Talk:Characters of the Final Fantasy XIII series

this article needs more pictures
for example one of each character and 2 for the characters that appear in both games.(1 for each game.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.208.59.120 (talk) 18:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

RfC: Proposal for move
This is an issue I have been in a discussion with here, but I feel a decision must be taken. Taking into account my former rash action, which shall not influence my judgement here, I want to propose a move or renaming of the article. Changing it from Characters of Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns to something like Characters of the Lightning Saga (while links on the Final Fantasy Character template can still use the simple Final Fantasy XIII name to avoid confusion).

The reason for this is quite plain: since the release of Final Fantasy XIII, there have been two sequels announced: one is already out (Final Fantasy XIII-2) and one shall release this autumn. Therefore, the old title was misleading. It was still treating the characters as if they were from one game, and were not featured or come from three different one released over five years. The reason I pick on Lightning Saga for the new title is because, since the announcement, Square Enix, or rather the game's creators Toriyama and Kisate, have been referring to the trilogy of games as the Lightning Saga, and these games have been classified as such in the Fabula Nova Crystallis template. Here are a few references that support the "Lightning Saga" title: 1, 2 3, 4. Readers will note that all the articles use the term "Lightning Saga" in their text.

I feel reluctant to do the move myself (given that the current, slightly messy title is my doing because of a hasty and ill-considered move), but once a consensus is reached as to the exact title under which this article should be known, the article can easily be moved by another, more experienced editor. But I do feel that, before we get lumbered with new characters Lightning Returns is sure to introduce, we should make it clear that there is more than one game involved here. Comments would be most appreciated. --ProtoDrake (talk) 21:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I would support the move, provided there is a strong ring of redirects to get there. It sounds like a reliably sources and common name, or will be, for the three games.Judgesurreal777 (talk) 11:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Support, obviously. Given the fact that the proposed title sounds like a more common name, I think that it should be moved. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support as well; I think that readers might recognize "of the Final Fantasy XIII series" more easily, even if it's wrong, but hey, that's what redirects are for. -- Pres N  01:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I was unaware of this discussion. I support it. Mainly because i pushed for it. xiii series does sound recognizeable, however could cause confusion once Versus XIII comes out.Lucia Black (talk) 10:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Since there seemed to be enough of a consensus, I have done the move. I have done it after much consideration, and reworked the article accordingly. Now new characters can be added when needed. And if we need to do redirects and create links that don't seem strange to people not in the know, I think that can be done easily enough. This is a start. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:11, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Either ProtoDrake's or PresN's title suggestion, as long as one redirects to the other, I think either would be good. Sergecross73   msg me   12:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I disagree with the title. When I saw it listed for GAN, I was at first confused by what it was referring, as I wasn't sure if it was referring to the FF13 trilogy or not. I think a plausible solution would be to make it Characters of the Lightning Saga (Final Fantasy XIII). This wouldn't be confusing. FFversusXIII shouldn't be an issue with this title as it's not in the Lightning Saga. -- JDC808  ♫  06:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That title makes no sense.Lucia Black (talk) 06:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It may sound alright at first, but it looks just as unwieldy as Characters of Final Fantasy XIII, XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. Also, I've explained about the title in the lead section. I took great pains over it, and the three games are being called the Lightning Saga by their development team. It would ahve been simpler if they'd called it the XIII Trilogy, but they didn't. I hope the title doesn't exclude it from being a GA? --ProtoDrake (talk) 07:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * This title surprised me too. Has it been used by an official Square Enix source as a title (in CAPS or italics) or with a logo? The source that was used to justify the current article name (do we have other sources?) is a transcript of a quote by Toriyama via an English translator. IGN chose to render it as 'Lightning Saga'. The uppercase S is likely an editorial choice by IGN since the translator was only speaking orally. They could have rendered it as 'Lightning saga'. Moreover, these inverted commas seem to suggest that it's something different than a bona fide title like Final Fantasy XIII, which IGN renders without inverted commas. Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. I get the picture. It may be odd for a specialist or someone who wants to be picky, but to call the "XIII trilogy" (since the thing has turned into a trilogy of games) or "series" makes it easier for laymen and will make redirects and links a lot less confusing. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned in the discussion at WT:SE, I prefer "Characters of the Final Fantasy XIII series". It seems like the title that requires the fewest logical leaps and is still obvious to a random reader who is not familiar with the backstory. "Trilogy" might be overly specific and locks out certain things we might want to include in the future. It also mirrors "Characters of the Final Fantasy VII series" which is nice. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. However that's what redirects are for sometimes. Its not officially considered a trilogy so it was a bad idea to move simply because one editor disagreed.Lucia Black (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Three actually. And it's too late. I tried to move it again, and the redirects are getting in the way. I've made a mess. I admit it. Please can someone else help with this? Get an administrator or something. --ProtoDrake (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a note, I may vanish for a while. Given my checkered moving track record and my relation to this article, I don't want to get too much into this anymore. I've made a mistake with the title three times already, and don't want to incur anyone's wrath. Bye for now. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Moved to 'Characters of the Final Fantasy XIII series' over the redirect. Don't worry about it, ProtoDrake, it only takes a second to do. I can move it around all day if need be. -- Pres N  22:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Mistakes happen. Just remember that some form of consensus is always needed for moving an article to a new name. Being bold is good though.Lucia Black (talk) 22:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd renominate, the debate over what to call it will probably be over long before it actually gets reviewed by anyone. Also, remember PresN is right, moving the article around is no issue, it's all part of it growing and developing, don't treat it like you did something wrong or disastrous, it's not even really an issue. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 02:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's renominated. Thank goodness for this. It's looking better, and the headache I had because of this has vanished.--ProtoDrake (talk) 07:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Ultimania details (plus something else)
I am using the Ultimanias as references (Specifically the XIII Scenario and Omega books and the XIII-2 Omega) to help put in details about the characters and background details. They look fine to me, but others might want a specific page number(s). Can anyone provide me with translations of some sort, or at least something that shows what info is on which page? Even if it's not needed now, it may well be later in either another article or this one. --ProtoDrake (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I have the XIII Scenario book but I can't read Japanese so I don't know where to look or what scan to post. :/ Jonathan Hardin&#39; (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible characters, maybe?
I was looking at all the stuff for the XIII games, and it came to me. Though they are or will be mentioned prodigiously in the games, and play a crucial part in their mythos and an active role in the story, Etro and Bhunivelze aren't here. Admittedly Bhunivelze should be saved until Lightning Returns is released and there is more to say about him, but Etro has had an enormous amount said about her. I don't think she's the only Final Fantasy character who does not have a voice actor or asserts herself as a powerful presence rather than as a physical being. Bhunivelze is likely to be similar, although he might get a voice actor. I know the gods appear in the whole Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos, but I think we could work round that. It seems a little silly to keep mentioning or referring to them over and over and saying nothing much about them. Note that this is a long-term discussion. We need to get all facts and details straightened out before I or anyone else puts anything in. (Oh, and an afterthought. Maybe the fal'Cie could be included, in the same vein as the Occuria from XII. Just a thought, given that they don't seem to be referenced in the other FNC games by that name.) --ProtoDrake (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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