Talk:Characters of Final Fantasy X-2

Images
I'm in the process of adding one image for each character, but just as a link so it does not clutter the page and it still caters to the FFX fanatics who want to see every detail. As requested on "pages that could be improved w/ Images" I'm also adding a couple of images at each "bald spot". Renmiri 14:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri
 * Er... that may present a problem. All of these images are fair use, and, by Wikipedia copyright policy, all fair use images need to be used within an article for us to use them. They'll liable to be tagged for deletion. – Seancdaug 17:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Races, Ethnic groups, mortals / Immortals
I added this paragraph because I think it helps readers visualize and understand each character better Renmiri 16:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

Shuyin
Shuyin is too big and well-developed an article to be moved here. &rArr; Jarlaxle Artemis   01:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Disagree. It's big, but most of the article length can be lost if the worst of the fancruft present therein is removed. – Seancdaug 04:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If you put it like that, then the same can be said about Yuna, Rikku, Cloud Strife, or any other Final Fantasy character.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   05:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, it can. But there are also issues of notability. While a case can be made that, say, Cloud Strife is uniquely notable amongst Final Fantasy characters (given the popularity of Final Fantasy VII and the frequency with which he has cameoed in other games), a similar case probably cannot be made for Shuyin. – Seancdaug 06:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Shuyin is quite notable in regards of the storyline of FFX-2. If he would be merged, lots of information would be lost, especially when willing Wikipedians try to find extensive information about side characters, like I did. I was quite grateful for the large amount of information in Shuyins article. Why not re-write it? Who knows what appearances and cameos he will have in future titles, for Final Fantasy is long and life is short. ;) --Plumcouch 16:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * WP:NOT a crystal ball: if Shuyin appears in future games, then it may be worth revisiting the question of whether he deserves his own article. Until then, he's really no different than any other villain who has appeared in a single game. And, unfortunately, Wikipedia is not really the location of "extensive information about side characters." Any encyclopedia exists to provide a basic overview of a topic, and, often, a means to locate sources with more detailed information. Overloading an article with detail means that it becomes comparatively harder for someone just looking for the basics to tease that information out of the piece. No one's saying that the information in the longer article needs to be lost, necessarily, but it should at least be transwikied to a more appropriate location, such as the Final Fantasy wikicity or Wikibooks. – Seancdaug 18:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, Wikipedia should be a crystal ball.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   01:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think the Shuyin page should be merged in here. There's a lot of good information in this page for sure, but that can be saved on the Final Fantasy wiki. Shuyin's hardly got the notability of Cloud Strife, or even Tidus for that matter. It took me ahile to get used to the idea, but now I even agree that Cloud's article is appropriate in terms of length and such.

Yeah, it's a fine page and all, but the question to be asked is "Just how necessary is it?" The answer's "Not very." At the end of the day, it makes sense for Cloud's article to be as big as it is due to the 9897 viewers he got that day; Shuyin's 103 visitors hardly warrants the same. Ryu Kaze 23:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * To add to what I said before, while there's more to say about him than any of the other new characters in X-2, most of his info directly relates to the rest of the cast of X-2 and its main events, such that all the info can easily be maintained on the character list and the main X-2 page amongst the respective characters and the story summary. Ryu Kaze 16:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I think Shuyin should have alot more said about him, or go in depth of his striking resemblence to Tidus of FFX. Many questions are brought up about this, such as if Tidus is merely a memory of Shuyin that the fayth dreamt up.

I really dislike how people cut Wikipedia's information down so low. People don't want the basic information, they want information to go in great depth, why else would they even look it up? Seriously, people, quit cutting Wikipedia down so much, people don't want it.

Gippal
Gippal's own page is hardly warranted. The list page here can easily incorporate the more notable information concerning him. Gippal warrants his own page even less than Shuyin. Ryu Kaze 15:55, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. I already reduced his article a while back from 8 paras to the current 5 but it'll need a much tighter summary before it can be comfortably placed here. >Gamemaker 13:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Nooj
Nooj's page -- like Gippal's -- could easily be summarized and stuck in here in a paragraph or two. The speculation section could either be entirely dropped, or shortened to a sentence or two at the very most. Like Gippal, Nooj warrants his own page even less than Shuyin. Ryu Kaze 15:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree, particularly regarding the Speculation section, which isn't suitable for Wikipedia. >Gamemaker 13:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Merges
If there's no objections within the next 12 hours, I'm going to go ahead with merging Shuyin, Gippal, and Nooj's pages in here. Ryu Kaze 18:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do. Deckiller 21:06, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright. That makes the umpteenth vote of approval. I'm going to go ahead and do it. Ryu Kaze 23:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * And it's done. Ryu Kaze 01:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Annoying pictures
I removed those tiny pictures at the end of the charater descriptions. They only get in the way and make the article look really ugly. 85.220.108.113 19:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they might be considered excessive fair use. Deckiller 19:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really, as they are 10 px. Whatever, I'm tired of fighting this battle Renmiri 22:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * PS: Just be aware that in approx 7 days there will be no turning back. All unused pictures get deleted after 7 days. And this time I'm not uploading them again Renmiri 22:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Discussion moved to the project page
 * Since this will cause the deletion of all pictures, let's make sure this is not a unilateral decision, shall we ? I'm reverting the page back, otherwise User:Roomba will tag the pictures and they will be gone before others have a chance to give their input Renmiri 23:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do not remove the thumbnails until we debate the issue. Removing the thumbnails will cause the deletion of over 40 images by the Wiki robot that scans for unused images, in the next 7-10 days.

Maechen
In this article: "Maechen: An elderly itinerant Spiran historian from Final Fantasy X, he is revealed as an unsent in Final Fantasy X who lived in the days before Zanarkand was destroyed and witnessed the rise of Sin and the Yevon religion firsthand.

From List of Final Fantasy X characters: An elderly itinerant scholar who wanders Spira studying its people and history. Much of what he knows is knowledge mostly lost to the rest of Spira, and subtly hints that he is far older than most would assume. In truth, he is an unsent, as revealed in Final Fantasy X-2.

Which was it? X, or X-2? -- Ianiceboy 09:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

X-2. In FFX it's not mentioned. I wonder why people keep deleting the fact that he used to be a black mage.--Vercalos 06:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Do the games even mention that he was a black mage?  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   07:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Not explicitly, but it is implied very strongly. The 'video' played in the Black Mage dressphere makes a comment about a handshake with an voice much like Maechen's(slightly distorted), and later, Maechen also makes a comment about two girls having the exact same handshake(which is why he remembered he was an unsent).  Rather like Lenne is implied to have been a singer as well as a summoner, by her dressphere.

Spelling of Leblanc
In the game, Leblanc's name is spelled without the "B" capitalized. See "Characters" on the official site here:  (Sorry, I can't provide a direct link because the site uses Flash.)  Any objections to me changing the capitalization on this page? Kuribosshoe 08:24, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope.  &rArr;  Jarlaxle Artemis   03:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, done :) Kuribosshoe 07:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Invisibility
Is there a reason why the "See also" and "References" sections and the categories are invisible? When copying and pasting the exact same thing into the Sandbox, it is not invisible. — Galaeron Nihmedu 01:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Never mind; I fixed it. — Galaeron Nihmedu 03:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge in Paine
Seems logical, this will strengthen this article and help us push for GA status! Judgesurreal777 20:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Mergefrom", not "Mergewith". Kariteh 20:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean merge Paine into just a list of characters from FFX/X-2? I disagree. Paine is a major character. If you merge her, merge Yuna and Rikku. I only say this because Paine has a complicated backstory that takes up a fair amount of time in FFX-2. I vote to have her own page. Vaguely 19:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Rikku and Yuna have appeared in multiple games; Paine has not. Although she is one of the three major characters. I'm on the fence, because there's plenty of out of universe stuff to write about WRT her development and reception. &mdash; Deckiller 21:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny enough, I think it should be merged because it DOES have a good amount of out of universe info, which would be good for the characters of page, but I am not sure this article has enough info to get to GA on its own... Judgesurreal777 22:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote for no merge. One: Paine HAS been seen in cameo appearances in 3 other games. Two: she is one of the main characters in FFX-2. Characterlist pages are for minor characters.
 * I vote for merge. First, what 3 games are you referring to? As far as I know, she has been seen in cameo appearances in only TWO other games. Second, cameos are just that, cameos. Not full-fledged active roles with lots of things to write about. Zidane Tribal and Vivi Ornitier each have two cameos too and yet they don't have their articles. Third, Zidane is the main character in FFIX. Characterlist pages are for when characters can fit in and don't need separated pages, regardless of their major or minor status. Kariteh 06:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't she seen in the ending of FFX? I seem to remember her being one of the people in the crowd. At any rate, she actually did play a significant role in Kingdom hearts 2.--Marhawkman 06:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The main point is that there isn't enough out of universe information to constitute a whole Good article, and so she and her various game appearances should be combined into FFX. Judgesurreal777 22:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't merge... bad idea the merge that is.... Zisimos 01:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What a powerful argument you have there. Kariteh 09:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's better than your argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.157.46 (talk • contribs) 03:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge in Final Fantasy X-2
This article has absolutely no out of universe information, no creation tidbits, no reception details. Moreover, these characters appear in only one game. It's just like how Characters of Final Fantasy V was before its merger. The only exceptions are Yuna and Rikku, but this almost doesn't count since they fit on one line here. The article should be merged to Final Fantasy X-2, with Yuna and Rikku wikilinked to the Characters of FFX page. Kariteh 07:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the idea, it has received support at the FF wiki project, and would be a very good idea. Judgesurreal777 05:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree; however, Paine needs to be merged into this article. There is plenty of out-of-universe information available; the characters took a huge shift from earlier games (especially X), and there was certainly polarized and strong reaction to this. The article has some potential for encyclopedic coverage, so a merge seems unnecessary. &mdash; Deckiller 08:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Characters of FFX article merger
I was considering a new plan to merge the Characters of Final Fantasy X and this article. As what Deckiller pointed out to me in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Final Fantasy/archive/23, "this will remove a lot of redundant statements and allow for a more seamless merger of Auron, Waaka, Lulu (Final Fantasy X), Kimahri Ronso, and maybe Rikku/Paine (Final Fantasy)." He also said that "this is probably iffy, but it might work." Sjones23 23:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That might still be a good compromise. The key will be to optimise the wording by eliminating excess. It can be done, and it will give the combined article some great potential for GA or even FA. &mdash; Deckiller 23:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, Deck. That should be a good idea. Sjones23 00:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I also agree, the topic would be bolstered by the synthesis of these topics. Judgesurreal777 04:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Heck, why not. Most everything else about these two games are merged together, and it certainly makes things less redundant.  --PresN 11:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with merging it with the Characters of Final Fantasy X article. X and X-2 deserve a separate character article, one that is separate from the main X and X-2 articles. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)