Talk:Chardonnay

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Show me one source where anyone in agriculture refers to plantings (especially small acerage crops like wine) in square kilometres rather than hectares). You have a 40,000 hectare sheep station, not a 400 sq km one. dramatic 03:58, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And more to the point, the article is inconsistent with the figure in hectare of the total planting. At reference 3 and 22 respectively. Can someone verify which is right? 80.2.145.198 (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Rewrite
It isn't perfect, but I've knocked it into some kind of shape. To be honest I was getting a bit bored by the time I got to the Regions bit, it could do with a bit of expansion without turning it into a boring list of every country that grows a bit of Chardonnay. For instance Kiwi and Chilean Chardonnay are definitely significant on a global scale (and both can produce some delicious wine), but I'm not sure that they represent a sufficiently distinctive take on "Chardonnay-ness" to justify inclusion in this particular article (but they would be right at home in the country articles). Maybe NZ does. We could definitely do with some hard stats on eg acreage in each country, and a bit more sourced material on styles and the backlash. It would also be nice to have a really good photo of the grapes, the ones we have are OK, but not really "Wow!" An English source for the chewing gum would also be good, I could only find blog references but I thought it was so weird that it had to go in :-) FlagSteward 06:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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Taste differences? Chardonnay vs Pinot blanc
The article states that due to certain similarities, Pinot Blanc and Chardonnay were often mistaken for each other, and that until the late 70s were sometimes grown together and turned into wine together. I take it that this doesn't happen much anymore.

What about the taste differences between a Chardonnay and a Pinot blanc? Now they are made & produced as separate wines, how similar are they (if at all?) RK (talk) 19:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are some similarities in the taste profiles and can be confused during blind tastings. I'm not not certain if this has been directly addressed in any WP:RS, since tasting profiles can be fairly subjective, but I'll keep an eye out for a source that could be used. AgneCheese/Wine 21:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are many remnants of this "confusion", or perhaps the habit to treat them as roughly equivalent even when they where known to be different. Most appellations for white Burgundy wine (with the exception of the Grand Cru appellations) actually allow both varieties to be used (not often told by marketeers, strangely enough...), but apparently there is almost no Pinot Blanc left in Burgundy, so this is mostly in theory nowadays. In Alsace wines, where Chardonnay may officially not be used for still AOC wines (but in Crémant d'Alsace), it is rumoured that some blending of Chardonnay into Pinot Blanc is quietly tolerated (because it's allowed to blend several other varieties into Pinot Blanc-labelled wines as well). I also noticed that Austrian winegrowing statistics only report the sum of plantations of Chardonnay and Pinot Blanc, while other varieties are treated separately. While they may be fairly similar in relatively simple wines, Pinot Blanc is supposed to to never become as impressive as Chardonnay can be, which is why it was abandoned for better white Burgundies. Today, it probably has a better reputation in Germany (Baden and Pfalz), where it is possible to make Grosses Gewächs wines from "Weißburgunder", while you can't make Alsace Grand Cru from Pinot Blanc, so few producers there even try to make ambitious wines out of it. Tomas e (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Origin of Chardonnay
Chardonnay means four seeds in persian,char=4 and donnay=seed,if you open inside of a Chardonnay you will find four seeds in it sugesting the true origin of this grape,infact you will find the tastiest variety of this grape grown for thousands of years in city of Qazvin(caspian in persian). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.61.25.254 (talk) 19:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reliable sources to back up that claim, which I can't remember ever have seen contained in any professional wine or ampelographic source? In order to be reliable those sources would also have to explain how Chardonnay can have the pedigree Pinot x Gouais Blanc in that case. As it happens, and as seen in the hatnote of this article, there's also a village called Chardonnay in Burgundy... Tomas e (talk) 20:27, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

It is no wonder, Qazvin (Caspian) has always been one of the best ground to grew grapes in Iran. Apart from the wine, Qazvin has also have been famous for Vodka (Arragh) in Iran "Vodka Qazvin).

I suggest that CHARDONNAY (Four Seeds) refers to 4 seeds and it is more probable that this White Wine was produced by mixing 4 different Varietes. In Persian the word SEED also refers to VARIETY (as from different seeds you get different kind of fruits).

So, possibility is there that it is not only the Particular Grape that has four seeds but also the wine is produced by mixing 4 varieties of White Grape making it CHARDONNAY (Four Seeds).

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.204.2.0 (talk) 19:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hebrew language origin of the word/s "Char-donnay"
A google search revealed this URL as a source for my insertion " recent historical research shows that the name of white wine is from vines in the Jerusalem hills, not only because of the vines which produced the wine grows mainly in limestone and clay soil, like in the Jerusalem region, but mainly because the source of the real name of the wine "Chardonnay". It turns out that the source of the name of white wine is in the Hebrew language and not in the French language. The first to brought the white wine in to France were the Crusaders from Israel who were on leave and brought back home with them the wine whose original name in French was "Porte de dieu" which means in English "gate of G-d" and it's a translation from the Hebrew name "sha'ar-adonay", which symbolize that they were from the holy city of Jerusalem, that surrounded by gates towards G-d When asking a French man to pronounce the name of the wine in Hebrew ("Sha'har-adonay") he actually pronounces it as "Char-donnay" " which the editor deleted due to lack of reference : http://berkovich-zametki.com/Guestbook/guestbook_nov2011_2.html Not being able to read Russian I have not been able to locate the item and hope to track it down with the help of a Russian speaking friend

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Shape of bottle
In my experience, Chardonnay is sold in a bottle shaped differently from all others. Specifically, the shoulders are lower and more gently sloped than those of other bottles. The pictures on the article right now suggest that this is just a local phenomenon, perhaps only in the United States. But it's definitely real .... do we know why? Is this a relic of the times when Chardonnay was considered the best of all wines? This holds true even for vendors whose white and red wine bottles are exactly identical. — Soap — 14:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You may well be right but that statement needs evidence. It does appear that this is the shape favoured by Chablis. I have checked several brands from other areas and they also tend to bear this out. However other grape varieties often share the same bottle shape. Unfortunately this is getting too close to original research for my liking. So unless an author has written about the shape of Chardonnay bottles (or possibly Chablis bottles) this must remain speculation.OrewaTel (talk) 08:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * This article may be of some help? — Jon (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. So Chardonnay indeed has a distinctive shape, but it's not just for chardonnay ... it's shared by several other types of wine as well.  We seem to cover this well enough on Wine_bottle already although there is not much info about the US specifically, so I might get to that someday.  — Soap — 01:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Australia and New Zealand
Currently these two countries share a common section but just about the only thing they have in common is their being a long way from anywhere else. In particular their wines are very different and this is especially so with their treatment of Chardonnay. As an example Australian wines tend to be very heavily oaked whereas New Zealand wines are very lightly oaked. Lumping them together is like mixing France and Egypt - except that Egypt is geographically nearer to France than Australia is to New Zealand.

Whilst we don't want to have a list of countries, each with its own empty section, you can't mix two such dissimilar wine producers together. I shall collate the relevant information and then split this section.OrewaTel (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Agree — Jon (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)