moved it over the Christmas break, because a) it's not a network -- it's a single station with national coverage, and b) there are a hell of a lot of broken double redirects from this article's previous incarnations as "Channel Five", "Channel 5", etc. -- Arwel 19:28, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Robot Wars
The section on Robot Wars is extremely long for such a minor issue - any one upset if I chop it down, or does it have relavance that I'm missing? Tompagenet 09:43, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I added it as it was one of five's more recent ventures, and it did cause a lot of upset amongst both roboteers and fans, mainly because some of them still can't get five. I've cut out the bit about broadcast dates, that seemed to be going around in circles. Robert Mc Cann

History
I've checked the history of several number articles from 3 to 13 and found out that the 5 (number) article's history originally appeared to be about this television network. Is this a habit many Wikipedians had back in late 2002?? (namely, to copy-paste one article title into another rather than moving it.) Georgia guy 01:46, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that was at least one, maybe two, complete rewrites of the wiki software ago. I can't remember how easy it was to actually move articles in those days. Anyway, we still hadn't settled on all the standard ways of doing things back then, when there were still quite a few fewer than 200,000 articles on en: ! -- Arwel 02:11, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing this out to us. I have shifted the revisions in question from the history of 5 (number) to the revision history of this article. - Mark 14:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Wrong title description
Above, it said:

This article's title is incorrect; the correct title is five, rather than the five (TV) that it originally said. Can anyone explain the reason in detail?? Georgia guy 23:16, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The "(TV)" is just a disambiguation from other usages of the word "Five". The reason the title is incorrect is because the MediaWiki software forces the use of a capital letter to start the title, i.e. "Five", when the actual name of the channel is "five". -- Arwel 00:55, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as indicated above in this talk page under the heading "An unusual word", this is a question I asked a while ago (prior to January 1, 2005, which is when I first logged on) that this can be categorized as. How come no one has answered this yet?? Georgia guy 00:57, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * It isn't just any word; it's a proper noun that isn't capitalized. To answer your question, the people who created the channel aren't capitalizing it because they don't feel like it, and I'm sure there are other channels that do that. Mike H 11:36, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

New question
What will happen if you write   at the top of this article?? Georgia guy 01:04, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Channel 5 still right??
Their website says "Channel 5" is still their corporate name although no longer their on-air brand. Any comments on editing this article?? Georgia guy 01:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Added legal name to company section. – Mr Weeble  Talk Brit tv 12:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

1999-2000 logo
Image:Channel5 Logo.jpg was definitely used from 1999 to 2000. The (5) logo did indeed last until 2002, but that incarnation of it (with the white background and the (5) at a slight angle) only lasted a year.

Technically the image is unneeded, as I created Image:Channel 5.png to show the 1997-2002 logo (based on ). But if it stays, then it should be changed to the correct date range of 1999 to 2000. BillyH 22:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Then, is there a separate logo for 2000-2002?? If so, why not upload it?? Georgia guy 22:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * There were two (one used from 2000-2002, the other in 2002 only). The trouble is it's hard to find good quality images of TV logos - the current 99-00 one was nabbed off a TV ident site, which is what most people do, but I've never been comfortable with the idea. The images are often too small, and can be quite blurry. It's things like I look for, which personally I think is better than what's currently at Channel5 Logo.jpg.  BillyH 00:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * According to TV-Ark the logo was from 2000 - 2003 when five changed its onscreen name and logo to the current name and logo
 * TV Ark also says the Channel 4 [4] logo was introduced in 1998, and UK Gold 2 started in 2000. All incorrect. BillyH 19:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Five gifted space
Didn't five actually get guarantied half a MUX at market rates by the government as opposed to gifted it (which is what I am lead to believe)? 88.106.236.242 15:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe they were gifted it, but I actually don't know for sure. They are guaranteed it due to their status as a national analogue terrestrial licencee, though - payment or no payment, whatever it may be. --Kiand 15:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Five US
Anyone know what Five US means?? Does US stand for United States?? Georgia guy 13:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it will showcase the broadcaster's American imports, such as the three CSI series'. There have been rumours that the channel will be called U5A. Marks87 12:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

NOTE: interestingly, the new digital terrestrial channels are making the same mistake as the original 5 launch - namely that they are much harder to tune to than ANY other channels on Freeview. Not sure of the technical reason for this on digital versus on analogue, but it hardly puts them in a good light after they already did this to people first time round. Anyone have any reasons?

The small "f"
Five has now capitalised the "F" on both satellite and DTT channel labels. Think its time to stop using it throughout the article? Clearly they now don't. --Kiand 14:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd officially refer to the channel as F ive My personal view is that as this article (and use of the Five name in subsequent articles) is not being used for the promotion of the channel (which would use "five"), the name should stay as the official stance of Five. --tgheretford (talk) 11:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The article keeps getting reverted to 'five' so I've added an "invisible" warning to editors ("The correct title for this channel is 'Five'. Do not change 'five' to lowercase.")-- Edits    AntzUK    Talk   16:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Name change??
Until recently, the article began with an infobox about Five, saying that its current name is Five and that its former name was "Channel 5" from 1997-2002". However, recently, someone wrote that the station was "five" from 2002-2006. Is this correct?? Georgia guy 00:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the channel's FAQ, it's called "Five" but is written as "five" when the HelveticaNeueLT font is used. So I agree that listing "five" under "formerly called" is misleading since it's still used; I'll remove it. -- Nick RTalk 01:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

NFL Live on Five
Anyone think it'd be important to mention something about channel five broadcasting live NFL on TV? I know it can be seen on Sky but this is I think the first time it's been live on Terrestrial TV. Anyone know anything about the deal between five and ESPN for this too happen either? Dangerhertz 01:18, 11 september 2006 (UTC)
 * I've no comment on whether the coverage is worthy of inclusion; it's not the first time NFL has been on UK terrestrial television, as Channel 4 showed some games (usually play-offs) live for much of the 1990s. Eludium-q36 15:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True, Channel 4 did show NFL live from the late 1980's --tgheretford (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

No sister channels
"multi-channel strategy" section is now out of date. it says "At present Five has no sister channels" which will be incorrect as soon as fivelife and fiveUS get launched. needs re-writing? 88.105.200.206 16:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC) blue_blade
 * Untrue as Five US and Five Life are not sister channels, sister channels are the same but with variacations such as BBC Two and BBC TwoW. -- London UK   |   talk  19:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited Article?
Now Channel 5 have launched Five Life and Five US, should the five (TV) article become solely devoted to the television channel "five", and a new article be produced for Channel 5 Broadcasting Limited? It seems a bit strange that Five, Five US and Five Life don't have a common "provider" article between them all, for example BBC One has the BBC article; BBC One is a channel and the BBC is the broadcaster and company behind it. I understand the same could be argued for Channel 4, and that such information could just be placed in the five (TV) article, but really there is a company behind all three with a different name. I suppose you could include information about formation, ownership, premisis etc, but no worries if it sounds stupid; I'd just like to learn about the company aswell! Marbles333 15:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking this too, I think it would really clean up the article. --Dee4leeds 20:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

POV
I've added a 'disputed neutrality' box to the article because it seems to have become infested with quite a lot of POV (and semi-literate) 'talking up' of the channel which I assume has been added by a Five employee, e.g. 'Five has also fronted itself at providing the best in drama'. (Incidentally, depending on the meaning of the novel phrasal verb 'to front oneself at', such a claim would appear preposterous to anyone who has watched this sub-tabloid turd of a channel.) I can't be bothered to trawl the article and remove all this stuff right now, but perhaps someone else can. Ben Finn 19:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I've edited this page a bit. I started it as I was involved in one of the re-tuning bids for the channel, so I know a bit about it.  Is the POV any better now? Briantist 19:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I've made it clear that the channel was licenced by the ITC, which was not clear. Five is supposed to be a 'public service broadcasting channel' :-0 Briantist 19:32, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have removed the POV as it seems OK now. Please restore it is there is anything not neutral now. Briantist 12:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem, this is on WP:CLEAN still, should I or someone remove it?Thinboy00 21:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)