Talk:Characters of Kingdom Hearts/Sora

Fictional Interdimensional Traveler?
I don't think Sora fits into this catagory. In the Kingdom Hearts series the worlds are clearly shown as planets, not dimencions. Pata Hikari


 * No, I think he fits. The worlds are shown to have different laws which are not to interfere with one another. Moreover, it's (supposed to be) impossible to travel between the worlds, although there are methods of travel, like Sora's gates, the corridors of darkness, or gummi ships when the walls have been torn down. 2:56, April 17

I'm not sure if he qualifies though, their always refered to as worlds, Sora should be kept from that catagory until the differnce between Worlds and Demensions is clarifed. just a question though, Since he comes from Dream Zanarkand which doesn't physically exist wouldn't Tidus count as an interdimensional Traveler?
 * 'World' is an ambigious term, since it can mean planet, universe, or point of view. The reference to walls between the worlds is telling, though. It speaks of interdimensional barriers, rather than physical walls erected between planets. Also, as one of the unsigned commenters pointed out, some (Wonderland for instance) operate under different laws of physics than others, which wouldn't occur if they were in the same space-time. Noneofyourbusiness 16:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

They are not planets. Basically, Sora and company travel through dimensional drifts that lead to different realities. Do you really think one Disney movie setting is one entire planet? No, they're not. Those settings are the main aspects of those realities, so they represent the "worlds" themselves. They only seem to be represented as "planets" out in space in the "World Map". Basically, Tetsuya Nomura didn't want the navigation of the worlds to be complicated. Thus, that's the reason why the "World Map" looks like that. NeoSeifer

Another thing. Look at the Beast's Castle (from KH2), for example. Last time I checked, a castle surrounded by trees on top of an unearthed land mass with a giant rose in a glass display in front of the castle wasn't a planet. NeoSeifer

Why doesn't anyone ever reply when I make a good point? NeoSeifer
 * Because if you'll notice, people stopped discussing this point on July 14, 2006. Axem Titanium 22:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with NeoSeifer, because if you read the Kingdom Hearts Manga on the first page explains how there was one world, and that it split up after the heartless destroyed it and the children recreating it ect. ect. and that why would Donald (in the manga) be so uptight on keeping the Heartless and other worlds a secret? And maintaining world order? It would just cause confusion...

Regardless of what the worlds in the Realm of Light are (just about everything points to them being more like planets, rather than dimensions; I suspect the so-called "barriers between worlds" are simply the vacuum of space, and they "broke" when the Heartless showed up because Gummi Blocks started showing up around that time, making space travel possible), Sora *does* travel between dimensions--he goes from the Realm of Light to the In-Between/Twilight realm (Twilight World and Castle Oblivion) to the Realm of Darkness during the story. He doesn't do that as often as planet-to-planet travel, but it still happens often enough to be mentioned. 63.215.28.145 01:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Main Image Change
I've changed the main image to Sora's KH2 design, as it's his current appearance. I hope nobody has any objections. 8:46, 9 April 2006

Character again?
It appears someone has taken the liberty of making it a character article...again. ~ Hibana 09:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The character's appeared in three games. That's notable enough for me. --Apostrophe 20:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think its okay...I mean, they've got a lot of info here, and he's a pretty popular character in modern fiction. ~  Dee man 45 21:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Kingdom Hearts is pretty much destined to become an ongoing series, so I think its fine to feature its main character on its own page. The very fact this page is as full as it is with pretty relevant information I think is enough to say he should get his own page. --Kiyosuki 23:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Fusion at the END?
"... ... ... It is revealed that one of the Organization members, Roxas, was "born" when Sora briefly became a Heartless in Hollow Bastion during the first game. He even fuses with Roxas near the end of KH2."
 * Doesn't Roxas fuse with Sora at the end of the prologue, which would be at the beginning of the game? --&#39;Ivan 02:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Beginning-of-my-Name-sake. --&#39;Ivan 15:12, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

That's somthing confusing but i think i understand. Roxas fuses with Sora at the beginning, Roxas then exist in Sora being a voice inside his head and helps Sora, though Sora thinks it just internal dialouge, you know Hamlet's 'To be or not to be' kind of thinking. because she sees Sora and Roxas inside him Namine can exist to open the cooridor of darkness, She looks at Sora then it's kinda explained when Roxas says "i think i understand I see myself the way you remember me, and you see yourself the way i remember you" i think that Namine's memories of Roxas let him come out of Sora, and Roxas's memories of Namine let her. come out of Kairi holding hands and glowing was just them going back to their others. Lots of Metaphysics and very confusing but i hope that helps.

If Sora did merge with Roxas at the start then why did they make such a big deal of it at the end? Exactly when do you hear Roxas as internal dialogue for Sora? Namine can open dark portals completley independently as demonstrated when she frees kairi from the dungeon. As for the end if you read the ansem reports a few times you'll see Roxas and namine exist as the other remebers them because Kairi was involved in Roxas's creation and Sora in Namine's. Finaly at the end Namine merged with Kairi and then Roxas did the exact same sequence with Sora. If Sora had merged with Roxas at the beginning he wouldn't need to perform the same fusing action as namine did.- paul@wiki

Sora only partially merged with Roxas in the beginning and they totally accepted being one at the end. That's also why they had the fight in Sora's mind. - Lord Vann

Information

 * Here is some information from the Ragnarok article merge, please insert it how you see fit. Deckiller 21:27, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

In the Final Fantasy spin-off title Kingdom Hearts, one of Sora's attack abilities is called Ragnarok. When the ability is activated, Sora leaps into the air and lands multiple keyblade blows on an airborne enemy, firing blasts of energy from his keyblade which home in on nearby enemies after the combo is finished.

In the sequel to Kingdom Hearts, Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, one of the more powerful sleights (a card combination that results in a special attack) is also called Ragnarok. It requires 3 cards with individual values of either 7, 8, or 9. Sora will leap into the air and energy collects at the tip of his keyblade. While suspended in the air, Sora is still able to move, thus allowing you to aim the attack while enemies are still moving. Once fully charged, Sora fires a concentrated blast of rays. The attack can also be fired prematurely without any loss of power.
 * I think the ragnaraok article should be deleted; it is too much to put in info on a single attack, and then you would need to cover the other attacks to make it comprehensive; Wikipedia is not an FAQ, people. -Dee man45 03:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hence why I left this information on the talkpage instead of redirecting to the list of FF weapons without it. I'm sick of fancruft as well. Deckiller 03:54, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I added stuff about the romantic hinting between Sora and Kairi, I see it as relavent and easily defended as canon, also a used the term hinted to discribe how the feelings are presented, please do not remove this part.

A few questions
How come there's not a seperate entry for Keyblades? Sora's certainly not the only character who uses them--as of KH2, there have been three (or four, if he counts) different people, other than Sora, who have used one. Also, the "secret" movie at the end of KH2 suggests that there's even more out there somewhere... So should somebody make a "Keyblade" page? Maybe with a list of Keyblades, who has used them, and stuff like that, too. It's kind of silly to claim that the Keyblade is the only weapon which can truly kill Heartless and Nobodies--in all three of the games, you see many of the two killed off by other things--summons, other characters, Riku's Soul Eater sword in CoM, Axel's chakrams, and so on. And one last thing... it hasn't really been figured out WHAT causes Anti-Form to activate. People have been trying to figure it out, but without much luck yet. So unless there's some proof that I haven't seen, someone should probably take the part that says why it happens off...
 * A separate article is a great idea. Doit toit! :) Make sure to mention those cool replicas people make, and the relations to other weapons (sword/axe) and real-life suitability. Tyciol 21:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one who thinks the medallion from Pirates of the Carribean could be a keychain? -Unknown
 * Possibly, but now that you gave me the idea I think so too. Tyciol 21:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone will have to play through and write down Keychains as they go, since only the Kingdom Key, Oblivion, and Oathkeeper Keychains are acknowledged in the inventory, but for some reason after you complete a world the Keychain's name and picture shows up. The only Keychain I know the name of is the Hero Stone (for Hero's Crest). urutapu 03:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? That's really very extraneous overdetail. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 05:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There are four Keyblade users, even if you don't count Roxas. Also, Anti-form's formula has been released in guides, most notably the Japanese Ultimania guide.

Obviously, the secret movie points out that there are thousands(possibly millions) of different Keyblades out there. I think there's enough info of the Keyblade for it to have it's own page.

Anti-Form
Actually, it HAS been revealed what causes Anti-Form, via the Kingdom Hearts II Ultimania Omega, a comprehensive guidebook published by SquareEnix itself. The guidebook is the absolute authority on the game, and thus, information found within is essentially concrete. Among other things, it does list the requirements for attaining Anti-Form, which were exactly as written earlier today. 69.40.115.212 03:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Urgh. For starters, it isn't the Omega. I've kept the actual information; I objected to your presentation of the information as a rebuttal, which is terrible form on an encyclopedia. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 03:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Very well. I can understand your objection to my form.  I simply wanted to try and get rid of some false information that I had seen.  69.40.115.212 03:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Keyblade Information?
I want somebody to clarify this statement:

''In the occasions when Roxas used the Oathkeeper and Oblivion Keyblades he was simply using the same conjure that all the other members of Organization XIII used. They are not real Key Blades.''

The last statement looks too much like speculation in my opinion. When did the game say that Roxas had fake keyblades? It does seem plausible because he draws the power from Sora, but saying they are fake? I don't understand.

I'd like clarification on this also. ---Chemicalist 20:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's stated specifically in-game that Roxas can use the real Keyblades, by virtue of the fact that he's the Nobody of Sora. -Rikoshi 22:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It may be worthwhile to discuss the very concept of a 'real' keyblade- since there is a certian lack of reality to even the most real keyblades. For instnace: keyblades can be formed and unformed and transformed and teleported at will, and a keyblade master at the hight of his power (say, by Driving or whatever Roxas does) can form a second keyblade, despite being the master of only one 'actual' keyblade.  I think something needs to be done to separate the concepts of the 'real' keyblade (what it is that a keyblade master is the 'master' of) and the 'physical' manifestation of the keyblade - which may be in different forms or may actually be two keyblades or may, at the time, be not physically formed at all. Webrunner 17:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 20:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well i'm not saying it should be put in the article, but I just thought it would be useful to point out in this discussion that there really isn't enough information on the actual nature of the keyblade to be able to say this and that keyblade is or isn't 'real' Webrunner 21:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

if there keyblades there keyblades. Remember, each world has a keyblade (keybalde of the realm of light, shadow, way to dawn, and that keyblade Kariri has..) and so if the noboby is of soras, then it is true keyblades... Sora214

There's no denying that the Keyblades Sora, Riku, Kairi, Xehanort's Heartless, Roxas and Mickey use are canonical. That doesn't necesarily mean EVERY keychain is canonical. Some of the "unseen" ones like Fenrir are (since Tifa physically gave it to Sora, though you didn't see the keychain itself), but you don't see most, if any, of the others being recieved. --L337 kybldmstr 10:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite a few are given, actually (such as the Agrabah ones) - and alot of them seem to be based on the keyholes. The Moon one from the Mysterious Tower is seen to be given, as well, and Gullwing is too.
 * Is it verified that they are actually just manifesting the same keyblade they already have, or is it possible that being a keyblade master is like being a master of the sword - you're a master of the art of its use, not just that one sword - maybe they can have indefinitely many keyblades, as long as they are strong enough to handle them (like Final Form + Valor Form = 4 keyblades?)KrytenKoro 01:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

For that matter - what makes the organization's weapons "unreal"?KrytenKoro 01:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Antiform or AntiForm?
AntiForm was action replay'd into the Drive Menu in [this video]. Note the lowercase "f" in "Antiform". Just asking, where is it called AntiForm, the guide? If not I'm editing it.
 * End battle stats screen. States "Times used AntiForm" or something like that. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 00:14, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

The secret ending.
this has nothing to do with the character and thus i will remove it. i think it would be better placed in the Kingdom Hearts 2 main article not sora's character article. "END OF LINE"

Sora in Timeless River
I changed Sora description "1920 style" to "1960s' Osamu Tezuka-style", but was reverted twice. The second time was with a comment that said "Japanese animation was inspired by Disney in the first place". I am aware of this, but Japanese animation did not come into being in the 1920's, and the style Sora has in Timeless River is non-existant then. Though Japanese animation is inspired off Disney, it did not start until the 1950's by Osamu Tezuka, at the earliest. Please consider this. deadkid_dk 04:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please consider that everything else in that world is based on the 1920s Disney cartoons. Everything.  On top of that, saying it's based on Tezuka's style in a point-of-view.  It's never officially stated.


 * Also, read this. (from Tezuka article)


 * "The distinctive 'large eyes' style of Japanese animation (anime) was invented by Tezuka, who based it on cartoons of the time such as Betty Boop by Max Fleischer and Mickey Mouse by Walt Disney." urutapu 04:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nobody is doubting that Japanese animation is based on Mickey Mouse and etc. I'm just saying, the style was not invented in the 20's (There is a distinction between the styles of Astro Boy and Mickey, no?) . Also, Donald Duck and Goofy's appearances aren't based on the 1920s cartoon, they're based on their respective debuts. (1930's) deadkid_dk 05:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, not seeing Sora as anything but "human adapted to the style early Disney cartoons". As everything else in the world is based on those Disney cartoons, I'd say it's safer to state the same for Sora rather than the opinion that it's from Astro Boy (which Sora is too thin to fit in, anyway) or some such. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 16:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Alrighty then. deadkid_dk 23:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

No AntiForm from Final Form?
Over at GameFAQs.com, someone stated that you cannot become AntiForm if you change into Final Form. Is that true?--BigMac1212 05:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. But, um, why are you asking us? '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 05:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I wanted to make sure the statement is correct.--BigMac1212 17:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

No, it is NOT true. You can still transform into AntiForm - it simply occurs even less than normal. --L337 kybldmstr 10:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with L337 kybldmstr; Final Form decreases the probability of turning into AntiForm by 10 points, but it still has a slim chance of turning into AntiForm. K  e  yblad  e  S  e  phi  (Talk)  (Contributions)   (Autograph) 00:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought Final Form reset the Drive counter?—ウルタプ 03:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Obtaining it, yes. Using it only decreases the counter by 10 and it's impossible to transform into AntiForm when transforming into Final Form. ' 05:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Anti Form is obtainable when transforming into V, W, or M Forms, while Final decreases the points that the others add.KrytenKoro 05:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

SSBB?
I thought there was a cameo appearance for Sora in SSB. Brawl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkside597 (talk • contribs)
 * No, it's one of the fan suggestions.—urutapu 05:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I thought it won the Japanese poll, so doesn't Sora get a high chance then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkside597 (talk • contribs)
 * I guess so, but nothing's been confirmed, so nothing needs to be said for now.—urutapu 14:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Who owns Sora
There has been a debate as to which company owns Sora, Disney or Square-Enix. Does anyone have proof as to which company owns him? Buster Sword
 * I'd say Square, since they developed the game and Nomura designed him, but it's never been officially stated.—ウルタプ 13:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I remember reading something about this in a Official PSM magazine. Actually, I think that Disney owns Sora and any original characters. I'm not sure though. ChromeWulf ZX 02:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Cloud and Sora
One of the pieces of trivia claims that Cloud and Sora look similar. Maybe I'm blind but I don't see any resemblance whatsoever. Does anyone have a citation? --Stupidhumanzz 05:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Its all because of the spikey hair. Tifa in KH2 is looking for someone "with spikey hair." When Sora points out his own spikey hair, she says "spikier." Thats really the only thing they have in common. DJKingpin 20:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

In the manga they look oddly alike when they meet in Olimpeus Coliseum (bad spelling of Herucles world...) Sora214

Nightmare town transformation
I'm confused. It says that the keyblade also undergoes a transformation. But, I didn't see anything different about it in Kingdom hearts. But if you're talking about in Kingdom hearts 2, maybe you should explain that. Trunksamurai 20:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"Sora" Name in Japanese
This may come across as a finicky technicality but I'm pretty sure the name "Sora" should be stated in Hiragana　（そら） other than in the Katakana version （ソラ） This alphabet is usually reserved for foreign names or objects. And as all Japanese dictionaries translate "Sora" as "Sky" then would it not be correct to have his name in Hiragana Japanese?

If anyone could clarify to the contrary to it actually stating his name in Katakana in the game itself then please do. Otherwise, could this be rectafied to the correct alphabet.
 * ...as the name of this character, "Sora" is written EVERYWHERE in katakana.—ウルタプ 15:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Uhm, on the KH2 site, his name is written in katakana, while I haven't played the Japanese version of KH/2 myself, I would presume it is in katakana, and given the benefit of doubt, it'll be katakana here. While his name IS Sora and that happens to be the word for sky, doesn't necessarily mean it is, infact, allusions themselves have very little if at all any connection to what is being alluded to, plus in Japanese most character names are written in katakana, since hiragana is "strictly" reserved to depict the actual word. Zerocannon 09:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Adding spoiler tags is censorship?
Can someone explain this to me? I really don't consider letting people know that the article is about to spoil major plot points censorship. This must mean that an awful lot of articles on Wikipedia are "censored" as they have spoiler tags.

If I missed something about this in the guidelines, please link me to it. Blue Phoenix 03:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is the consensus of WikiProject Square Enix and WikiProject Final Fantasy not to include spoiler tags because:


 * Wikipedia is not censored, as shown by what Wikipedia is not and the content disclaimer available at the bottom of every page.
 * Spoiler tags add nothing to the article. It's quite plainly obvious that a Wikipedia page about a topic is going to have spoilers on that topic. If you don't want to be spoiled about it, why would you even come to read it?
 * Spoiler tags break the flow of the article by clearly marking where spoilers can and cannot be. Limiting the article in such a way would force the editor to rearrange the article to its mutual degradation.
 * Spoiler tags are inherently POV because who are we as editors to say what is and what isn't a spoiler? Where is the line in a game beyond which information is considered a spoiler? Is there such a line? The opening scene of a game wouldn't be a spoiler to someone who's played it but to someone who hasn't bought it yet, it is a huge spoiler.
 * There are other reasons but if you really feel strongly about it, go to WP:SE to talk to them. Axem Titanium 16:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I never looked it that way before. I have to say I'm intrigued, and in a good way. No arguments from me. Blue Phoenix 14:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your distinct lack of prejudiced arguing-for-the-sake-of-arguing. Usually, bigoted and/or irritated editors who don't like new ideas try to misconstrue Wikipedia policy for the preservation of spoiler tags. Axem Titanium 22:37, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Although it should be noted there are non-bigoted and/or non-irritated editors who like new ideas and don't try to misconstrue Wikipedia policy yet still favor spoiler tags. Powers T 15:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

So, does that mean we can't use spoiler tags in the article? I did add two just now, feel free to take them out if it violates anything (though I wouldn't understand why =/) --L337 kybldmstr 10:30, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright
What company actually owns Sora? Disney? Square-Enix? Thanks in advance -Power Slave 01:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Who, sorry about that. Someone already asked the same question halfway up the page -Power Slave 01:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am aware that the question is also up there, but anyway I will answer it. I think that Sora, Kairi, Riku etc are owned by Square Enix. See:

"© 2002 Square Enix Co..LTD. All rights reserved. Original Character Design ©2002. 2003. 2004. 2005. 2006. Square Co..LTD All Rights Reserved. All likeness is the sole property of Square Co..LTD. The use of these materials is forbidden, and thieves will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law." I think they are anyway, but I will try to doublecheck that quote. Yuanchosaan 09:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Got it. Found it on one of the other talk pages. All credit to Zeno McDohl. Yuanchosaan 08:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Age?
He's 14 in the first game, and a year passes between KH1's end and KH2's start... so, should his age be listed as 14 or 15? I'm not sure what the general way to do character ages is--would the page use his first appearance's age (14), or his most recent known age (15)? 63.215.28.145 01:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be his first age because not everyone has played KHII, so they would be confused if they started with KH1 and suddenly found him to be a year older on Wikipedia. I probably could have worded that better... Axem Titanium 01:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Couldn't we break it down for his age in KH1 and age in KH2? Lionheart08 21:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be pretty silly since if you knew enough about KH to care, you'd already know the answer anyway? Axem Titanium 01:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's silly. On Yuna's page it shows separate ages for her appearances in FFX and FFX-2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.235.141.68 (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

If the article has information beyond his first appearance, it should list any other ages. That being 15 in KH2. "'The hero of this story. Chosen by the Keyblade, this 15-year-old is on a journey to reunite with his friends. His best friend Riku has gone missing, while Kairi has been left behind in their homeland of Destiny Islands. He has a cheerful disposition, and while a little naive, his sense of justice is extraordinary.'"

The above is from the mini-handbook you get from the game, word for word. I am going to add it in, much like Yuna's article. There is no reason it shouldn't be added, since Wikipedia is not censored for spoilers, as well as WikiProject Square Enix and WikiProject Final Fantasy. See more information in the above section that was dealing with spoilers. Disinclination 23:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Limit Form
It seems that according to SOME people that the current info on Limit form is not worthy enough to be put on the page. So I ask you guys, what is it going to take to get the info to be put on the page? Omimon January 20 16:01, 20 January 2007 Apostrophe (Talk | contribs) (I'm well aware of its existence. I'd prefer we waited until the stupid game is released so we can get some actual DETAIL.)—ウルタプ 02:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't bother to check the history?

Well who made Apostrophe the master of the page. Omimon ,January 20
 * I am totally with you on this one Omimon, I think the infomation you had should of been of the article too. Foilenleg - 21 January 2007
 * One scan is not reliable proof. Wait until more proof about this so-called "Limit Form" comes out and then we can write about it. // Poetic  Decay  03:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "Some magazine says something called Limit Form exists, and you can probably do Dodge Roll!" is not good prose. When more information is available, we can have your fancruft in the article, okay? '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 12:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Can't we at least put what we know already on the page. Omimon January 21
 * The thing is we actually don't know anything about it yet. We have one picture by some gaming magazine from Japan (which is hardly a reliable source). Including that would be including the illusion of information when in fact, nothing solid is actually known. Axem Titanium 02:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, do we even know for sure if it's actually called "Limit Form" or not?? From what I remember, even the Japanese magazine that had the news about it used quotation marks (or the Japanese version of them anyway; those little half-brackets they use for quotes over there) around the term "Limit Form." That, to me, suggests that THEY don't even know what it's going to be called yet--the names of all the other forms were entirely quotation-mark-less.63.215.28.145 06:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

According to Kingdom Hearts Ultimania, Limit Form will look very much like Sora's KH1 outfit (only it will actually fit and still matches to his current costume) and will allow Sora to use many of his old KH1 abilities (at last! Dodge Roll! :D). Not convinced? check the front page yourself! --L337 kybldmstr 10:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only one who's actually seen a video of Limit Form in action on Youtube.com? Sora uses Ragnarok, Dodge Roll, and Ars Arcanum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.88.98.193 (talk • contribs)

Article cleanup?
To me, the article seems to be talking about the entire storyline of KH, not Sora specifically. I thought articles about characters talked about the relevant character and their development and stuff, not the plot of every piece of literature they appear in! --L337 kybldmstr 03:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * All of the pages of the main characters (Sora, Riku and Kairi) seem to come from each of their point of view from the events. That much is different at least, but they could be a bit more personal. And references. Where are the references!? Dx Disinclination 04:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Going to post for an outside source
This little revert war has been going on for what seems like a year, from what I've seen on the talk pages. My edits, which were up there for over a month or two, were reverted twice recently. So, I'm going to post on the WP:SE talk page (someone could post on the Disney one as well) for outside sources to talk about the issue of adding both ages to Sora's, Riku's, and Kairi's articles. I personally believe they should be added, along with other people, and some believe they shouldn't. Or not at all. I feel this is a necessary course of action, simply because it will probably never get solved otherwise. Disinclination 04:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

WTF? They won't let people post the main cast's ages? That's pretty f*cked up to me. I'm adding them if they aren't already there, full stop. And screw anyone who says they shouldn't be there. --L337 kybldmstr 10:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * L337 kybldmstr, please try to remain civil in arguments. Trust me, it just gets you no where. I do believe that the ages should be added, just like on the other articles under the WikiProject Square Enix. KH already follows the preview that spoilers are to be taken out of their articles; why is this not following other articles as well? Disinclination 20:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No consensus over age?
I hardly agree with that. There have been several people who have wanted to add them, and only about two people reverted our edits always. Considering the fact that two GA articles (specifically Yuna) both list their respective ages in more than one game, and I haven't seen an argument yet, other than its "stupid" and it "takes up space" on all three KH main characters. Considering since Cloud Strife's page actually lists like what, 5? EDIT: Or, it used to. Disinclination 19:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yuna is not a good example, because Final Fantasy X is not primed to become a series, while Kingdom Hearts is already one, and Sora's age is not going to be constant as they make more games. I also ask you to read WP:DEMOCRACY. ' 20:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There was no consensus through discussion. There were multiple people who argued for ages being put up, and only two who said no. We also don't know how long the series will go for. Right now, there are only two, and probably faint public plans for a third one. Disinclination 20:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with User:Apostrophe on this one. KH is a series, the age is going to change with every game in the series. We could keep it at the most recent age, but then we'd just have to change it with every game. The section for each game gives his age within that game anyway, so we don't need the age listed in the infobox. Nique talk 20:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The only problem I had was that other articles under WP:Square Enix that were GA had listed several ages. Hence where my basis of the argument came from. We also still don't know how many games the series will consist of. Disinclination 21:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Pirate
Should it be mentioned that when the player is going through the Port Royal stage that Sora appernatly is facinated by pirates? Vilerocks 02:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

yes I think that is a great idea though where to add it is the questionYou keep what you kill 22:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Too Much Content
I think we should work on deleting a lot of the story line in this article because there is no point in sumarizing the entire story lines of the games just the important events that happen to sora as a person not the party or any of that stuff I think that would geatly improve the quality of the page--You keep what you kill 22:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, yes, I think so too. Plot needs to be trimmed, definitely.HadesDragon 22:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
Was their ever an official deletion topic on any of the three main characters; Sora, Riku, and/or Kairi? Smile Lee (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, they were merged because we didn't have enough real-world info to sustain said articles. They were just pure plot summary, which isn't encouraged nor allowed here, despite, unfortunately, being a common practice.HadesDragon (talk) 15:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I've been on Wikipedia long enough to understand that, but that still doesn't take into account that these characters are considered icons. They have made numerous appearences across many games, and their design is well documented in many sources. I think there is plenty for the articles to cover, besides fancruft or story summaries. Smile Lee (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, then I suggest you try and find such information. We had a hard time finding much of that, and that's why they were merged.HadesDragon (talk) 17:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)