Talk:Characters of the Metal Gear series/Archive 4

Gray Fox deserves his own article
So I proposed a split. (I've added some of reception I just came across accidentally, and there's much more.) --94.246.150.68 (talk) 16:38, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. --94.246.150.68 (talk) 18:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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Rational has been met to represent some of the characters, via the images. Jetijonez (talk) 17:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
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Is it possible to separate Sniper Wolf?
I've seen her on a plenty of top lists but she was in just one game (not counting the remake) and some merch. So I'm asking, should I try to do it, or maybe just add the reception here or something, I don't know. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 12:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Someone integrate the sections and the old articles content at Meryl Silverburgh, Liquid Snake and Hal Emmerich
Sniper Wolf and Psycho Mantis also deserve their own article (due to WP:N because of a plentiful critical reception). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 14:31, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

EVA too. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 14:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I meant "integrate", not "disintegrate", "Axem Titanium"
And regarding your "discussion":
 * 1) I don't need your permission, or anyone else's for that matter. Wikipedia pillars are WP:N, WP:RS and WP:V that all set clear rules about what articles are or are not allowed. And, to my best knowledge, these articles have not been blacklisted specifically or anything like that, so it's a standard procedure apllying to them.
 * But, in fact, I did discuss this issue, including right here. I asked in September of the last year about Sniper Wolf, a character much more minor than Otacon or Meryl, and yet nobody said a word to oppose it - and this including you. Also, I listed all 3 of them at Portal talk:Fictional characters, where they were gathering Reception sources for several months, and also nobody said anything against this proposal. So quit your "undiscussed" bullshit, "Axem".

And if you want to do something constructive, for a change, instead of vandalism and lies, then go and HELP me out with this. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and also see the section above. Dated 2008. Note how nobody said anything against this idea for 4 years - and this is including you, how strange (because you "forgot" again, or something). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Liquid Snake, Hal Emmerich and Meryl Silverburgh need to be expanded and integrated with this list article
I only really worked on Meryl but it's not up to date, the rest of them are stubs - obviously there's content here and in the old versions of their articles, but it's up to you now (and by "you" I of course mean anyone in the world). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 16:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * What's important here is being bold and civil. Don't expect all the other editors have played all the Metal Gear games or that they have free time enough to work on blank articles. Moreover, Meryl's in-universe informatiom is completely unsourced and citations need formatting.Tintor2 (talk) 17:21, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * above is not a consensus to split all these characters out, nor was it really a relevant discussion for the edits that have occurred this month. There seems to be a lot of discussion going on in personal talk spaces rather than on this page, and I think that's where there's some confusion going on as various people have gotten involved. The Meryl stub looks fairly fleshed out, but really needs some resources that aren't based solely on reception or Top 10 style lists. The other two seem very empty though. What is the rationale you see for splitting out the stubs? Notability itself doesn't necessarily demand a separate article, as they have to have notability to including in this List article as well. -- ferret (talk) 18:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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 * Discussion is also being carried in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games and since are more editors involved there, I think it should be better to follow it there unless comments are moved.Tintor2 (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * It'll be important to keep the comments here to ensure consensus is obvious and tied to the article in question. The WPVG talk page archives very clearly and the section could be lost in the shuffle. -- ferret (talk) 19:32, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Tossing my input in here from looking at Meryl's sources: GamePro's (incorrectly attributed to GameSpot) is a joke article, especially with the last entry being Jack Thompson. The Complex source also doesn't seem to be recoverable, even after fixing the url and trying it on web archive: they just didn't record it. It's already weak before you take out those two, and Google has no book sources for "Metal Gear"+Meryl.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Moving on to Otacon (Hal Emmerich for those of you playing at home), the last source can't be used, it's an open online poll. The "Greatest Jews" article seems as odd here as it does in Meryl's...not too keen on it. But there is more being said here than in Meryl's article at least, and a few more sources could bulk it up to let it stand alone.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:33, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Read what I just wrote at Talk:List of Tekken characters. 2 more cents:


 * I wasn't even really looking for reception for any of them, it's just the random stuff that I've been only came upon accidentally and noting to use (at Portal talk:Fictional characters - some of these sources became even defunct in the meantime, as noted by you). There's of course much more, so CONTRIBUTE - don't you see the "expand section" tag there, as well as the stub tags? And the "empty section" sections to fill, with the old content, current content, and selected stuff from the wikias, and to source all of it - but it's up to you (everyone) now, because I just laid the groundwork, more or less, burt that's all because I'm positively sure I'm not the only Wikipedia editor still alive (an article that I actually worked on recently is Taki (Soulcalibur), and before it Mileena and Kitana (Mortal Kombat), if you want to see what I can do when I really try my best - I could do just the same with most others, but only if I had unlimited time on my hands).


 * But if you do search for more, try to do any better than this wild claim by you of Google has no book sources for "Metal Gear"+Meryl - because if you search properly she has 659 sources, for god's sake. And you just don't know how to search! 124 are even for "Meryl Silverburgh" (the full name) is also far from "none", including Interactive Storytelling for Video Games, Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition and... Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Operation Barracuda (I'm just as surprised as you). But seriously, learn how to use Google already, that's amazing that you still can't do it (and I'll tell what you were doing wrong: the "+" in your search entries destroys the results you get, because you make it search instead for things like "Metal Gear Meryl" in this example, so no wonder you can't never ever find anything there).

And that's all folks. Now, start being contructive, by contributing to the articles instead of being needlessly obstructive (literally). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 13:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and regarding "but really needs some resources that aren't based solely on reception or Top 10 style lists": where is it such a thing written in WP:N? Anyway: note that I posted the expand-section tags, that mean "this section should be expanded". Jesus Christ, seriously guys. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 14:06, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Seriously, calm down. It would have been a bit more helpful if you are more civilized. And also, the notable entries in the top 10 list aren't exactly detailed. Other stuff exists is not really a valid argument to continue repeating the same past mistakes. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 15:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

A big message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games for you guys to read and maybe realize something. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 17:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, if this keeps up, I will be forced to do something as I cannot tolerate the personal attacks and disruption any further. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:12, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Nihongo and names
I added the Japanese names to several characters listed in the article, but I still cannot find the ones for Pettrovich Madnar, Fortune (whose real name is Helena Dolph Jackson), Laughing Octopus, Raging Raven, Huey Emmerich, Chico Libre, Hot Coldman and Amanda Valenciano Libre. Since I have no experience with romaji and macrons, I also have not added them, so it might be better if somebody who knows more of Japanese check the article. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)