Talk:Char Aznable

Full Frontal
Should we include a section for Frontal? I know he's not technically Char but he's more Char than the other 'clones' and he is a part of the Universal Century. Zero no Kamen (talk) 14:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that there should be an, at least, moderately detailed mention of the Unicorn Char. It might be best to wait until more information surfaces about the character however. If it comes down to him being a clone, then when the series wraps up he should be moved out of the legacy section and given his own section. At the time of me writing this talk, the article claims that Unicorn treats him no differently than Char Aznable and that is very correct based on what I've seen thus far. Traece (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Inspired by Darth Vader
I've heard a lot of claims that Char was inspired by Darth Vader, and it seems like a pretty reasonable hypothesis. Does anyone have any hard data on this and whether it's worth mentioning in the article?


 * I've only heard Char be compared to Vader once... and that was when a mainstream news website errorenously identified him as a 'Darth Vader like villain' whom Dice-K wanted to dress up as during his space flight... There realy isn't anything between the characters that you can compare... except that helmet, which actualy seemed to be standard optional equipment for all Zeon soldiers. --KefkaTheClown 20:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The mask isn't is it? --172.141.48.208 (talk) 18:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point, i think there is atleast a resemblance in this, after all both that great 'bads' were masking their unexpectable origins..--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is all purely incorrect speculation. Eventhough Tomino did admit the series had been influenced somewhat by Star Wars, the mask of Char Aznable is not inspired by Darth Vader.  In fact, Char's character design was by the same designer who designed the 1975 anime series Brave Raideen character designer, and it had also featured a masked archenemy in it. (Prince Sharkin) Raideen preceeds Star Wars Ep. IV, the very first movie and is impossible to be inspired by it.  Another fact is that the designer notes stated Char Aznable was designed in a very casual way, the director/series founder did not have much input in the character at first, and the designer simply used the older Raideen character as the basics to design a stereotype (at that time) robot anime villain character, it was even with some comedic intend as well from the designer.  The director accepted the character anyway and it was only until later that the designer took more information from the director and realised he made the big mistake of making the appearance comedic since the character was to be portrayed as a tragic antihero in the show but it was too late to change the design.  So it got nothing to do with Darth Vader at all.  —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  01:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Anyawy, it was a very sound character (just like the Zakus i would really have one(=)), not that different from DV in the action (inesorable, mysterious, damned foe), atleast somewhat.. maybe that, at the end, it was Lucas that one that copyed the other's ideas?--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's hardly the cse, anime was not that famous at the time and communication between Japan and America was not that easy as well. Human just got to the moon 8 years before that and that's no satelite TV at the time.  Also, when Raideen was on air in Japan, Star Wars was already in the middle of its production and Darth Vader was already designed.  Lucas did captured a lot of popular features and used it in SW, but the only relationship between the similar shows might be that they were produced in a similar time and similar minds think alike.  —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  00:56, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was the marvellous '70s, after all; but Star Blazers, Astroboy, Kimba are not myths, so i would not so sure about this, maybe it's casual at 99%, maybe not IMHO..--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 00:15, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Antagonist or Anti-hero?
I recently noticed that this article credits Char as being an antagonist all series. Now, I doubt this because he was also a protagonist in Zeta. Since he can, therefore, not be described as either one, I suggest refering to him as an Anti-Hero as he can be considered one at almost any point in time. I'm hesitant to make these changes, myself, so if anyone would like to, and, of course, if there is no opposition to such changes, I would encourage others to make this change--AEUG 09:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC).


 * I agree with your assessment that labeling Char as an antagonist is not accurate, especially because of his protagonistic role in Zeta. However, I'm not sure that "Anti-Hero" is the best way to describe him because I think Char Aznable is even more complicated than just that because his character develops so much from his introduction in Mobile Suit Gundam to his (apparent) demise in Char's Counterattack.  Anyway, I settled with making a change to "often one of the main antagonists" to honor his role in Zeta. Integrity168 09:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * i guess this is a little old, but personally i would think of him as an anti-villain —Preceding unsigned comment added by UltraMagnus (talk • contribs) 16:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It would be most accurate to call Char the archenemy of Amuro. Not only do their lives in combat revolve around each other, but by the time Char's Counterattack comes about Char's entire life is devoted to opposing Amuro. It's very difficult to label him as a protagonist or antagonist because of his archenemy ways. I suggest watching Char's Counterattack to fully understand his character. Traece (talk) 08:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Official name of Char Aznable's actual clone
His name (アフランシ・シャア) should be "Afranshia Char", or "Afransia Char"?? -- Red Kid 9:24 PM May 29, 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, either way seems to be ok, シ can be pronounced as both shi or si. What I do not understand is the a that comes after it(The Japanese pronounced as something like Afranshi instead of Afranshia) MythSearcher 00:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

This isn't regarding the name but, since Gaia Gear is considered to be non-canon, I don't think that we should list Afranshia Char as existing in the Universal Century.--71.245.245.54 21:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Athrun Zala a clone?
Athrun Zala is listed alongside Neo Lormoke. I fail to see how Athrun Zala is related. Could this be referring to Mue Le Flaga instead?


 * I am not sure but this is probably refering to Alex Dino in SEED-D having glasses like Quattro in Zeta. MythSearcher 05:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comparing Zala to Char was moreso an effort made by the gundam community to find a Char paralell in the first Seed series. Despite some strong paralells (namely the fact that the suits he inherits are always red, even when it doesn't seem likely that the suit was ment for him from the start...) to Char, Athrun is actualy more like Garma Zabi... Unfortinately, it seems Seed didn't realy have a Char-type character at all, despite certain costume choices that evoked his image.--KefkaTheClown 14:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

> He is never shown driving a car throughout his appearances.
He is driving a red convertible in Char's Deleted Affair.

Char Aznable Driving

Doesn't he drive a vehicle in the Texas Colony episodes? Or was that Lalah? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifnsman (talk • contribs) 01:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Edward Mass or Edouard Mass?
I think his second name should be Edouard because it was written in the Origin.

An image from Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin volumn 11—58.9.76.186 19:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No matter how I look at this picture, it is Edward, not Edouard. the w on there is just round on the bottom and the top is not linked and not an o. MythSearchertalk 03:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the bigger one. His name in Japanese "エドワゥ" can pronounced as ed-wa which be the same as Edouard. Anyway, sorry for my English. It's not my native language. :) –58.9.76.229 16:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If we take the picture seriously, it looks more like w or eu than ou. The right side of the letter is not closed, and the upper half seems to have more than just a line.  Edeuard and Edouard does not seem to have a wa pronounciation in it at all. MythSearchertalk 16:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Edouard is a French name that pronounced as Ed-war. For example, Edouard Monet.
 * The problem still lies in where the picture got an o or not. It is either a w with an artistic touch, or simply an e since the top part actually got lines and the right side is not closed.  Also, Edouard is pronouced ey-dwar by your link, and ey is pronounced like aid's ai, not ed. MythSearchertalk 02:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. look here. Edouard is the French form of Edward anyway. MythSearchertalk 02:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, It's not similar to w but it is o in handwriting style. Since we have different opinion about what that alphabet is, I'll stop to disturb you about this topic.

This is the kana for "Edward": エドワルド. Clearly different than how it's written in The Origin. I think it should be "Edouard" to deal with the lack of the hard consonant at the end. Not to mention that by Tomino's own definition "Sayla" and thus, "Edouard" would be French. ConkblockCity (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The official kana is エドワゥ, ends with wu instead of wa, which is not the same as Edouard either. In the Origin, which is NOT canon anyway, the o and u are unnaturally close to each other, which could just be a poorly or artistically written w.  There is no official English name yet, so I would suggest having both of these in if you insist, and have the Japanese katakana along with them to let readers decide. MythSearchertalk 20:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Orks of Warhammer 40,000
In the table top game, Warhammer 40,000 there are a race of bestial interstellar aliens who terrorize mankind. In addition to being everywhere mankind goes (in greater numbers) the orks have a well practiced belief that vehicles that bear a red paint job can travel faster than those not sporting red paint. I think the orks constant rivalry to human expansion and thier link with red vehicles being faster both could be drawn from Char. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ginocoolowski (talk • contribs) 00:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * per WP:OR it should have a WP:RS before being added into the article. Pretty much the same thing happened in the Disney movie Lilo and Stitch, Stitch ran from the mothership and the operator shouted "he took the red one!!!" and is faster and more agile.  Yet, no soucre, no inclusion. MythSearchertalk 06:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Another capcom character influenced by Char
I just noted that Protoman AKA Blues, has striking similarities to Char's alias Quattro Bajeena. Protoman visor has the same glare to it that Quattro's has, the same color scheme (red and blonde/yellow), and Protoman has a Gelgoog looking shield. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zer0styl3 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation
I think someone should add how his second name is pronounced.... especially given that it isn't said that much during the series —Preceding unsigned comment added by UltraMagnus (talk • contribs) 17:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Japanese pronunciation is given in the first section. The English pronunciation looks pretty straight forward. MythSearchertalk 17:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Char
Here in Italy is or was known as Maggiore Shea. The Zion's helmet was surely 'inspired' by Star wars, not to talk about the laser-knife (the weapons of Gundam). Zaku were well meant and round design, a far realistic 'mobile suit' than Gundam. In a real war, i bet they would win, rather than their white, fragile foe (just think about the lot of 'tiny pieces' that Gundam have, like antennas, air exhaust of whetever), they were, basically a legged-tank, the 'ultimate' body-soldier suit, while Gundam seems a sort of legged aircraft..

Char, basically, was a real snake, one of the best characterized 'bads' ever created for an anime. He strikes how, in the first episodes, he is so inesorable; Char/Shea displays an incredible skill to make dangerous and continous missions to defeat Gundam; and he displays a cynic attitude as well, just like his betrayed friend, the poor Garma Zabi. But, since Char is also an handsome boy, girls did not cared about is unloyality, i remember very well (school's time) they (even being just babies) already loved Char.. so the rule, if you are both SOB and handsome, then you'll have a lot of fans, even if you kill by millions..--Stefanomencarelli (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Casval & the real Char (Eye-color confusion)
I KNOW I saw the opposite in the show, and read the opposite on the articles of both Wikipedia & the Gundam Wiki...

The real Char had blue eyes, while the "fake" Char (Casval) had brown...but I know that there were a few coloring mistakes in some of the original Gundam & Zeta Gundam episodes, making Casval have blue eyes instead of brown.

I know that Afranshia Char was shown with brown eyes, and (whether or not the story he's from is canon) he is definitely Casval's clone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ifnsman (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Char's second Emblem
That may be just my opinion, but his second emblem looks like a combination of arabic letters and the communist symbol. Since it is actually bearing resemblance to both, should we note that?

77.188.231.10 (talk) 17:39, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If it is just your opinion, per WP:OR, we should not add it into the article. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 06:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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