Talk:Characters of Kingdom Hearts/Merge archive

=DiZ=

Artwork
There is an official artwork for DiZ's face. http://kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=kh2/ultimania/kh2ucr18.jpg Someone has to ask KHU permission to post it thought. -- erroneously signed by 87.196.69.153 on 15:25, 4 March 2006

TWILIT
It's "twilit", not "twilight". In the game it's "twilit", in the article it's "twilit". Got that? -- erroneously signed by 87.196.37.123 on 17:15, 27 March 2006

You're wrong, I've got that much. -Anony —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.104.28 (talk • contribs)
 * Sorry, but I'm almost certain it's Twilit as well. -JC 23:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm RIGHT. Just replay the final battle against Ansem and see the FMV again. Or even read any fanscript of the game. IT - IS - TWILIT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.9.24 (talk • contribs)
 * Sorry, you're wrong. The town is called "Twilight Town", but the word "twilit" is used as an adjective. Your grammar is wrong, now calm down. -Anony —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.64.159.75 (talk • contribs)
 * ARRGGHH!!!! Sometimes, the English language isn't fair! --Das654 12:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

ANSEM
Now that the English KH2 has been released and many American fans know the true identity of DiZ, I would suggest renaming the article Ansem or Ansem the Wise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.195.77 (talk • contribs)
 * That would be massive spoilers... -JC 00:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the Xehanort article is named as such, even though that's a spoiler...
 * No, the name Xehanort is not a spoiler. Having the name Ansem link to DiZ would be --- if the page is Ansem, it should be split into sections, first talking about Xehanort's heartless and later the true Ansem (DiZ).  The only time people hear about Xehanort is in KH2, and as soon as you do, you also learn that his heartless was the first game's Ansem, and his nobody is the leader of the Organization.  Not really any spoilers there.  Just think of the person most likely to look it up: For Ansem, that could be anyone playing KH1, who want to know more about THAT "Ansem".  For Xehanort, it could only be people who already know about things like that, and so shouldn't really be spoilers (aside from the usual spoilers-because-it-talks-about-plot-details-at-all spoilers). -JC 02:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

It stays at DiZ because Ansem the Wise clearly expresses disavowing of his original name, and there is no confusion as to which character has the name and the article. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 02:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

ITS TWILIGHT!!! --/Nightmareoblivionx(NmOX) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.138.51 (talk • contribs)

Early Theories
I dunno who wrote it, but I agree with it, and before someone decides to take it, I'll give good reasons to keep it - and no, it wasn't me who did it. I remember seeing in every single website about KH that theory about DiZ being Ansem's (now known as Xehanort) Nobody who didn't agree with its Heartless. It had its logic, and it was consensual. So, it caught a lot of people off guard when we discovered that Xehanort's Nobody was the Superior of the Organization and that DiZ was the REAL Ansem the Wise. So, it's like a little trivia there about the theories, and it fits such an enigmatic character. As a sidenote, why does this discussion page say "erroneously signed" when I write something? Yes, that was me who wrote those two, and I don't get it. I'm not a member (and wouldn't help that much if I was), so I did with anonymously, since signing wouldn't matter. Can someone explain that to me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.75.250 (talk • contribs)

-I honestly don't know. If it's you, you're probably really forgetful. If it's not, we need to fix it. -Anony —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.185.104.28 (talk • contribs)

Okay since it's such a fan debate and controversy should we make a warning or some mention to the possibility of Ansem being Kairi's dad. It's fancruft at best but i know that somebody will put it on the article eventually then it will be cleaned up and eventually Apostrophe will get annoyed at us. so is their anyway to tell people that until the game developers say somthing it's not true, thanks you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.95.154 (talk • contribs)
 * He isn't her father; his report says "It turns out one of the Princesses of Heart are here in Hollow Bastion..." or something like that. That isn't at all what someone would say if it turned out to be his daughter...  Of course, maybe he's just really cold... But oh well.  Highly doubtful.  Not worth mentioning.  -JC 04:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I know it's not worth mentioning in the article, I just figuered that by saying not to add-it that no-one would. but it is a fan debate and those can really get ugly on wikipedia so i wanted to take preventive measures becasue i know some fanboy will add it and then it will be months of geek vs geek is he her father or not debate. there is a place for those but Wikipedia isn't it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.95.154 (talk • contribs)
 * Not all Princesses of Heart are actual princesses by birth (Snow White, Aurora, Jasmine) or marriage (Cinderella, Belle). Alice isn't. So Kairi could be an actual princess by being Ansem's cousin, niece, or daughter (the last being the most unlikely for the reasons Tagged JC stated), or simply a girl with no darkness in her heart. No evidence either way yet. We could state that fact, which might be a bit redundant, or leave off the speculation. Noneofyourbusiness 02:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Having trouble understanding
If DiZ/Ansem the Wise is against Organization XIII, why is he helping them in the beginning of the game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.222.228 (talk • contribs)
 * Play the game or read the article. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 20:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This whole article is rather hard to read. Request proper grammar/spelling update? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.169.10 (talk • contribs)

Fizz
Whoever changed all instances of DiZ's name to fizz don't it's immature and stupid. Also it's twilight not twilit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.184.52.18 (talk • contribs)
 * "Twilit" is fine, it's an adjective. Sign your posts.—ウルタプ 13:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers, yo.
I don't mind being spoilt, I set out to find, but the Ansem page is massively spoiler-ly. ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.247.192 (talk) 12:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC).
 * It's the general consensus of WP:SE editors to not use spoiler warnings. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and we're here to inform people, not protect them from themselves. Besides, KHII has been out for over a year, and the price has gone way low even for brand new copies. If people haven't played it yet but still don't want to be spoiled before seeing the end themselves, it's pretty easy to get their hands on a copy. Nique talk 15:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

=Kairi=

Importance
Technobabble1 19:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)In Kingdom Hearts, Kairi was the most important NPC, because her heart was sucked out of her body by evil forces.
 * Okay, and...? '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * While that may be of some importance the reason she is notable is not because she had her heart sucked out, in the first game that also happened to some random guy in traverse town. The reason she is notable is that she is the force that drives Sora on to completing his mission. If it weren't for her and Riku most of the events in Kingdom hearts would not have taken place. Gamewizard0380 22:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

School
Are we positive that Kairi and Selphie go to the same school. after all we don't accept spectulation (i'm being sarcastic it just a lot of people don't seem to accept anything that's obvious but has'nt be said my Namura)could someone find real screenshots of her?

Cleanup
Okay we need to clean up a few things, i removed the adjective 'slightly' from about how her hair had grown, I don't think that going from a tomboyish bob to hair down to your chin is slight. compare the two pictures.

What happened to the entire "Name" section...?
I personally believed it was very well written. Why was this removed? Should this be reverted? Observation 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Naminé

Drawings
If the note about the papou fruit refers to the one in the secret place under the tree then that should be in the Kingdom Hearts 1 section.-paul@wiki

I don't know about this
I don't think that Kairi should be categorized as a fictional princess because technically she is not the daughter of a King and Queen or the heiress to a throne. I know technically she is a "Princess of Heart" but people scanning the "Fictional Princesses" category might get confused. :) Ton Chocotuar 00:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it ever says who her real parents are, she says in KH1 that she doesn't remember. We can only assume that they're a king and a queen of some kingdom somewhere, since from the other 6 we can assume being a princess is a prerequesite to being a Princess of Heart. 71.194.136.20 00:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You forget Alice is no sort of royalty. And did you notice that post is from August of 2006? >>;—ウルタプ 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, in Through the Looking Glass, Alice was a princess in the absence of Princess Lilly. We do know where Kairi's home Kingdom is though--It's Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion. When you see the flashback of Kairi's memory of her grandmother, they are in Ansem the Wise's castle in Radiant Garden. One would assume that if she were princess, and grew up in the castle of Ansem the Wise, then she is Ansem's daughter, even though it has not been directly stated yet. Also, in Final Mix, it supposedly clarifies than Ansem (the Wise, I think) sent her to Destiny Island to keep an eye on the chosen Keyblad Master.Bradofarrell 20:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Being a Princess of Heart does not mean that you must be a Princess. Logically, Ariel would have been chosen to be a PoH then (which still boggles my mind to this day), but she wasn't. Alice wasn't a Princess either. Also.. this argument is old. But to throw my two cents in: Kairi is not a fictional princess int he traditional sense. Assuming that she had royal blood in her is OR. Disinclination 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They probably didn't choose Ariel because when the Princess of Heart got released she'd be flopping on the ground choking :PBradofarrell 20:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The stupidest part of this argument is that Kairi being an actual princess is speculation. Last time I checked, WP:CRYSTAL clearly states that "Wikipedia is NOT a crystal ball". We don't know anything of Kairi's parentage (apart from her grandmother, who didn't really look like royalty to me), so it makes no sense to categorise her as a fictional princess without proof. As far as "Princess of Heart = actual princess" goes, that's speculation too. If you can find proof that Kairi is a princess - a real one - and that being a princess is a prerequisite for being a Princess of Heart (if I recall correctly, you only have to have a pure heart to be one), great - you can categorise Kairi as such. Until then, I am removing this article from that category. L337 kybldmstr 04:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Romance
I Know wikipedia frowns on speculation and shipping. however there are enough romantic undertones between Sora and Kairi to validate a mention of their relationship. trust me if we don't add that then we're robbing people using wikipedia to find out about the character a huge portion of her role. one sentence should be enough.Technobabble1 00:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely. Roxyr

They had best get together even if they have to make another kingdom hearts just to do it!!!!Digimonlover8 21:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's obvious that they're in love, but I don't think it needs to be described very in-depth on this page.

Hello
What is up with the further studies thing going down, I thought that he/she had a good point. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.174.124.158 (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

Age Discrepancy
Given that Kingdom Hearts II is set a full year after the events of the first game and Chain of Memories, would this not make Kairi and Sora fifteen and Riku sixteen years old? If so, would it not make sense to change the article accordingly? Super Shaz 21:22, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We are using the original Kingdom Hearts ages, so they should be fine the way they are now. // Sasuke  -kun  27  21:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why is this so?Super Shaz 13:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So we don't have to change it every time their age changes and so newcomers to the series will understand what their ages are at the beginning of the series if they haven't played KHII yet. Axem Titanium 16:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * However, a new game is out, with different ages. Wikipedia is not censored for spoilers, and the distinction is reflected on the page. Disinclination 00:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Kairi's Keyblade
Any info on it, name, etc.? Was it just temporary, or might she actually be able to fight in future installments of the series? I'm not sure what ending I got, but I'm assuming there's more than one like in the first one, and I haven't played the Final Mix of KH2 yet, so I'm not really 100% on all of this. 71.194.136.20 00:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The only info there is on the keyblade are the scenes of when she was using it. Because of this, it shows of how Kairi's able to fight and that she'll use it again in the future. Since she did fight, her current weapon is the keyblade.

Kairi = Heroine
Apostrophe apparently disagrees with Kairi being referred to as the series' heroine because "she doesn't do anything". For one, yeah, she does. And also, the definition of heroine from the dictionary is: The principal female character in a novel, poem, or dramatic presentation. Thus, Kairi counts. Please keep description as it is.
 * Random dictionaries don't determine what goes in Wikipedia. Terms like "hero", "heroine", "villain, and the like were deemed in violation of WP:NPOV by consensus, leading to the deletion of many categories. I'm going to respect that. ' 04:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kairi is obviously more than just "a character" in KH, but using hero, heroine, etc, are POV. So how can we achieve a balance of this? Any suggestions? Disinclination 05:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How is one more than "a character", again? ' 05:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Technically, no-one is more than a character, but there are main, central characters, and Kairi is one of them. I've opted for female protagonist as the term, because that is inarguably what Kairi is for the series.
 * No. She's a supporting character. Kairi is not the central character for Kingdom Hearts; Sora is. ' 15:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

http://na.square-enix.com/games/kingdomhearts/ Go there, go to the site for the original KH, click on Game Info, then Characters, then Kairi. That's an official profile, so if Square can use "heroine", why can't Wikipedia?
 * So we should make an exception because of a website? Why are you this intent on having Wikipedia describe her as something more than a character? ' 19:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Lead female protagonist", if you must use wiki-speak. She's essential to the story of all three games, she is on the central protagonist's 'side', Squeenix directly refer to her as a heroine. Heroine is POV in some regards, but not in this rather more archetypal fantasy with fairly distinct borders between heroic and villainous (at least until Organization XIII's introduction). AKismet 00:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Naminé
I figured that since Naminé is also a part of this article, this section isn't too excessive. Getting to the point, can someone post her real character render? Melinh.maryjane 20:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Image
I think we should replace the KH2 Kairi image with the one depicting the outfit she is in for the majority of the game, rather than the school uniform that only saw use at the start and then disappeared off the radar. --Warp L. Obscura 16:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That would make more sense if she was seen more in one outfit that another brief one. Go right ahead, but make sure you comply with image rules. Disinclination 19:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Keyblade
One scene only and not a gameplay character. Find something more substantial, please. ' 06:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

For the record, Riku isn't a playable character either and yet he has a keyblade. A keyblade is used to fight & Kairi has been given her own from Riku. It's not a borrowed keyblade, it's her own. A keyblade is only given to those who are chosen to help protect everyone from evil. Khiscool 01:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, this is Wikipedia. Will you kindly use proper grammar and punctuation while you're here? It looks bad if editors don't look like they understand these things. Anyway, the parameter is not there to abuse. I think you're making too big a deal out if it by insisting that it stay. Her Keyblade is not a vitally important aspect of her character. Axem Titanium 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I was in a hurry and I usually type like. I've fixed my errors. Anyways, though it's not a vital aspect, it's still apart of her since she is another chosen one from the keyblade. Khiscool 03:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How was she chosen if it was given to her? The Keyblade didn't appear to her, like with Sora and Riku, it was lent to her by Riku-- $U IT  04:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In case you forgot, "Khiscool" (pick one username and stick with it, please), Riku is a party character in the World That Never Was. You are overexaggerating the fact that Riku gave Kairi a Keyblade to use for one scene. It's clearly not a permanent thing, since it never shows up again. If, in the next game, Kairi uses the Keyblade often then we'll use the field. Until then, no. ' 12:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait... were you talking to me?-- $U IT  04:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Suit and Apostrophe, when a keyblade is given to someone that isn't chosen, it disappears and goes directly back to the owner. Through this, we can infer that she has her own keyblade and a keyblade is a weapon. If it isn't, then is she going to slice food with it or something else? Apostrophe, I've finally made one and I'm sticking to this one. Khiscool 04:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Talking to Khiscool, Suit. Khiscool, you are placing your own opinions onto the story; we do not know the significance of that scene, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. Until then, the answer is still no. ' 13:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How is my "opinion" wrong if I'm backing it up with facts from the game? Though it is only one scene, everything's from infering. So she doesn't own a keyblade even though a keyblade goes back to its owner if its not their's? Remember that a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear. A keyblade is for fighting evil so what else can she use it for? Khiscool 21:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, in the history of this page, it shows a different person that entered the text above. I just forgot to log off my sister's when I wrote the one before this. Khiscool 21:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "everything's from infering". Admitted original research, then. Thank you and have a good day. ' 04:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In No original research, it states that "unpublished facts" are unacceptable. I do agree with that too but "a keyblade choose's its owner and when Riku gave it to her, it didn't disappear" is a fact. If you don't remember, Leon was looking at Sora's keyblade in the first game but after a couple seconds later, it went back to Sora. Donald and Goofy also stated that the keyblade was to fight off evil, mainly the Heartless. Explain to me if they are not facts please. Khiscool 06:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "a keyblade choose's its owner" Says who? You're assuming this has any sort of relevance in this case. All you've done is repeatedly insist that your opinion of how that particular scene works is right, which has failed to convince consensus to agree with you. ' 15:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * After the keyblade went back to Sora in the first game, Yuffie even said that the keyblade chooses its owner. Also, finding the "chosen one" was Goofy and Donald's mission so they could defeat the heartless and find King Mickey. If not, then they could've chose a random person. Khiscool 23:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that very Keyblade allowed Riku to hold it without it disappearing. There's a factor to "holding a Keyblade" that we don't know, and you refuse to admit that. Because the first game said a bunch of things about Sora's Keyblade doesn't mean it applies to some Keyblade given by Riku to Kairi which we know absolutely nothing about. ' 01:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wasn't said keyblade originally meant for Riku?--Tempest115 00:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Tempest115, it was originally meant for Sora since it was a theory of having the true keyblade holder and a princess of heart living together on Destiny Island. Apostrophe, it's true that Riku gained Sora's keyblade but that was when he (Sora) began doubting himself and giving up all hope. The factor of "holding a keyblade" has been mentioned and explained twice in the first game by both Yuffie and Aerith. It was mentioned as a keyblade and not as any specifics to Sora. You too refuse to admit that the facts I've presented mean something and yet you keep coming back by saying that it was one scene. Just because it was one scene, many important means come out of it. Khiscool 01:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not even talking about Hollow Bastion. There are instances of Keyblades being held by other people. Riku held Sora's Keyblade in Traverse Town. Sora holds Riku's Keyblade while beating up Xemnas. Now I feel like an absolute loser arguing about this. What you want isn't going to be on the page because consensus decided against it. Until you come up with new arguments besides "What applies to Sora's Keyblade must apply to all other Keyblades!", I'm done with this conversation. ' 02:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's true of how Riku held it without it going back to Sora but in the end, he got his own anyways. It's the same with the vice versa of Sora's battle with Xemnas. As I said before, Kairi told Riku that she was tired of hiding and wanted to help. A keyblade wielder must have a pure heart (like King Mickey) and because Kairi is a Princess of Heart, she's been elligible since the start. Though Riku had one in Kingdom Hearts 1, he had a pure heart of evil hence the dark keyblade. Khiscool 04:59, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

You lost. Lay off it, man-- $U IT  05:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please, Suit, explain to me of how I lost. I haven't given up and yet I'm still not convinced that my stand is wrong. Khiscool 03:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * While you feel you may not be wrong, the overall consensus of the discussion seems to be that the keyblade should not be mentioned as you suggest. Since Wikipeida is a community and no one person has ownership to a page or the information on that page, your desire to add this bit of information will have to be put on hold. Since the rest of the editors on this page feel that it should be excluded for now, any further edits you make to include it could be considered as vandalism by editors and could lead to your account being temporarily blocked. And nobody here wants that and neither do you. Regarding your argument, no one is disputing the fact that Kairi held a keyblade. What people are disputing is the lack of other facts to support why she could hold it and thereby make it her weapon. There are several bits of information about the Kingdom Hearts universe that the games and Nomura have not shown to the gaming population. These same types of debates popped up all over the internet when the dual keyblade wielding person showed up in Another Side Another Story. Right now it is all speculation until certain facts are revealed. Facts like where do the keyblades and the princesses of heart come from. Maybe all the princesses can wield a keyblade, maybe it didn't disappear from her hands because Riku willed it not to, maybe you are right. The point is that while we can't deny that what you say is a possibility, you can't deny that there aren't other possibilities either. And some of those possibilities are that it is not her keyblade. Until more information is released from Square, Disney and/or Nomura, all the possibilities that we can think of constitute original research and can not be included on Wikipedia. (Guyinblack25 14:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC))

Page protection
Have all disputes been resolved for this page? I'm assuming so because there haven't been any posts to this talk page for two weeks. If no one objects, I'll ask User:Husond to remove the protection. (Guyinblack25 16:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

=Naminé=

Seriously
Stop changing the format, the Biography header and spoiler tags are necessary and required (in some cases both). This is the correct formatting and should not be changed. We are outlining the biography of the character, Namine, thus the title of that section of the article being titled Biography, simple logic, no? Also, considering the nature of her creation and other relevance to the main storyline of Kingdom Hearts 2, it is also necessary that we add spoiler warnings. Though people on wiki who haven't played the game shouldn't be catered to, in terms of spoiler information, they do have the right to know when they are about to read information that might spoil the story of the game if they didn't plan on, y'know, spoiling the game, thus the position of the spoiler tags.

This is not to be argued, debated, nor edited. If you have a problem with it discuss it here, and in the off chance you find a "better" solution, or a somewhat compelling "argument" as to why the header and tags are unnecessary, I'd be happy to here it. But as long as I've got this article on my watchlist, it will remain this way until sufficient evidence proves otherwise.

Please, don't ruin a good thing; concentrate on adding to the article not dumbing it down. Watemon 04:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Zero1328:Technically, I wasn't leaving messages in the article, considering they don't show up. In fact, that's almost exactly what that feature is used for. No need to get prissy over it just because you're pissed. Anyway, I started this topic a little while back, so had you actually gone here first, instead of editing stuff without discussing it, we wouldn't be having this little "issue". Watemon 06:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, technically you are leaving messages in the article, but hidden. Making huge messages like that in the article is excessive, and if you thought I wasn't reading the talk page you should've told me in the edit summary or on my own talk page. I'm pretty sure I'm not getting prissy over it, but try to remember to comment on content and not the person.. that's close to a personal attack again. - Zero1328 Talk? 07:39, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The messages were not in the article, the article is what is visible from the main page, what you were reading was the literal code itself. Considering people weren't bothering to read the talk page, I left my messages within the code and invisible from the article instead. The purpose of that code is exactly to leave messages, either explanations for article changes or otherwise. Why else do you think there's a feature that allows people to leave notes in the code that aren't visible in the article? You'll just have to get over that. Anyway, it's standard procedure to read the talk page, so I shouldn't have had to tell you anything; I'm not your baby sitter and am thus not responsible for reminding you to how to take care of your business. And I don't care for personal attacks or anything, instead of trying to change shit without discussing it, you should've come here first and started a topic over it, and considering you did neither, you're not really in the position to be complaining about anyone's behavior. I find it quite troublesome and even more frustrating when people take it upon themselves to "contribute" mass edits to an article before telling anyone or discussing it, especially when there was nothing to change or when there was nothing wrong. Your behavior in this respect to changing this article is much more disruptive and counter productive to the efficiency of this article than my remarks to you (also considering you could simply ignore them). But as I said, seeing as I'm only trying to run this article efficiently, you're not really in the position to complain about anything, considering you broke procedure. Watemon 09:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Watemon, don't forget that any user can contribute to any article in any way, within Wikipedia policy, without discussing it first with those on the talk page. And watch your language, too - profanaties are not beneficial. By the first sentence of this message, I am referring to your statement, " I find it quite troublesome and even more frustrating when people take it upon themselves to "contribute" mass edits to an article before telling anyone or discussing it". It's called being bold. Daniel.Bryant 09:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The "being bold" statement does not refer to changing articles without notifying others. It says it's okay to change articles and not to feel shy about doing it: "New users in particular are often entranced by the openness of Wikipedia and dive right in. That's a good thing. But please note: 'be bold in updating pages' does not mean that you should make large changes or deletions to long articles..." Notice how it doesn't describe being bold as "making edits without discussing it first". Further more: "Wikis develop faster when people fix problems, correct grammar, add facts, make sure the language is precise, and so on. We expect everyone to be bold: it's okay. Boldness is expected. How many times have you read something and thought, 'Why aren't these pages copy-edited?' Wikipedia not only allows you to add, revise, and edit the article — it wants you to do it." None of the actions taken fit under the necessity for these user's to "be bold" as you defined (though incorrectly). Neither users found it "necessary" to discuss their proposed edits with anyone before hand, or even make a talk page article over it before taking action. Had they done so prior, I wouldn't be so... up–front about it (to put it lightly). Either way, whether or not a user is "being bold", they must discuss their edits first. Going in an article and changing stuff that doesn't need to be changed is not beneficial to this article. Watemon 02:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

It mostly depends on what's being changed. The Guideline even states it too. It's recommended to supply a reason with the edit if the edit may be considered controversial and someone may object to it. It's all in the "...but don't be reckless!" section. I didn't consider it to be very major or controversial but you seem to have a problem about it. - Zero1328 Talk? 06:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Agreeing with the edit" is not a valid reason for a editing the article. Watemon 23:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Should she be listed under...(SPOILERS!)
fictional doppelgängers? Or would this be too much of a spoiler?
 * haha, sarcasm
 * It would seem rather fishy to me. We'd have to do that to Organization XIII too, and besides, they're not officially described as doppelgängers, but as a special species/race/whatever you'll call it in the game's universe.—ウルタプ 15:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ..okay, I just read the second section of the doppelgänger article. It's really very eerie how similar Naminé's actions are.—ウルタプ 15:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Zero references
Even if it is from an official site promo profile or something, we need at least one source to verify this article. Hence the tag at the top. Daniel.Bryant 08:10, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Casts
Namin'e was actuly voiced by jesse mcartney. don't worry i verified this with the credits in kingdom hearts 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyblade Master Natu (talk • contribs)
 * ...right. Um, I haven't seen the actually credit roll myself, but it's either a typo or you weren't lining up the text in your mind correctly...—ウルタプ 01:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not so much. I can verify that she did indeed voice Naminé. DarthCat 03:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't Jesse Mcartney the guy who plays Roxas. I think you just read one line up.69.117.57.73 20:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Jesse McCartney is a male actor who voices Roxas, a male character. Brittany Snow is the female actress who plays Namine. Watemon 08:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

=Riku=

November 24, 2005; Requested Move: Riku (Kingdom Hearts) &rarr; Riku

 * OPPPOSE I hardly think Riku of Kingdom Hearts would ever be primary meaning for it. 132.205.44.134 01:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Then provide other meanings for Riku. All I'm seeing is Riku (Kingdom Hearts) and Riku, which redirects to Riku (Kingdom Hearts). --Apostrophe 02:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It's like moving Kevin (something) to Kevin which is wrong, since Riku is a Finnish and Japanese name. 132.205.44.134
 * Oppose, ambiguous name. -Sean Curtin 04:50, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Disagree with move. I notice that Riku is (now) a disambiguation page. Doesn't that make the original argument moot? User:RlyehRising
 * Pretty much. --Apostrophe 04:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Page not moved. Eugene van der Pijll 18:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Get it right
The beach that Sora and Riku end up on before they return to the islands has to be in the Realm of nothingness, because Riku says that it's what the world is without light or darkness. if it's without darkness then it's not in the Darkness.

He says it's the world in its true form. Which would mean it's the realm of darkness. The origional world.

There are also numerous references to it being darkness(..then we'll be the darkness), and it has the same glowing rocks as inside the door to darkness.--The Crowing 15:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

A Fairy?
The current revision of Riku's page has Maleficent as a fairy and not a witch. A fairy, really? Is this really cheap vandalism or does anyone want to cite that? Stupidhumanzz 18:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I take it you haven't watched Sleeping Beauty. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 19:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I haven't recently. Calling her a fairy conjures up images of Tinker Bell and absinthe induced hang-overs that I really don't want to think about when I am thinking about Maleficent. Am I the only one that thinks its a tad esoteric to refer to her as a fairy then? Fair enough. Stupidhumanzz 02:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I agree that Maleficent as a fairy is just weird. Even if she is, if it's going to hinder comprehension then we should just take it out. I'm just going to take out the words "the dark fairy" since there is no problem with comprehension without them. Not to mention that the information is extraneous. --Eternal Trance 20:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm not entirely sure about this, since my version of the game is being borrowed right now, but I believe that the game refers to Maleficent as a Witch. And in the movie, it's never really mentioned what she is, but the traditional story of Sleeping Beauty would place her as one. Agape
 * Well, Maleficent is a fairy, but she is also a witch, AT THE SAME TIME! OMG!!!!! I think calling her a witch would be more descriptive to her character though. Axem Titanium 16:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, it's extraneous information. Don't put in witch or fairy if you don't have to. Why cause a stir if you don't have to? --Trance 07:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Riku's replic
Should the Riku replica article be merged into this one? I'm not sure whether he's that major or not. The Organization XIII articles are all merged (if they were ever seperate to begin with) and they play a similiar (if not larger) role. Hogtree 11:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. I'll do that now. Axem Titanium 23:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Ummm... What keyblade?
The picture for the Way to Dawn keyblade has been replaced by a picture of an anime girl playing the harp. ???
 * Looks like someone changed it back. The anime girl playing the harp was probably vandalism or a mistake someone made. --Trance 18:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Way to the Dawn is probably also some kinda anime thing. --Das654 08:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

KHII Picture
Why was the KH2 picture taken off? I've put it back and I will keep putting it back unless someone has a sensible reason. --MimiSard 17:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Riku's Keyblade
Is it me or does rikus keyblade in KH(NOT Souleater{his sword} but the one that unlocks hearts?) look different from Way to Dawn. Also wouldnt the Keyblade that unlucks hearts be more useful to the Orginazation?DooD 02:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Riku has had three separate weapons from what I can tell. He received "SoulEater" from Maleficent, then he got the keyblade that unlocks people's hearts by Xenahort/Ansem when he was possessed by him, and then he received the "Way to Dawn" from somewhere at the end of Chain of Memories.--Stupidhumanzz 22:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Keyblade Riku used while possessed by Ansem/Xehanort does look different. I'm sorry but I fail to see the relevance of the first part of this post. Your next point is actually a valid one, however (no matter how little they drew attention to it) that keyblade was made by Ansem/Xehanort using 6 of the Princesses of Heart's hearts and his an unexplained method that he, presumably, learned in his studies. Without access to these hearts that keyblade cannot be used and therefore is of no use to Organization XIII. As for the next section I'd just like to correct you on one tiny detail. Riku is seen in the Land of Dragons (KHII, second visit) weilding Soul Eater. At some point between his departure from the Land of Dragons and his arival in the World that Never Was Riku changes Soul Eater into a Keyblade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blademaster (talk • contribs)
 * Riku has three different weapons (four, if you want to be technical):
 * Keyblade (Realm of Light) - Stolen from Sora, then returned later
 * Unnamed Dark Keyblade - Created from hearts of Princesses, destroyed
 * Soul Eater - Gotten from somewhere
 * Way to the Dawn (Realm of Twilight) - The Soul Eater turns into Way to the Dawn at the end of Chain of Memories. It looks similar to Soul Eater, except it has a circular hilt guard, rather than the straight crossbar used in Soul Eater. That and Way to the Dawn has a keychain at the end (which is the sign of a real keyblade; all fake keyblades appear without keychains).
 * Riku uses the Way to the Dawn in the Land of Dragons. Axem Titanium 21:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the battle right now, I don't see the second wing at the end of the blade that gives Way to Dawn it's key look. It's not great quality but I think I'd notice something that distinctive. The angle isn't quite perfect either but i don't see the hilt guard or keychain though i do beleive I see the white section that surrounded the end of Soul Eater's hilt. I admit that I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that that's Soul Eater. On an unrelated note I beleive it said somewhere that Malificent gave Soul Eater to Riku.

The Dark one wasn't actually Riku's. it was Ansem's. Roxyr

Riku's age in KH2...
Why is it that whenever I post that Riku is 16 years old in the KH2 section of his article, someone removes it? I don't see why it should be removed. NeoSeifer
 * Because no one cares. Axem Titanium 22:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well the fact that Kingdom Hearts II is set a year after KH should logically lead to Riku and the other characters being one year older. Though you're right, there is a mild (and annoying) editing war over the age thing.Stupidhumanzz 00:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Axem. Because no one cares. Excellent logic. If they didn't care, why does someone keep editing it? Anyway, Thank you, Stupidhumanzz. At least I know now what's going on around here. I'll still continue to put "16" in Riku's article. In Kairi's article, it has stated that she is 15 in KH2 for quite a while, yet no one deletes that. NeoSeifer
 * Fine. No one important cares. It's cruft that can be integrated more smoothly that saying it outright. A better way to phrase it would be to mention that a year has passed. Axem Titanium 21:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't it just be better to put the information from the latest piece of media(KH2) that he had appeared in? It lists the his weapon from Kingdom Hearts 2, so you may as well use the age from it also. Nemu 21:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Seriously, give me a break with the important comment. Stop posting messages if you don't have anything remotely useful to say, Axem. NeoSeifer

I would imagine that He would actually be 17, since I believe Chain of Memories took a year. At least, thats what I read in an interview once. I could be wrong. Jezzerkenezzer In the first game Sora and Kairi were 14. Riku was 15. After the KH game the story immediately goes on into KH:CoM. After CoM, then there is the one year timeskip, so Riku is 16. Period. And I'm gonna change his age to 16. ChromeWulf ZX 18:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Or not. ChromeWulf ZX 18:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

ChromeWulf ZX is right about Sora and Kairi being 14 and Riku being 15 in the first game. KH2 was set two years after KH1 though because Sora is 16 during KH2. So Riku, is in fact 17 years old in KH2. I only know this because I've done my research and am a huge fan of Kingdom Hearts... and it bugs me that it says he's only 16 because that's not right... he's 17! Reyna16 06:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, your "research" just isn't accurate. ' 06:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Riku is 16 in KH2. Disinclination 20:32, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright... nevermind... I must have seen the wrong numbers or something because I just saw that Sora is 15 in KH2... silly me... I grovel at your feet and beg your forgiveness.Reyna16 01:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Which makes Riku 16. He is one year older than Sora. Where is the problem in this? Disinclination 02:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

KH2 did NOT take place 2 years after KH1. Riku is 16. Period. Teh discussion can be over now, i assume... InvaderSora 03:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Major changes
The original article needed a lot of work because the game was left up to so much interpretation. To remedy this, I'm editing the whole thing based on interviews and articles by Tetsuya Nomura and from information found in the Japanese Ultimania and stat books for the games. Anything that seems like editorial opinion is not my opinion, but views given by Nomura or cast members from these books. However, any insight as to the proper way to site these people would be appreciated. Should I just link to their pages? Maybe create a page dedicated to all of the Ultimania books? Or just site the sources in the article (that always seems to make it look cluttered.) --LiSyaoranw 22:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

=Riku Replica= seems pointless the article is big enough to warrant being seperate from the main list
 * Barely. It could easily be condensed more, than it'd be pointless having a separate article.—urutapu 16:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

he got all the main points and the replica is a major character in COM even  if not in the other games -

I think it should be kept seperate. Riku Replica is one of the major characters in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, and I think that warrants him a seperate page.

=Xehanort=

Xemnas
I'm thinking the Xemnas article in Organization XIII should be copy-and-pasted into this one. Xemnas is a part of Xehanort. People in the game even called him Xehanort, AND Xemnas was talking to DiZ at one point and explaining Xehanort's reasoning behind some things. In this light, I think Xemnas deserves more information in this article than he already has. Whether he has a different name or not, he's still Xehanort. I'm thinking the text under his name in the Organization XIII article could just be in two places, there and here. Either that, or I could type up more information on Xemnas in my own words. Any thoughts on this?--Cyfin 13:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This article relates just to Xehanhort so you should probably go with a combination if the Org 13 xemnas article but expand on the parts relating to Xehnort's past & maybe his heartless.-paul@wiki

Billy Zane's replacement
Does anyone know why Billy Zane was replaced with Richard Epcar as the voice of Xehanort? Was it scheduling, legal issues, what? -Three-Tail
 * We don't really know. Square and Disney never told us. Supposedly Billy Zane was in a very controversial movie, and I heard Square didn't want to risk people hating them for having such a controversial actor among them. I don't know if it's true or not though.--Cyfin 13:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh! I heard about that. It was a Turkish film. I'm pretty sure it was anti-Semitic or something to that effect. urutapu 14:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

About Ansem's real name
I think this page name should be changed to Ansem once again, and all links to Xenahort should be redirected here. The problem is that someone who has NOT played KHII won't know the true identity of Ansem, and that would automatically spoil a bit of the game for everybody else.
 * Wikipedia provides information, regardless of "spoiling" some people, and it will stay that way. --Apostrophe 21:14, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * But still, that part of the information should be in the KHII section of the article. The true identity of Ansem should be considered as a spoiler, and therefore it needs a spoiler tag.
 * And amazingly, there is! It's at the top of the articles. --Apostrophe 01:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe the picture should be removed or moved lower? It is kinda hard to look away once you realize there are spoilers if it's right there.--The Crowing 21:23, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Moved. --Apostrophe 21:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "And amazingly, there is! It's at the top of the articles."
 * You think that helps? This whole page is a spoiler! Just getting here is one! Change it back to Ansem and put the KH2 spoilers on the bottom! I know I can't edit it... because if I do then I'll probably be spoiled even more! In your idiotic effort to document it you ruined a major part of the game for many people! Pata Hikari
 * I suggest a soft redirect, folks. Pikawil 00:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Writing the article based on information just from the first game would be out of date and ultimately incorrect. 81.6.223.66 12:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "In your idiotic effort to document it you ruined a major part of the game for many people!" - Yeah, and in our "idiotic effort to document it", we ruined a major part of life (finding crap out on their own) for many people. Get over it. This is an encyclopedia, not a movie review.KrytenKoro 06:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest looking at the dates. ' 06:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

"Memory of Xehanort"
At it was one of the hints laid bt the Kingdom Hearts III promo, it seems to assume Xehanort's part in the series has not ended yet. But how he returns is up in the air. Apparently, Xehnanort is somehow related to the armored figures in the promo due to Xenmas "knight-form" during the KH2 final battle.
 * Okay, and..? '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 04:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that there isn't enough concrete information to talk much about it, but it might be nice to note somewhere that "Memory of Xehanort" is one of the secret movie tag-lines, and work in the fact that The Organization XIII was conducting research on memories for a still-unknown reason, and Vexen, who was deeply absorbed in his work with memories there, began his fixation on memories when, as Even, he and the rest of the disciples experimented on xehanort. WtW-Suzaku 04:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should. The whole "Memory of Xehanort" thing could only lead to speculation, which is not what Wikipedia is for.  We'll mention his memory when something's CONFIRMED about it.  As for Even experimenting on his memories, I suppose we could mention that...Cyfin 23:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, the new secret movie at the end of Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ has a bald headed man who has the same eyes and clothes that of Xenahort...so, we will see. --68.97.75.170 14:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

There is also the fact that one of the knights, the one you fight in Final Mix+ has the same hairstyle as Xehanort and his eyes change to be the same color. Perhaps this has something to do with it

Hollow Bastion vs. Radiant Garden
Technically, Hollow Bastion is the castle...I haven't read the English Other Ansem Reports. Does Xehanort show up in the world of Radiant Garden or specifically at the castle Hollow Bastion?
 * I don't think it matters. We'll just say Radiant Garden.  Maybe we should mention somewhere that Hollow Bastion's its castle.Cyfin 23:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Xemnas or his Heartless? Who was behind everything?
Actually a better question is this: Did Xemnas manipulate his Heartless and Maleficent?

I don't think so. Xehanort was controlling Maleficent in the first game to complete his plans while Xemnas worked on collecting human hearts. It might be possible that Xemnas was somehow controlling Maleficent in the second game. I suppose it could be possible but as far as we know they were operating on their own and making seperate plans. One thing is for sure: Each of them are Xehanort. Xehanort is the true villain in all the games as his heartless and nobody make up his complete entity.

I see. Be that as it may however, I still consider Xenmas the better half. Also (this may sound like a stupid question, but) did Xehanort influence Maleficent before becoming a Heartless and Nobody or after ?
 * No. Maleficent's plan simply benefitted Xehanort's Heartless. The two had no interaction whatsoever before Xehanort's Heartless possessed Riku. Anything further is speculation. Interrobamf 00:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I find sort of odd that Maleficent's plans worked perfectly with Xehanort. Xehanort stated that the heartless were using her, so she was a pawn in some prospective. Like you said it would be speculation, but it would make sense if Xehanort controlled Maleficent to complete his plans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.34.186 (talk • contribs)

Catagories he can be put into
Xehanort has so many aspects he could easily fit into these catagories: Fictional psycopaths. Fictional personifications of Evil, Fictional Sadist. Fictional symbionts, Unemotional fictional characters.
 * He is not a psychopath, personifcation of evil, sadist, or symbioant. Please learn what words mean. Interrobamf 10:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Xehanort is defiantly not a psychopath. He is evil but has intelliegence and does things based his goals. He is very sane, he only thinks that darkness is the source of all power. That upsession takes control of him. He might fit the category of personification of evil, but there is not enough history and evidence on his past to determine that.

Psychopath doesn't mean insane.--Malvorean 13:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I think he could fit into most of those categorys. He bonded with riku for mutual gain and needed him for power(symbiote). He was cruel, took pleasure in the suffering of others, and was a certifiable jerk as well as having a complete disrigard for life (Sadist). and the personification of evil thing, I can't think of one thing to make him not pure evil, he wanted to kill the entire universe how much more evil can you get? the Psychopath thing is a stupid but honest mistake? he's constantly lying, shows no remorse or shame, thinks he's the Greatest being alive, smart and charasmatic and mean without reason. however i got just plain evil mixed up with pychotic because i used the layman's definition. he does have delusions and irrational thinking so he's not a psycho. i apologize. what about the antisocial personality disorder? he fits those categorys doesn't he. somthing has to be wrong with his brain for him to basically kill himself following some scheme of power. He's an amalgalam of Frankenstein, Palpatine and Sephiroth. one scientist gone too far, one evil genius with delusions of gradure, and one nutso murderous bad guy leader. Technobabble1 06:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you. Xehanort does want the entire universe to be destroyed and tunred into infinite darkness under his control. The guy is reposnisble for mass destruction of planets, it's stated that inhabitants are taken with the worlds which shows him as a mass murderer. He controls and manipulates people then destroys them when they have outlived their usefulness. He is pure evil, he is composed of entirely darkness. He abducted many people and tortured them with experiments to make the heartless, the loss of lives in the experiments did not matter to him, only the pursuit of power. So I think he's pure evil but not a pychopath- Darknessofheart
 * Problem here is misconception of "psychopath" with "psychotic". Both begin with "psycho"... A psychopath is a person who is incapable of feeling remorse, sympathy, etc. So it could indeed be argued that Xehanort is a psychopath.

Alright, I think some of the categories are debatable, but I think he's defiantly a mass murderer. Just because he doesn't go around with a sword or knife and kill people doesn't mean he's not a mass murderer. Take all the people who became heartless, Ansem's reports describe them as being in unrecoverable condition. They can't come back and Xehanort was respnosible for that. What would you call that? It is also stated that the experiments caused countless of people's hearts to collaspe and they were put in unrecoverable conditions. Along with that it's stated that when a world is destroyed so are the residents. Think of all the worlds the heartless took, do you have any idea how many people were taken. Based on the amount of worlds seen restored at the end of the first game, I say he's killed millions of people. Now, personofication of evil. Can anyone give one example where he shows any signs of redemption or remorse. I can't, he's destroyed hundreds of planets, converted them into darkness, abducts people for his purposes, and uses other's weakness's to his advantage. He munipulates the darkness in people and destroys them. For what? There was no noble purpose he is easily able to betray Ansem who saved his life and gave him a home for years. He betrayed him as if he were an enemy, took his name, destroyed his world and residents, and shamed him. All he wanted was power, control, and knowledge and the expense of millions of lives didn't matter in the least. He wanted to cover existance itself in ever lasting darkness. That's pretty evil.-Darknessofheart
 * Question. Does it really matter? Simply because he is doesn't mean that he must be in those categories. There's also been a recent trend towards deleting categories like that since they're really POV and OR. Axem Titanium 22:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but I feel that he should still be included in the 'fictional mass murderers' category, if for no other reason than both halves of Xehanort were willing to ruin the lives of countless people and condemn them to a swift death by either Heartless or the Keyblade. That might as well be mass-murdering, indirect though it may be. --Necrophage217 20:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Now then, if nobody minds, I'll be doing just that. --Necrophage217 20:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Xemnas in KH1
When was Xemnas in KH1 at Hallow Bastion? -EG
 * Final Mix version. Also a flashback in Kingdom Hearts II. Interrobamf 00:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks....i was thinking that but i just wanted to be sure.-EG

Wouldn't that technically mean he was first seen in KH1: FM, instead of KH2? Trunksamurai 23:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Is it possible to find a better picture of Xehanort. The one that the article has is kinda of blurry.

I have 2 pictures but there kind of different. One is a artwork picture only showing his head and wears a blue jacket it looks like. And one is a picture of his full body with his scientist suit and is eating ice cream, but it shows an internet logo on it. So I don't know if these two might work.
 * Are you sure these aren't fanart? ' 21:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

qouit
Is there any wiki-qouit for him like his famous "all world are born in darkness and all worlds end the heart is no diffrent" I hope I qouited him right ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ...you mean "quote"?—ウルタプ 13:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yer.....*blushes*--♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 17:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Look in Wikiquote. Or GameFAQs. ' 17:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :} ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 17:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Chronological order
Do you think we should revise this article to have a biography of Xehanort in Chronological order instead of by forms and games? 151.196.128.234 21:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

This is an important point to bring up. I think this article should have at least a biography like it used to. Though this article states that Xehanort was the Ansem in the first game there is no information about all the experiments he tortured people with, how he created the heartless, destroyed radient garden,ect. Organization XIII is not even mentioned till the chain of memories section. While players were first introduced to this group in that game, the Organization was operating in the games reality way before Kingdom Hearts. Just because players didn't have that knowledge while playing the first game, doesn't mean that the organization didn't exist back then. Xehanort's heartless and nobody were making plans that took years to complete, and most of them were intiated before the first game. So, I think we should bring back the biography section to give people a more clear prospective on him as well as how Xemnas was cretaed and Organization XIII.-Darknessofheart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.34.186 (talk)

Chamber of Rest of Chamber of Sleep?
In this article, it said that Xemnas is seen in the Chamber of Rest. I've heard it called "Chamber of Sleep" which makes more sense because of the secret movie being called "Birth by Sleep." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.196.128.234 (talk) 21:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

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=Voice cast=

Further stuff
There are still a few gaps that can only be filled by someone other than me. Namely, some Japanese voices that I don't have access to. Kudos to anyone with or without a Japanese version of the game who can fill those in. Axem Titanium 17:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's full. What names are you talking about? Jienum 19:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A lot of the N/A's are actually unknowns (ie Sora's mother, tournament promoter, Abu, Ariel's sisters, Bosun, Jacoby, Ed). Axem Titanium 19:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

What is meant by Original Voice Actors?
--Zeldamaster3 10:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The actors who first originally voiced the characters in the Disney movies (or other media). I don't know any clearer way of saying it. You're welcome to try though. Axem Titanium 14:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Chain of Memories Villains
Should we note something about the voices of Organization XIII members Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Larxene and Marluxia? I heard that they're going to make a PS2 remake of Chain of Memories, so should we put something by those specific members (such as "Voice Actor Unknown), or should we leave it for the time being? Jienum 19:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Leave it for now. Wait until we actually have information, rather than just saying "we don't know" as a place holder. Axem Titanium 21:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

"Current official voice actor"...
Does this only apply to the original Disney gang and Pooh characters? Because in the case of other Disney media, I believe James Woods has voiced Hades in all of his official appearances. Same goes for Steve Burton as Cloud (he also voiced him in Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus). NeoSeifer
 * I'm leaving that open to interpretation. In Cloud's case, there hasn't been any other voice actor. As for Hades, how many pieces of Disney media has he appeared in? I feel like it's only necessary to include it if there have been other people who have played that same role before. Axem Titanium 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While, I just mentioned Hades and Cloud as examples. There are other characters, like the Beast, Auron, Aladdin, Jack Skellington, Tifa, Tron (O_o), and many more that are still voiced by the voice actor that first voiced them in US media. NeoSeifer
 * Well, as I said, I'm not sure it's necessary to say that they're the current official voice actor if they're the only official voice actor. With recurring characters like Mickey and Winnie the Pooh, they've had voice actors in the past that have died or something and new ones were hired to continue their roles (which extend beyond their singular movies). Axem Titanium 21:15, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Org. XIII members' voices in "re:CoM"...
Since when has Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia, and Larxene's seiyuus have been confirmed for "re:CoM"? Please post the confirmation in this thread. Until then, I'll remove them. NeoSeifer
 * It doesn't look like you did. I think there's a link at the bottom as a source for them. Axem Titanium 20:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I forgot to remove them. Anyway, those seiyuu are only fan speculation. Even if people have sharp hearing and can recognize the voices of seiyuu, it's still not credible. Now, I'll remove those names. There needs to be an official confirmation. NeoSeifer
 * Well, if those Japanese voice actors for the OXIII members in Re:CoM are speculation, then we should remove them from the Organization XIII page as well. Jienum 21:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Was Alice, and Wendy both played by...
Kathryn Beaumont? That seemed a little odd, considering she's 68(?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon God (talk • contribs)
 * Yes. She is credited for it in many reliable sources. Axem Titanium 20:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, sorry for bothering you, and thanks for making this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon God (talk • contribs) 2:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. If you're wondering how to sign comments, you add four tildes ( ~ ) to the end of your comment. Axem Titanium 00:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Tell
Would you mind telling me what this page is about?- Noodler450
 * I think the title makes it quite obvious. Axem Titanium 03:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)