Talk:Chap hop

Non-notable
Professor Elemental and Mr B have received coverage in mainstream publications (hence the footnote citing the Wall Street Journal) and are definitely notable. The others didn't seem to be, so I've taken them out.

Uploading home-made music videos to Youtube, and getting a few thousand views, is a noble pursuit :o)  but not a notable one - unless your work catches the eye of a major publication.

At best, identifying videos by such artists and linking to them from this article is original research; at worst, it's hijacking Wikipedia to promote unsigned bands that have largely gone unnoticed.

If you want to re-add any or all of them, please link to an appropriate source (e.g., a magazine, a newspaper - not a personal blog) citing the acts as examples of Chap Hop.Señor Service (talk) 19:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming your second paragraph refers to Sir Pikedevant. I assert that he is notable in that he attracted the notice and praise of several other steampunk notables, including chap-hop star Elemental. Also, in this case I believe linking directly to the video is entirely justified, as that is where the comments from said notables occur, and also where the artist discusses his inspiration.


 * I added the requested citation; as for the name you removed, I'll look for an appropriate source before re-adding it.Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 22:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for joining a discussion. As a general point, I think we should be guided by the Wikipedia guidelines on notability, and the guidance that web content isn't automatically notable because it's associated with a notable person - unless it's achieved notable coverage in its own right.


 * Perhaps the coverage of Sir Reginald Pikedevant in The Mary Sue (which has tens of thousands of Twitter followers) is enough to show notability? Citing that would be a good start, I'll try to find the url.


 * This is quite a stub of an article - given how much coverage Professor Elemental and Mr B have achieved, there's probably a lot that could be written about them? Señor Service (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Edits/removals
I removed the bit about Lord MontyJacques III because it had no citation. Feel free to restore it with one. I also removed "one hit wonder" because I don't believe that a Youtube video without a single attached constitutes a "hit". Happy to discuss.

I also feel that Poplock Holmes, etc., should probably go (but have left them in for now) because the only citations are blogs. Happy to discuss if people feel that the blogs in question are reliable third party sources but am surprised if they are. Am inviting comments before deleting. I've also left the "steampunk notables" in because Professor Elemental qualifies as notable in at least some sense, but feel the accolade is dubious and would ideally like to chat about it here.

Chap Hop itself has certainly achieved notable coverage - I would rather this article focussed on that (and discussed it in more detail) than trying to catalogue people who have uploaded videos to Youtube, because then we're getting into the territory of dubious notability. I like chap hop and feel it's a topic for a genuinely good article, so is anyone interested in starting a discussion about how to write one (and what should be included) here? Señor Service (talk) 22:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not one for glomming on every act that comes down the pike just because they happen to fit the genre, either. (I'm the one that gutted the main Steampunk article of all the cruft it had gathered recently.) I was just trying to help expand this stub a bit; I think it deserves it. I agree, the genre has gotten a lot of attention but little actual press, it seems. I know Lord MontyJacques has headlined some big cons and events including the big Gettysburg steampunk festival a couple of months back, but the press didn't pick up on any of it. Frustrating. Anyway, I'm more than happy to lend a hand here. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 00:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Good stuff :o) The Professor Elemental/Mr B feud attracted the attention of the Wall Street Journal, whose article includes some interesting background material ("the reason it's worked is that I'm not a comedian parodying hip-hop, I love hip-hop" - Mr B) - that's definitely worth a mention and could provide a meaty para (and it doesn't seem to be covered in depth in the articles for either of them).


 * I think part of the challenge is going to be finding "notable" (in Wiki terms) stuff to include beyond those two, who have plenty of third party sources. Otherwise, I guess it might be more sensible to flesh out the articles of Mr B and Professor Elemental. Señor Service (talk) 21:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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Photo
I don't know much about this, but perhaps an image from a major band, artist, or album from the movement would be beneficial as the lede pic. Adeeta (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)