Talk:Characters of the Street Fighter series/Archive 1

Category
Every article should be categorized, and in my opinion, this article should be in the Category:Street Fighter characters. --surueña 10:13, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

Featured List
All this article needs is sources and it could probably be a Featured List candidate. Kariteh 13:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Doubt it, this type of article shouldn't even be in Wikipedia but one of its sister-projects as it consists only of tables. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  19:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not an article, it's a list. See List of Nintendo 64 games and List of Virtual Boy games for instance. Kariteh 19:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My mistake. Sorry. Ashnard  Talk  Contribs  06:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I took the Initiative and added the SF IV section and put a yes under Akuma.
Is this a good start? If anyone takes doesn't like it, they can revert it back before I continue with it. Wingedregent (talk) 02:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Is Akuma confirmed for SF4? I haven't seen mention or screen shots of him yet.  The Wikipedia entry for SF4 also doesn't mention him yet.  Do you have a source?  Jeremyh113 (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Article for SFIV had him on the list for awhile, possibly due to someone saying they read that bit of info in the same Famitsu Issue that showed Crimson Viper for the first time. I put him as "yes" since it seems that more than a few people have reported reading that same fact from translating some of the text. Wingedregent (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd wish Ono would just tell us whether akuma is in it or not because I am starting to get pissed off about it. Lasttiger (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Added Missing Street Fighter 4 Columns and Known Fighters
I added the column "IV" to each of the tables on this page and marked the known fighters for that game based on the entry on the Street Fighter 4 Wikipedia page. I noticed somebody already marked Camy as "yes" for Street Fighter 4, but it doesn't seem to be confirmed yet from either the Wikipedia entry or famitsu screen shots ( http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1213478_1124.html ). Can anyone provide a source? Jeremyh113 (talk) 21:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Several unimportant characters don't have their articles, however, some still do. I propose that they be merged here. FightingStreet (talk) 18:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Some of the characters you deemed unimportant such as Gouken and Goutetsu are important. Other characters such as Sawada and Urien aren't. I say keep Goutetsu, Gouken, and all the Alpha characters articles and improve them and merge the SF3 characters. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 18:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

You should know my stance by default: expand what you can, then consider merging. A lot of these character pages could be done better. A few of these though should be merged, but not on the grand scale you're wanting to propose (i.e. Yun and Yang, seriously? The brothers appear in plenty of games out of anyone else in SF3)

The mess made after the last group of mergings you did is still being cleaned up FightingStreet :P--Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:08, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Alex (Street Fighter) should be merged into Street Fighter III. FightingStreet (talk) 11:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Possible. He is involved a bit more in the past SF than the others at least (i.e. punching out Balrog) and there's the fact he was the "hero" of the series. His only appearance however was CFJ, which really did nothing at all for his storyline. No problem here if he's merged in the end.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Expanding on that a little and looking over the articles, the SF3 ones I would recommend to keep separate still are Ibuki's, Gill, Urien, Hugo, Sean, and Yun & Yang. The others just don't have enough info available to really go with full articles. A sub-list might be better than footnotes on the SF3 page like some of the pages currently are, but I leave this to your discretion.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't mean to intrude, but is there any chance that we're gonna end this nonsense and get back on our merry way? FightingStreet's gone (unfortunately, good luck to him), so I thought that this proposal is no longer legit. --ZeroGiga (Contact) 3:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I vote for keeping ALL characters in one article. I like Street Fighter as anybody else, but I don't deem it encyclopedic in any way of the word. If there's a need for articles on the characters &mdash; which I don't think so since the articles I have seen are mostly a compendium of trivia &mdash; I vote for having everything neatly in one place.--23:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think all the characters should have seperate articles. Well, actually, they already do. --Wikinerd20 (talk) 23:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Cammy T.Hawk and Dee Jay
Should be placed under console maybe. Since there is a chance Fei Long is in the console version, I am almost certain the other 3 will be for the console as well, If Fei Long makes the cut that is, but he will probably be in it even if the designers didn't intend to put him in the game so fans won't get upset lol. Anyway, does anybody object to this theory?Lasttiger (talk) 00:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just wait till something's officially confirmed. That's the best that can be said here. It's hard to tell who'll be in with Ono.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, perhaps your right. But I am almost certain if Fei Long makes the cut, Cammy, T.Hawk, and Dee Jay will join as well but I have no source to prove that so I'll just leave it alone for now.Lasttiger (talk) 02:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

T. Hawk merge proposal
It's, well, T. Hawk. As things go he's effectively bottom totem pole (no pun intended) and there doesn't seem to be discussion anywhere about him. Even the guy behind the live action fighting game excluded him due to not caring about the character. Could merging him into here be the best bet in the long run?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Does anyone ever actually read these anymore?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Question about merger
I just have to ask, why is there a merger with all these articles? Is there a problem with the server? Because I didn't think any of the character's pages were stubs. I have already read that if I wanted a character to have a separate page, I could request it, but I doubt I would be heard. I can understand the guys that debutted from Street Fighter III (as well as some Final Fight charactes such as Cody, Rolento and Sodom) as well as Dee Jay, T. Hawk, and Street Fighter III characters such as Alex, Ibuki, Gill and Urien all them really need a separate page. David Pro (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't loose your time, Kung Fu Man thinks that he is the owner of Wikipedia or at least, the owner of all the videogames related articles. Your opinion doesn't count, he will do whatever he wants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.226.7.202 (talk) 06:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Charlie...Nash?
Charlie's dog tag (as seen in Guile's prologue video in Street Fighter 4) lists his full name as Charlie Nash.

Is this canon/notable enough for inclusion/clarification? Pictures can be supplied if needed. Gerk (talk) 02:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose it could be changed to Charlie Nash. Was it shown in his alpha series profiles? Very curious.Tintor2 (talk) 02:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure this is the first time the character's been assigned a surname (or in the case of the Japanese character, a given name.) Gerk (talk) 02:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Should be enough to use the cite game template and set "level" to "Prologue of Guile" for a reference there.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Mouse Generation
Do we really need to list the characters from Mouse Generation in this article? Most of them are just licensed characters from Japanese media franchises and Chinese wuxia novels. There's only one original character in the game. It would be like adding all characters from X-Men vs. SF and Marvel vs. SF to the list. I think we could do without them. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

alex = alexei zalazov?
appearances are rather similar, trademark move is the same (rapid-fire "bladed" punches), and, if classic american pro wrestling is to be believed, the majority of pro wrestlers w/a "foreigner" gimmick are usually american in real life. also, capcom has been known to include characters from other series in street fighters, so it's not a completely out-there suggestion. --173.103.148.70 (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Sakura should not be merged
I don't know why the Sakura Kasugano article has been merged in this list. She has been a recurrent character in the Street Fighter series, and she should have her own article. There's any explanation why Sakura has been merged here? David Pro (talk) 12:52, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually there has been an explanation .Tintor2 (talk) 13:49, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I've recently opened a MedCab discussion on this topic. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the edit/merge/revert warring to stop until the editors have come to a consensus one way or the other. David Pro (talk) 14:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. I have a bone to pick with you.

This is Wikipedia. Just because it's "the free encyclopedia" doesn't mean it has to have every little bit of information about every single thing in existence. And yet, I see articles like Ryu (Street Fighter) or Blanka that are massive, bloated, and detail every little bit of history about them despite the fact there are other, more appropriate places for video game character information. Given that articles such as Simon Belmont or Bass (Mega Man) have been merged into larger articles with less information about them, I propose...again...a merging of all the existing Street Fighter character pages into this article. This merge affects the following pages: Akuma (Street Fighter) Balrog (Street Fighter), Blanka, Cammy, Chun-Li, Dan Hibiki, Dhalsim, Edmond Honda, Gouken, Guile (Street Fighter), Ken, M. Bison, Rufus (Street Fighter), Ryu (Street Fighter), Vega (Street Fighter), Zangief, Mike Haggar, and Poison (Final Fight). Important note: Sheng Long is exempt from this particular proposal on the grounds that he started life as a mistranslation, then a hoax on EGM's part and eventually became Gouken. The article on Sheng Long is more about the legend than the character.

I could throw a lot of "terms of service" jargon and "rules and regulations" gobbledegook at you folks, but why bother? The fact of the matter remains that Wikipedia is being choked to death by garbage articles like the aforementioned when a brief history or paragraph works just as well in most cases. Wikipedia simply does not need so much information about things that have such little relevance in the real world, especially in cases where there are much more relevant places to find such information. If you folks desperately need information about Mike Haggar or Ken Masters, might I suggest the Street Fighter Wiki? Not enough info in those places? Request more. Have info you'd like to contribute? Add to them.

Thank you for your time. 12:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Support. There isn't much to know about these characters - their storylines in the games are simplistic and there isn't much information out there about their development. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If the problem is just the storylines then why don't cleaning them up rather than merging them? Most of them pass WP:Notability allowing them to have their own articles, while Rufus' article is even GA. Belmont and Bass were merged because they did not pass notability, not because of their storylines sections.Tintor2 (talk) 15:04, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Not sure about the other articles notabilities but Poison and Rufus are both Good articles so definately shouldnt be merged. Id be in father of opposing the merges on all of the articles but then i dont no much about the characters. Salavat (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment  "This is Wikipedia. Just because it's "the free encyclopedia" doesn't mean it has to have every little bit of information about every single thing in existence " . Almost every videogamer knows Ryu and Ken from the streetfighter games. one of the most sucessful and known Videogameseries ever made.They appear in over 20 Videogames and a few Animemovies/Series, the SF movie, they are parts of collegehumor`s SF - the later years.  To compare articles about them with the term "smallest bit of information" is like a...sorry if it sounds biased but..its like a "dragonpunch" into the face of the many people which look at the wikipedia for informations about them. Simon Belmont, as interesting as he was in the Castlevania Games and back then in the Captain N cartoon series was only one time the main character in a Castlevania Game. Each castlevania game foccusses on a different Belmont or totally other maincharacters. About Bass from the Megaman series, its similar. And then refering to a streetfighter wiki? Come on, whats your goal to have hundreds of wikis in the net everyone with a small userbase and every wiki for a niche? decentralized knowledge instead of a combined one? "one wiki for this one for that?" GBK2010 (talk) 15:51, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose These articles have individual pages because they have established notability. If you think they are "massive, bloated, and detail every little bit of history" then trim what you think is excessive. Content should help the reader understand the character, which sometimes requires telling a bit of what they have done. These pages will not be merged though. They have Reception sections that allow them to have a separate page. Other pages you mentioned that have been merged did not have reception that passed Notablity requirements. Just to clarify... You will not get these pages merged. There is nothing wrong with them. You are going against guidelines. Blake (Talk·Edits) 15:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose and quick fail. Clearly a bad faith nomination from someone upset by their favourite characters not having articles. The mere virtue that the user blindly included GAs into the merge proposal shows that he is more concerned with their status as fictional characters than their established notability. Few things: Creation info does not matter for notability. If we know why the creators wanted to create Blanka, it's no more notable. It just has more reason to be split apart. But without that extra creation info, we also have numerous appearances in video games, films, television shows, and other media, plus reception for the character.
 * Oh, and Bass has never, and will never be even remotely comparable to how well-known half of the Street Fighter cast, let alone Chun-Li, Ken, Ryu, M. Bison, and Blanka. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 17:54, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'll put the same rationale I put on the King of Fighters talk page: "I like the second sentence of this proposal: "I have a bone to pick with you". That, basically, is your entire rationale, because anyone who actually reads the articles you propose merging sees that they are well-written and certainly pass notability standards. Read WP:IDONTLIKEIT, then read it again, because that is what you are arguing from; you don't think these characters are important, so your opinion trumps guidelines. You operate from the view that video games and characters are insignificant to the real world; this is a dying view, as I find more and more serious academics publishing papers on them just as they would a purely literary figure. Here is just one example. In short, your base argument worldview itself is no longer academically accepted, not to mention the fact that your proposal ignores Wikipedia policy left and right." Cheers! Scapler (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Rather than repeat myself here, I've decided to just link to my "further rationale" post found down at the bottom of this page. 10:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per pretty much everyone else as well. These characters have appeared in two live action films, multiple games, anime, as action figures, and in the case of Balrog was even inspired by a real person.  Any ones that have both development and reception sections and who have multiple appearances are unquestionably salvageable.  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose No sense in me repeating the same arguments everyone else has made. And when the merge proposal fails, hopefully no one will rampage through the articles in question and start deleting 90% of the information because they consider it bloated fancruft.  I see that happening far too often.   D r e a m Focus  20:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't worry about that. If (or at this point, when) the proposal fails, I'll fade back into obscurity and probably forget I even mentioned it in the first place.  ;P   21:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I oppose the merging of articles in this instance as sufficient third person evidence has been provided to assert the individual articles notability. I feel editors who complain about fancruft fail to realise is too many articles especially those based on works of fiction have often too much writing based on original research without reliable sources to back up statements or just as bad fansites as reliable evidence.

Dwanyewest (talk) 06:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree to merge some articles, but not all. For example, some of them are very good, with good writing and references, but fail to demonstrate its relevance, like Rufus and Poison. In those cases, I am against keeping them as separate articles, but Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li and Cammy merged into a laaaaaaaaarge list of minor characters? Hmm... I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.230.103.24 (talk) 14:44, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Read WP:Notability; Poison and Rufus pass it.Tintor2 (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Results
Movement denied! A little over a week has passed and, to put it crudely, "I got pwned." The votes are largely (almost unanimously) against the merge. But hey! I tried. Better to try and fail than fail to try, I say. XD Thanks for your patience, folks. I'll be cleaning up my own mess now. See you next time! 06:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Names
Please do NOT use unofficial sur or forenames for Chun Li and Ryu and other characters unless verified by Capcom canon. 13:12, 14 March 2010 (GMT)

Hakan
any confirmation on this guy? or is some one blowing smoke out of there back sides? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.21.106.232 (talk) 03:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Second option. He's just a rumor. --uKER (talk) 04:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Hakan was revealed on IGN Today as a confirmed character. 216.15.71.127 (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Ingrid section
it says vega had the physco power, didn't Bison had it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Vega is the Japanese name for M. Bison. Grimbear13 (talk) 13:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Rufus splitting off?!
I was very surprised to see Rufus getting his own article.

Firstly, and most importantly, he's not in the least bit notable. SFIV is still brand new, so currently has no long-term appeal. Furthermore, Rufus is not significant to the plot or gameplay of SFIV.

Secondly, the article itself seems worthless, as it consists of a retelling of his story, a shallow description of his moves and appearance, and then a couple of throwaway one-liners from magazines.

Maybe if Rufus is included in more games later on, or else becomes otherwise popular or noteworthy, we could set the article back up, but wikipedia is not designed to be a rambling page about every character in every game ever released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.96 (talk) 17:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Simply being in only one game isn't reason to merge an article: see Nicole (Dead or Alive) or Necrid. Also the article isn't done, I just got tired of writing at a dead run.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:27, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

In contrast, just because Rufus is your favorite character, that's not enough reason for him to be split out. At the moment Rufus is just 7 paragraphs of surface-observation- anybody would come up with fat/fast/comedic within 15 minutes. There is no meat to the article, and nobody would learn anything from reading it. Surely it's better to continue a Rufus section in here until it gets big and noteworthy enough to be split, rather than the other way around? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.96 (talk) 11:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa, assume some good faith here. I split it off because there was enough content. If you've paid attention everyone else on the talk page agrees there's enough to satisfy notability besides you. Down the line any of the other characters can be split off too: I haven't dug enough for Seth, El Fuerte, Abel or Viper.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * After a quick look around we can officially forget about Seth amounting to anything as an article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:29, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Gen doesn't get his own article but Rufus does?--209.211.21.2 (talk) 10:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Rufus is actually a huge deal in the world of video games. Though you may not think it important he's the first fat character to have "boob physics" applied to his belly.  Also he was praised as one of the better additions to the game noting the comedic style of his move as well as the usefulness of his combos (if I'm not mistaken by IGN).  Many of the other characters listed in earlier responses to this post have low impact on the gaming industry.  This is the primary reason I would support Rufus' article, no he's not my favorite character either. Grimbear13 (talk) 13:48, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Against Merging
I can understand why several of the articles have been merged into this one collaborative one. However I would like to state a reason why I believe many should be allowed to stand on their own. The games themselves provide minimal story and information about the characters. Therefore it is extremely useful to have an abundance of information on here so that it is both readily accessible and documented to be taken as factual. I know that personally I learned a lot about the characters just by reading through their pages. Whether that be because I missed something or misinterpretted something, or I just wasn't good enough with the character to be able to finish whatever game they're from with said character. Or the possibility that I never played the game. I know that it spurn my interest in several of the older games and made me investigate things I never would have prior to reading the articles, and isn't that the core purpose of Wikipedia? I just wanted to get that out there. Grimbear13 (talk) 14:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Update the previously mentioned could be a moot point since I recently found out that Capcom is planning on releasing an encyclopedia of Street Fighter --  Grimbear13  ►Talk  18:17, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Sagat
I don't know why Sagat got merged, unlike of all the other three Street Fighter II bosses who have his own articles. He is a major Street Fighter character worthy of his own article. Boasts more game appearances than even T. Hawk and Adon, and Sagat is a regular in the Street Fighter games. Why is his article missing? I mean a main article. If Balrog, Vega and M. Bison get one then surely Sagat should.

Is there any explanation? David Pro (talk) 14:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with you, Sagat is one of the more important characters in the series. I was shocked and angry why the editors would remove his page while all the other SF2 originals get to keep theirs Jcdizon (talk) 10:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

And let's not forget how there was a rapper whose stage name was Sagat. He modeled his appearance after the character, and scored a hit in the mid-1990s with "Funk Dat." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.183.86 (talk) 09:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Rufus, being featured in the grand total of ONE game, gets an article and Sagat, who has been in every single SF game, doesn't? WTF? --uKER (talk) 11:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Rufus has an article because it passes WP:Notability. Sagat had little reception so it was merged.Tintor2 (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

And all of the other SF2 chars got reception? ZANGEIF got better reception than Sagat? Sagat should definetley have an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.120.163 (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * If you think so, then search for it.Tintor2 (talk) 12:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with the notion of Sagat having his own article due to his relationships with so many characters and, from what I've heard, interesting backstory. However I harshly disagree with how you are going about gettin this article approved by flaming other characters whom you either don't like or think are unimportant.  Look into the characters you are mentioning, Rufus and Zangief, and you may understand why they are important.  I stated earlier in a post why I feel the Rufus article is okay.  Zangief is a character made near the end of the Cold war and was a member of the Soviet Union.  That would be kind of a big deal for the time, as well as one of the only characters (at the time) with no projectiles or means to close distances thus requiring balances to the character (he takes less damage and deals significantly more.  Grimbear13 (talk) 14:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that Balrog should have his own article because we can't have merged all the original SF2 characters here. David Pro (talk) 23:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


 * There needs to be a better reason than that. Articles that were merged did not follow wikipedia's guidelines and stating they can't be merged because they are from SF2 is not proper reason.Tintor2 (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Seth's Origin: Rainbow Edition
I noticed that your information on Seth was lacking his origins. He was inspired by SF2:Rainbow Edition. This version of SF2 allowed players to change characters mid-game just like Mortal Kombat. A very fancy combo used by professional players was SonicBoom, change player to sim, teleport behind enemy xx change player to gief, SPD. This is a BnB(bread and butter) combo used by Seth in SF4. I do not have a link or an article to prove this. The information I received was given to me from word of mouth from several different people at NEC '09. I figured this may be a good starting point if people are interested in pursuing this. Kire317 (talk) 13:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Cody...billups?
the cody section needs cleaning up...I lack the skills and the determination to fix it, but I will report it...so if anyone cares enough about cody PHILIPS, then...it's messed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.98.252 (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Images
There are currently a lot of non-free images in this article which appears to be abusing of the Non-free content guideline. Moreover there are individual images for characters who already have their own article or even artboxes of video games whose captions barely explain the point of the image. Additionally, none of the images contain a non-free media rationale for this article which makes me think that whoever added them was not aware of guidelines. Finally, a user stated in adding in the images "See similar pages for Mortal Kombat, Tekken, Guilty Gear, they all have over 4 images. I've modified this to a compromise (one image per series"; other stuff is not a valid argument especially considering that the mentioned example are in need of having their images removed. With all these points, the images clearly need to be removed unless some have reasonable use which I don't see.Tintor2 (talk) 02:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is about how the characters are unique and distinctive and recognisable. Images seem the obvious way of illustrating this. Also, each sub-series has it's own drawing style, and this point is demonstrated also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.141.22.125 (talk) 01:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Text demonstrates very easily that the art style is different between games. We do not need images to illustrate that the art style changes. We use references to illustrate how the characters are unique, distinctive, and recognisable. Again, logically, shouldn't every single character to ever appear in the series have an image on this page? - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * it's easier to add an image of all the characters instead of individual images to show one character. the article is simply a list of characters, which ever one is significant and iconic that doesn't appear in the group may have an individual image, but if there are more than 3, that came from the same game maybe merging the images to show them is better.Bread Ninja (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kind of redundant to place images on here for characters who already have their own articles. Sure, it might work as one per series, but how about pictures of characters who don't have their own articles? Also, isn't there a large image of all SF characters to date out there? The List of Mortal Kombat characters has one of those images and it works fine for the article. Albeit, it might be difficult to find some characters in the image, it still shows them in some form. It could definitely work the same way for this article. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Notability
What decides which SF characters get their article and which have their bios here on this page? Because I had no idea that Dee Jay was considered notable. Alex.liu064 (talk) 22:57, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd tell you to read Notability (fiction), but to make it short, fictional characters need third-party sources, talking about the character's impact (see the reception sections).Tintor2 (talk) 23:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. Alex.liu064 (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Splitting characters
Since Guy and Makato have been split I thing Balrog should be split. I think there is enough info to justify a solo article I could be wrong. Surely there must be enough info to justify characters like Sagat to have a solo article too what are other people's opinion. Dwanyewest (talk) 23:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Balrog has a nice start, but needs a few more sources. Blake (Talk·Edits) 17:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * What about about Sakura (Street Fighter) Dwanyewest (talk) 06:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sakura has a nice start, but needs a bit more. Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

More effort finding sources for individuals
It clear that articles such as Dee Jay, Crimson Viper and more recently Elena (Street Fighter) which were part of the List of Street Fighter characters have shown to be independently notable. It just needed people to find independent sources I believe more characters should be split such as User:New Age Retro Hippie/Oro Sakura (Street Fighter), Cody (Final Fight), Balrog (Street Fighter) and Dudley (Street Fighter). Dwanyewest (talk) 02:18, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * True, they need more sources. However, your sources from that MTV SSFIV guide just won't do. There wasn't even any info in them relevant to their sections.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 11:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * POssibly use citation from other media where the character has made other appearances. I'm sure Sakura has made a significant ammount. I think there have been two anime's where sakura has been featured and a manga based on her i think....i'm not exactly sure about that one.Bread Ninja (talk) 13:59, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sakura (Street Fighter) I believe is the strongest candidate I have suggested for splitting as she has information on her creation and a reception. Dwanyewest (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, aren't you supposed to start a conversation in the talk page when suggesting a split? Also, I'm pretty sure that template is supposed to be used when the sections are actually ready to be split, as opposed to promising that you'll add sources later. Unless you think that the tagged articles are already good for splitting. If that's the case, then I have doubts about Dudley.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 22:02, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sakura does not have enough sources to split. There is one development source and 3 reception sources. 2 of the reception points just say "Sakura was listed in a "top x characters" list." Just being listed does not establish notability. There needs to be some commentary. Also, you need a lot more sources then you have now. Like 5-10 is the standard. If 3 sources were all that articles needed to be split, then 300/600 of the Pokemon species would have split articles. Blake (Talk·Edits) 22:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sakura doesn't need to be split, Cody doesn't need to be split, Dudley doesn't need to be split. Balrog I strongly support, Oro I'm on the fences with. Sinfully Wickid (talk) 20:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what I'm missing, but I don't see much on Balrog. As for Oro, I'm split, too. Maybe just a bit more of... something, and he'd be good.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 22:15, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Why no to "empty sections"
It's:
 * 1) ugly-looking
 * 2) not really needed
 * 3) plain wrong (because the sections are NOT empty) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.145.185.229 (talk) 10:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) it has "citation needed" tagged info that need to be sourced, but
 * 5) this article is ALREADY over 100 KB long anyway (according to Article size: "Almost certainly should be divided").

List of characters in the Soul series or List of Dead or Alive characters‎ are both under 100 KB, so there's no problem about it, but articles like List of Mortal Kombat characters have only redirects to keep the article from being too bloated (it's 97 KB anyway). --194.145.185.229 (talk) 10:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Splitting Fei Long what do others think?
Obviously someone has proposed that Fei Long should be split what are other peoples opinions on the subject I am on the fence if more sources can be found I am very much for it. Dwanyewest (talk) 16:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support - He has quite some reception and not only is he well known as a street fighter character but also as the most well known example of Brucesploitation in video games. - SuperTiencha (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Now it has been suggested that T. Hawk needs to split and given his own article. If these article are too be split I believe that Dudley (Street Fighter) should be split also as it has just as much third person information as Fei Long. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:43, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Support on Dudley - That's actually alot more reception than I though it had.


 * I strongly suggest that one of you make the split. I can see that there is support for a split, but someone not directly involved in the article would not be able to make a viable articl, whereas you probably would. Op47 (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I did a premilinary split of Fei Long for you, but it needs to be properly developed now (which I'm not going to do). Also, Maki Genryusai. --Niemti (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Splitting Dudley and others what do other people think?
Since Fei Long and others such as Oro (Street Fighter) have shown to be notable if some third person sources can be found. There are characters which nominated for separation such as T. Hawk which I personally believe shouldn't be split as there is a lack of third person information. Dudley (Street Fighter) I think potentially should be split as it has just as much third person reception as Fei Long, Cody (Final Fight) I am surprised has not got a solo article surely he must have as much third person info as Guy and Haggar? What do other editors think?Dwanyewest (talk) 23:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Support on Dudley being split - He has quite alot of reception and has even more than I thought he had. - SuperTiencha (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Cody's actually not split. Maybe he should be, but he's not. --Niemti (talk) 06:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)


 * What about him split? Or Charlie, he's got the biggest section here. --Niemti (talk) 07:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Dudley (Street Fighter)'s up, now expand and update him to you heart's content. --Niemti (talk) 07:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Cody (Final Fight) I am certain should have his own article there must be more solo information on him I think Birdie (Street Fighter) is a strong candidate for a solo article. Dwanyewest (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Nah, not Birdie. He could have been Kurtis Stryker of Street Fighter, but he's not quite even this. --Niemti (talk) 21:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Here you go, Cody (Final Fight), now work on it. --Niemti (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

And I'm actually still unsure about Dudley and Cody. But hey, you wanted them. --Niemti (talk) 14:51, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Problem in Hokuto section & maybe other sections
Most of the List of Street Fighter characters section is written in the past tense, as if it were back-story. Remember, the story in the games/manga/etc should be in the present tense. Only back-story should be in the past tense. Needs attention from an editor who is familiar with the games. --Stfg (talk) 16:29, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Observation...
Mike Haggar isn't a original character from Marvel vs. Capcom series and Poison isn't a original character from Street Fighter vs. Tekken series and yes from Final Fight series! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.79.232.193 (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Differentiating between Alpha series games in table
Currently, the second note of the table refers to characters who appear in "later iterations of the game," meaning stuff like Super Turbo or SSF4. When it comes to the Alpha series, though, I have two problems: First, Alpha 2 and 3 are more close to sequels than just a "later iteration." Second... this is a really minor thing, but one category having 27 notes seems much to me. I know this might tread into too much detail and require plenty of work, but I feel like it's something that needs to get fixed. Thoughts?  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 02:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

T.Hawk is now the last SF2 original character without an article
Do you think I should try and work on it, or should I not even bother? --Niemti (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I say go for it. (Late, I know.)  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 02:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright then, let's round up some relevant links/written sources, in particular for reception. I've got this: (and of course he's not a "Native American", he's an indigenous Mexican) and also for gameplay:  --Niemti (talk) 11:07, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

What about Alex from street fighter should it be split?
Alex (Street Fighter) I think should be split what does anyone else think?Dwanyewest (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Unless a lot more reception is found, no. The character lacks sufficient notability to warrant a spinout article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:39, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

List of redirects that need sorting out
Since some new Street Fighter articles these are some redirects that need doing since I don't know how to do them. If anyone can help Thunder Hawk needs to be redirected to T. Hawk, Rose (Street Fighter character) redirected Rose (Street Fighter), Birdie (Street Fighter character) redirected into Birdie (Street Fighter), Yang (Street Fighter character), Yun (Street Fighter character), Yun (Street Fighter), Yang (Street Fighter) redirected into Yun and Yang and Sodom (Street Fighter) redirected into Sodom (Final Fight). Dwanyewest (talk) 19:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops I seem to not to have noticed Guy (Street Fighter) into Guy (Final Fight).Dwanyewest (talk) 19:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Read this article for info on how to edit redirects.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 22:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Character not yet introduced to the series instead of No
I'm editing it and changing it to that, this is just a warning so nobody acts all shocked. Boaxy (talk) 11:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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A few unnecessary changes
Some characters like Zeku and Poison are being listed under their first cameo appearances rather than their first playable/fightable appearance. I think the distinction is important because it reflects when these characters mattered in the franchise and helps readers distinguish when a character became playable in the series. By changing it to first cameo appetence you end up being misleading. Poison is a SF4 character, she's associated with that roster that's when she became playable, that's how characters get distinguished.

Some national flags have also been changed recently, Notably Guy's flag has been changed to Japan. He's Japanese born but a USA National and the flag associated with the character in game has always been the USA flag. Even his last appearance in the series USF4 listed him as American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vali105 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Took the liberty of making the change back to "order of playable introduction" myself. As this is solely a list of playable characters, and the video games are the primary media, it is both logical and sensible to group them by the game in which they became playable, as that is what is most relevant to the reader. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I personally disagree with the direction you are taking for this article, but it's ok. At the very least, could you expand the prose in the lede to explain what the common selection criteria for this list should be (e.g. playable characters only, listed in order of their appearances as playable characters)? Haleth (talk) 03:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 04:37, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Please fix this glaring error.
"In Street Fighter 6, Luke lives at Metro City where teaches where he teaches his military MMA at the Buckler Security Service" 208.69.184.110 (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 16:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)