Talk:Characterization/Archive 1

Literary Characterization
"For example, Leo Tolstoy's novels are widely regarded as having created complex believable characters." Can we get a source on this? Sounds awfully passive and unattributed. I left it in, but I don't think it's useful as it is. Mariko


 * May be best to delete the whole page?, as Fictional character covers it more thoroughly.Andycjp19th June 2004


 * Would a disambiguation page be useful here? There are now a total of 4 different uses of characterization listed. Alan Joe Skarda 15:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I'm not sure that the merge proposal is such a good idea. Certainly, the two articles could do with some editing in light of each other, but characterization is a distinct process from the analysis of character, and offers the potential for substantial further development. DionysosProteus 16:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above. I searched for this page specifically to be enlighted on the process of characterisation. [User:djknight82]] 15:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree with the idea of merging the topics. Characters move stories.  No characters, no stories.  Great characters, great stories.  The discipline of creating characters, characterization, is an honored skill among writers.  In teaching characterization, I start with Arthur and the Sword in the Stone.  Joseph Campbell told me that this story is deeply psychological and that the play of the characters in the mind determine the nature of the individual.  I believe he said that it might have been an early method of psychoanalysis.  In any case, it gets people cracking on developing complex characters with a lot of power. Dreamdissolve (talk) 03:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Another agreement with the above. Link the articles together however you wish, but characterization really should have independent treatment, and I think that is best done in an article where it stands as its own headword. -- Beckersc0t 14:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Characterisation is the process of designing a character and as such is seperate and distinct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.105.17.26 (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Dubious edits
--76.175.139.34 (talk) 02:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)It seems some parts of the original "Characterization" page got lost while fighting vandalism: Some more points of interest:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterization&diff=next&oldid=178720683 — "Character development" section deleted
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterization&diff=next&oldid=210723322 — "See also" section deleted
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterization&diff=next&oldid=216990664 — "Direct vs. indirect characterization" section deleted
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterization&diff=next&oldid=198592176 Repairing link to disambiguation page — Got "explicit" wrong, should link to Implicature would be a better candidate, but still not quite correct
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterization&diff=next&oldid=199239839 — Shows two versions of a more elaborate lead text

— TowerDragon (talk) 09:38, 10 August 2008 (UTC), TowerDragon (talk) 20:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I restored the three deleted sections (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Characterisation&diff=next&oldid=230982073). — TowerDragon (talk) 20:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * … again (sigh). If only people could take a bit more time to check if not only one but perhaps the two last edits were actually vandalism… — TowerDragon (talk) 23:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Financial Characterization
Characterization is also a tax term. Where is the article about it? 209.244.43.13 (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Where you put it :-) Start at Characterization (disambiguation). — TowerDragon (talk) 23:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Merge and spelling
I've just undone the recent move from -s to -z spelling, since Wikipedia policy says it should stay where it was. In line with that, I've updated the spelling throughout to reflect the article title. I've also removed the MERGE proposal, as it is clear that the majority disagree with the proposal. DionysosProteus (talk) 11:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Where does wikipedia policy say something should remain mispelled?


 * It isn't, it is correct in UK English and other varieties of English Bevo74 (talk) 07:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: article moved. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Characterisation → Characterization - I don't see a reason that this article should go by the British spelling when most others under the title don't. See Characterization (disambiguation), for example. Flyer22 (talk) 17:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Moved from uncontroversial as past history and WP:ENGVAR mean it likely will be controversial. Dpmuk (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Clear WP:ENGVAR issue.  Dpmuk (talk) 21:59, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support Clear WP:ENGVAR issue and original article used 'z'. Changed vote due to comments below pointing this out (I had look before voting above but got a little confused thanks to the histoye merge). Dpmuk (talk) 19:03, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Obvious case of ENGVAR. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Reasons above, and it is not just British spelling. Bevo74 (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. The body of this article has apparently always used the "characterization" spelling, since its creation in 2002. A cut & paste move to Characterisation was attempted and then properly reverted with a histmerge on 12 November 2008 (see Cut and paste move repair holding pen/Archive 2). Only later that day did another editor move the article over the new redirect to Characterisation, perhaps mistakenly, with the edit summary "Re: Wikipedia guidelines on US/UK spelling variations". WP:RETAIN would seem to argue for the original spelling, although, frankly, it doesn't matter that much either way. Station1 (talk) 07:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, per my statements, as well as Station1's. I understand WP:ENGVAR, but that doesn't address the inconsistency of this article's title in comparison to the other article titles. The Disambiguation page is even titled Characterization. In my view, "Internal consistency," which is cited by WP:ENGVAR, should include article titles in cases like these. Keeping the article titled Characterisation just to prove a point doesn't make much sense to me. Flyer22 (talk) 14:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per first major contributor portion of ENGVAR. there was never any proper reason to move it. And consistancy with other articles noted by mom. oknazevad (talk) 15:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose The move log says that it was moved from Characterisation in 2007. The Characterization page move shows moved back to Characterisation in 2008. Chaosdruid (talk) 18:56, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong but the only 2007 move I see was of the redirect from Characterisation (existing since 2003), to Characterisationn (sic)  - Station1 (talk) 03:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Neutral&mdash;this is really such a trivially minor point. It doesn't matter either way. (Consistency is a bit of a red herring: check out Red (ENUS color) versus Blue (ENGB colour) for a longterm stable example of spelling inconsistency.) 137.205.222.193 (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support per Dpmuk. –CWenger (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, seems procedurally correct, and anyway, the "z" spelling is not out of place in British English either.--Kotniski (talk) 07:14, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


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False sources
It looks like someone has taken some of the sources from Character (arts) and randomly added them to support false claims. I'm removing them. The whole article is pretty dubious, still.  • DP •  {huh?} 03:25, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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