Talk:Characters of the Final Fantasy IV series

Palom and Porom
I think the pictures of Palom and Porom are mislabelled. The one shown beside Palom, I believe, is actually of Porom, and vice versa. Could anyone confirm this? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.107.224.195 (talk • contribs).
 * Palom has the red cape. Porom has the green cape.  The spirtes just have the wrong names.  Play the game for confirmation? &mdash;  warpedmirror  ( talk ) 01:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Art
Perhaps the official art for these characters would serve as better visuals? The sprites (especially at this size) are unsightly and pixellated. I know no official art likely exists for some of them (like Anna, Kokkol, etc), but I know it does exist for all the main characters, Zemus included. -- D a l k a e n T / C 16:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The only I possibly see with this is that all of the images are very different in size (some are vertical, some horizontal) and could possibly be just as unsightly with all of the inconsistency. Anyway, perhaps when Final Fantasy IV Advance is released it will have less pixelated graphics we can use to portray the characters. &mdash; Warpedmirror 03:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, I changed the template to include Amano's artwork and the sprites at a smaller size to become less pixellated. Thoughts? warpedmirror  ( talk ) 17:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Good job on that. I like the new design, although the sprites in the "Other non-player characters" section are still huge. -- D a l k a e n T / C 22:03, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * FF4 Advanced is out (which I've been playing through), and it looks to me like while the sprites are not higher resolution, they DO have a higher bitdepth (more colours used). So many of them look quite a bit nicer than the SNES ones presented here. In addition, some of the sprites, most notably those use for villains, need to be properly resized using bilinear or bicubic filtering, as they are being shrunk to fit in their allotted space. Guspaz 20:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Names to use
I wanted to point out that between the three English versions of Final Fantasy IV, different names of some characters (specifically the Elemental Fiends/Devils/Lords) have changed throughout. I updated the page to use the FFIV Advance names of these four characters - as they are clearly references to The Divine Comedy. With a new, thinner font in the Game Boy Advance enhanced remake more room was provided in the enemy box to fit in the full names of Scarmiglione, Barbariccia, etc. I propose that names used in the most recent translation of the game should be used in this article (as well as the other FF character articles). Any oppositions? &mdash; warpedmirror  ( talk ) 20:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I have no oppositions to the using of the GBA names for the Fiends, as they are obviously a reference to the Divine Comedy, but I feel the Four "Elemental Lords" should remain referred to as the Four Fiends. The Four Fiends of Final Fantasy IV are obviously a reference (or rebirth, if you believe all the Final Fantasies are connected) to the Four Fiends of Final Fantasy I. In the GBA rerelease of Final Fantasy I in Dawn of Souls, the four are still referred to as the Four Fiends, and they always have been called the Four Fiends in America. Plus the Four Elemental Lords just sounds retarded. I suggest referring to them as "The Four Fiends (Elemental Lords in the GBA rerelease)" as opposed to "The Four Elemental Lords (Fiends in the SNES and PS1 releases)" But leave the actual names as they are. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.249.138 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 30 December 2005(UTC).


 * Yes, but there is the question of continuity. No release of FFIV ever calls Scarmiglione an Elemental Fiend.  And why would Square Enix retranslate the term from Fiend to Lord if they wanted them to be referred to as Lords?  It is generally accepted that the games in the main FF series are not connected.  No one makes any reference to the Light Warriors or the FFI quest in FFIV.  And while I do agree that Fiends sounds better than Lords, that doesn't really justify that it should be used. &mdash;  warpedmirror  ( talk ) 19:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

There are a lot of retranslations in the new rerelease that would have made more sense untranslated. Are you saying you believe it's better to remove the connection of the Four Fiends of FFI and the Four "Elemental Lords" of FFIV? Whether the FFs are related or not, it's obvious that a connection is meant to be there. If Square had retranslated the characters in Dawn of Souls as the Four Elemental Lords, then I would understand your choice to choose it over Fiends. I'd be interested in seeing whether the direct translation of the group in Dawn of Souls is Elemental Lords, as I suspect, or Fiends. If they're named differently in Japan, then there's no question about it, but otherwise, I think it should be left as Fiends. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by AstroFlameX (talk • contribs) 23:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC).


 * The new trivia section (hopefully) clears everything up. The article uses the most recent translation, but makes it clear that the original translation was Fiends &mdash; a blatant reference to the characters in a group of the same found in FFI and FFIX.  I hope this resolves everything.  (Also, note that it is custom to sign your posts on Wikipedia.  Do this by adding four tildes ( ~ ) to each post you make on a talk page.)  &mdash;  warpedmirror  ( talk ) 23:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Alternate Zeromus sprite
From the Easy-type version of Japan's FF4.

http://www.ffcompendium.com/chara/4zeromus-b3.gif

Character surnames
Where do these names come from? They are not mentioned at all in the game. HeroOfVirtue 23:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)HeroOfVirtue
 * They're from a myriad of other sources, including game guides and the included instruction booklets...—ウルタプ 04:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not that I doubt it, of course. It's just that I have never seen them prior to looking at this article. HeroOfVirtue 21:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder, though, if the surnames should be used outside of the "(known as '[JP name]' in Japan)" blurb, given that the surnames have never been officially published in any English materials, only in the Japanese materials. T.J. Fuller, Jr. 17:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Character articles
I have redirected all of the characters here because of the various mergers of other Final Fantasy characters to their lists. Only notable multiple game characters need them. They also don't have any content besides plot summaries, which goes against WP:NOT. Nemu 20:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * But, but, they were better written than this page! The descriptions here need heavy rewriting and should be "paragraphized". Kariteh 21:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I really can't see too much of a difference in quality. Besides, It should take about the same amount of effort to get these up to standards as it would take to summarize the articles. Nemu 21:32, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets try to improve the prose of the article in preparation for trying to reach GA status :) I'm sure a lot of the old text can be copyedited back here without bloating the article. 06:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Gilbart vs Gilbert
I see that someone has posted the bard prince's Japanese name as "Gilbart", referrencing the Japanese FFIVA website. However, isn't it that all the Japanese instruction manuals up to this point have labelled him as "Gilbert", with the website as a rare mistransliteration? Could someone check those manuals and fix the citation if this is true? T.J. Fuller, Jr. 17:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about Japanese manuals and such, but i just checked the DS site, and it spells it as "Gilbart".The Great Morgil (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

FFIV DS Images
Shouldn't we update the pix of Cecil, Rosa, Cain, Rydia, and Yang with the FF4 DS art.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fractyl (talk • contribs) 12:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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Sequel on the way, with new characters...
Well, Final Fantasy IV the After: Tsuki no Kikan (Return of the Moon) is nearing release, and we already know that it'll have two or three new characters, including Cecil's son (Ceodore, named after Golbeza's real name?), a new female antagonist, and a mysterious man who may or may not be a new character. Old characters are also returning, 17 years older, with new looks, and I'm sure new backstory, in addition, of course, to regular story.

So, what I'm getting at is... This article may need to be restructured to keep in line with new plot developments in FF4TA. I'm not sure how this would be done, as the article is pretty rigidly arranged into playable characters / enemies / generic NPCs. The same format could be kept, with Ceodore being wedged into playable characters, and new stuff could be added like, "17 years after the events of the original game, Cecil is the ruler of Baron, and together with Rosa has fathered a child, named Ceodore," as part of a new paragraph? Perhaps throw in an "Appearances: Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy IV the After: Tsuki no Kikan"?

Any thoughts? WtW-Suzaku (talk) 03:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be "Theodore"? The Katakana used is the same used for the name "Theodore". I have never heard of the name "Ceodore". --Serph (talk) 21:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's Ceodore. It's been spelled as such several times on both the official Japanese website and in magazines. WtW-Suzaku (talk) 01:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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