Talk:Charles Aznavour

Greatest hits?
What's the point of the "greatest hits" section of this article? It is a track list of one of his albums. What kind of valuable information does that bring across? I suggest that it is removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.34.83.114 (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

We can keep it to show an example of his more successfull songs, as he's a Foreigner Artist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bespin74 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Comment
List of his biggest hits? Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:35, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Yes, a discography is missing. Añoranza 06:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Best Hits added Armatura 13:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Charles Aznavour Este, probabil, Cele mai cunoscut artist francez - renumit in toata lumea este pentru melodiile de dragoste pe de îngrijire le-a Scris ŞI cantat, ce par sa încorporeze esenţa cântecului francez populare si, de asemenea, vânzarea pentru apariţiile în Filme, CA Trage Piano Player, Candy, SI Tin Drum.

Statutul lui de icon al Culturii populare franceze Este o ironie de îngrijire pentru om ONU SE identificarea Cel mai îndeaproape Cu mostenirea SA armeana.Si-o Ro debutul, pe Scena ŞI pe ecran, la vârsta de Nouă ani, în 1933, în Piesa de Teatru "Un Bon Petite diable" SI, în filmul "La Guerre des Gosses".

La sfarsitul anului 1935, Charles interpreteaza rolul lui Henric al III-lea Alături de actrita Yvonne Printemps în filmul regizat de Pierre Fresnay. În Timpul adolescentei il intalneste pe Pierre Roche, pianist si compozitor Tânăr, caruia i se alatura si formeaza duo-ul Aznavour şi Roche. APAR în spectacole de cabaret in Franta si Belgia.

Un depăşească învăţat sa-si temerile in legatura Cu vocale vânzare limitele, în Parte Mare, Cu ajutorul legendarei cantarete Edith Piaf, de îngrijire pentru un CA Sofer lucrat, printre Alte Activitati; Cu ajutorul ei, el o grijă dezvoltat ONU Stil SA potrivit abilităţilor lui si o continuat sa scrie Cantece, unele dintre îngrijire Fost interpretate au pair de Edith Piaf - Les Compagnos de la Chanson. Primul cantec Scris de Aznavour pentru George Ulmer, "J'ai bu", un castigat Premiul "Discul anului".

În 1947 se alatura cantaretei Edith Piaf turneu Mare Intr-ONU în Franta, IAR Mai tarziu o insoteste la stat pentru o serie de spectacole din New York. Traverseaza granita in Canada si se stabileste in Quebec Tier sustine spectacole la Gold Fazan Impreuna Cu Club Roche Timp de 40 de saptamani, 11 spectacole pe Saptamana Cu peste 600 de persoane prezente la perle fiecare spectacol.

Influentat de Edith Piaf, el renunta la colaborarea Cu Roche si se alatura editorului Muzical Raoul Breton, Alături de îngrijire a compune Je Hais les Dimanches pentru Juliette Greco, precum si pentru Cantece Maurice Chevalier. În câţiva ani scurt, jurnalist francez ONU un Scris: "Franta un completat Fost Aznavourizata". Nu exista concert în Franta în îngrijire SA Nu-ţi fie ruşine interpretata macar o Piesa scrisa de Charles Aznavour. Cu toate ca mass-media era indragostita de cantecele lui, gaseau EI Vocea artistului inacceptabila, SAU IAR stilul de cantaret si actor non - comercial.

În 1954, Charles avea Mai Mult de 30 de piese de succes, compuse de el. Dupa 3 saptamani in grija Este atractia Principala La Alhambra din Paris, CEI DIN Industria Muzicala franceza au pair inteles ca se poate Conta pe Aznavour. Acum, el inregistreaza, scrie, canta si danseaza (Ma Jeunesse, Parce Que, Au creux de Mon epaule, ma Sur Vie, apres L'amour).

În 1958, joaca lei Intr-ONU dramatice, cel al unui epileptic version filmul lui George Franju, "La Tete Contre les Muirs". DE, EL asemenea un compus muzica pentru filmul lui Alex Joff - Du Rififi Chez Les Femmes în 1958; de acolo, el un trecut la roluri Mai Mari, în Filme Mai Bune, including filmul lui Cocteau-Testament Jean de Orfeu ŞI François Truffaut - Trage Piano Player. Ultimul film Trage-Piano Player la transformat pe stele Aznavour Intr-ONU de cinematografe din Franta si este deschis Calea catre America.

În 1963, Charles Este protagonistul unui spectacol la Carnagie Hall din New York. Criticii pacta sunt entuziasmati. Urmeaza turneul Mondial, dupa concertele sustinute in Liban, Grecia si Africa de Nord, urmeaza Uniunea Sovietica (fostul URSS). Vinde Mai Mult de un milion de albume La Mamma. În 1965, concerteaza pe Olympia Timp de 12 saptamani, acompaniat de o orchestra cunoscuta lui Paul Mauriat. Dupa o scurta calatorie în stat, se intoarce În Pentru Paris o organizarea SAU Primul spectacol de Opereta-Domnule Carnavalul de la Chatelet. Incepe ONU turneu Mondial Nou, date de aceasta în Canada, Martinica, Guadelupa, Maroc, Spania, Portugalia, Angola si în final, Africa de Sud.

În 1971, Aznavour Este Distribuit Alături de Michel Constantin si Raymond Pellegrin în filmul partea leului. Single-ul "Old Fashioned Way" ajunge pe Locul 1 în topuri.

În noiembrie 1972, Charles sustine spectacole la Sala Olympia din Paris, Timp de 6 saptamani - 3 saptamani interpreteaza melodii Noi si în celelalte trei saptamani delecteaza publicul Cu o mai mare hit-uri Colectie. În melodia "I acţionează ca travestitii", Aznavour indrazneste sa dezbata Subiect controversat al ONU -. În 1964, primeste Premiul pentru Cel mai Brumel Bine imbracat artist pop. "În seara asta Aznavour-de la trecut la prezent" - este inregistrat ONU retrospectiv album live la Olympia si includ CA piese, Il faut Savoir, ma Sur Vie, Viens au pair creux de Mon Epaule, Cu Ea, Charles castiga discul de aur în Londra, gasesc Primul artist francez de îngrijire reuseste aceasta performanata. Este cel Mare Mai Ambasador al Frantei peste Hotare.

La inceputul anului 1975, paraseste Franta pentru o serie de Concerte în Japonia. În luna noiembrie pentru un acelasi una, un recital sustinut ONU Regal Regina Elisabeta.

Dupa o grupa A de 3 ani, Aznavour ISI se confruntă cu o Aparitie triumfatoare la Olympia Tier sustine spectacole Timp de 4 saptamani. El stralucitoare sunt o revenire pe Scena Muzicala pariziana Cu piese ca Noi, Voila Que Tu Reviens, Gurmandise Par, Mes Emmerdes si Merci Madame La Vie. Pentru Charles Azvnavour lucrurile MERG PE Bine ambele parti ale Atlanticului-Ray Cahrles inregistreaza La Mamma, Shirley Bassey si Fred Astaire inregistreaza Old Fashioned Way, Liza Minelli IAR inca interpreteaza multe DIN vânzare piesele. Charles Aznavour confirma puterea vocii si talentului Cu o SAU Camarade-o melodie Cu sensibilitate Devine ce a lovit rapidă ONU. 1977, ONU Este un plin în îngrijirea il gasim pe Charles concertand Tari în CA, Iugoslavia, Italia, Germania si Canada. 1978 Este inca ONU pentru un deosebit Aznavour-Inca o datelor el concerteaza la Olympia, Tier ISI intalneste publicul iubit pe voi grija seduce Nou Cu DIN vânzare melodiile Noi si Vechi Timp de 4 saptamani. Noul album, "Je n'ai pas vu Le Temps Passer", include melodiile, "J'ai vu la Paris", "La Chanson du Faubourg", "Dieu", "Avant le Guerre". Anii de îngrijire AU urmat au pair Fost plini de succes pentru artist, el un compus, o cantat, o concertat si inregistrat o în 81 de Tari DIN intreaga Lume. În 1981, inregistreaza albumul Charles Aznavour cântă Dimey. În perioada aceasta, dupa 40 de ani de Cariera în muzica, colectia de Materiale eră discografice de 600 de melodii si inregistrate peste 1000 de piese compuse.

În 1988, în urma unui cutremur puternic în Armenia, incepe actiunea Aznavour-Aznavour pentru Armenia. 89 de Artisti inregistreaza melodia For You si Armenia, dupa numai o Saptamana de la lansare ajunge pe Locul 1 si ramane in Top 50, 13 saptamani. S-au vandut 2 milioane de exemplare numai in Franta. În 1989, albumul lansat Nou Este ONU - Greatest Hits ". Cand cineva la intrebat de vânzare pe Aznavour Despre planurile de Viitor, acesta un raspuns: Nu am nici planul ONU. Am O Viata de umplut - se tăia ca acesta Este numai inceputul. În 1991, apare pe Scena Alături de Liza Minelli-in spectacole sustinute la New York, Washington, Toronto si Montreal. În Decembrie 1994, sustine concerte excepţionale ONU din Viena Alături de Placido Domingo. 1998-ONU turneu Nou-4 saptamani pe Broadway, din New York, Eveniment ONU pentru UNIC artist francez al ONU, o Saptamana în Los Angeles, două spectacole la Moscova la Kremlin si 2 din Sankt Petersbourg. În 2004, în perioada 16 aprilie-22 Mai de la CEI 80 ANI AI SAI, Charles Aznavour concerteaza la Palais des Congres Urmand turneu apoi ONU din Franta si Belgia.

Aznavour AR Fi Ultimul CEI îngrijire S-AR Cu comparativă PE îngrijire ii considerabil adevarati vocalisti talentati, cum AR Fi Sinatra ŞI Mel Torme, el preferând sa se gândească la sine ca compozitor la ONU, de îngrijire de asemenea, se întâmplă sa cânte. Stilul lui de o interpretare o Fost Cu adesea comparat Maurice Chevalier ŞI Frank Sinatra ŞI Extrem rămas un artist ONU de popular si iubit Timp de multe decenii.

Overly Armenian?
dont get me wrong, i like how Aznavour is proudly Armenian and i support Armenians vehemently, but Aznavour did make his career in France and there is no illustration of his star power in France. Perhaps finding picture that justifies fair use of him singing at a popular French venue would be appropriate, as every single picture of Aznavour currently relates to Armenia.

otherwise, the article is quite well written. :-)

--OettingerCroat 05:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Off course you're right! As Aznavour asks: "Im an 100% Armenian and an 100% French"! All 3 photoes are uploaded here by me:) (the second one is from Paris, 1920's). The problem is I cant find any free photo of Aznavour from France (all are copyrighted) and one of them (performing of "La Boheme", "Olympia") was deleted previously. And Armenian ones are easier to use, as we have permissions. If you find any other which have no copyright problems it will be fine! Andranikpasha 12:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 81.241.214.170, pls use the talk before the deletion of any info. Andranikpasha (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Does he have Armenian nationality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 13:00, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, Charles Aznavour has accepted an honorary Armenian citizenship in December 2008 (at age 85). He remains a French citizen, though. However, his newly acquired dual FRench/Armenian citizenship made it possible for him to accept being appointed as the ambassador of Armenia to Switzerland. This is not such a big surprise. Indeed, the position is mostly honorary rather than intensely political (which he has many times over affirmed being unwilling to commit to). Aznavour spends much of his vacation time away from France, in Switzerland. He is well-known there as well. So, the honorary ambassador position, especially at his age, comes at the perfect time in the perfect location. Lifetime fans of "Azna" like myself are delighted to see that his roots and leaves are coming closer. Vas-y mon p'tit Charles! On est tous avec toi!    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.72.92.4 (talk) 04:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * He was not just a citizen of Armenia, but worked as an Armenian ambassador for more than 20 years. So his Armenian nationality should be included in the article. Aramjan11 (talk) 11:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Christmas in Vienna
i added a great screenshot of Aznavour from the Vienna concert in 1994, hope you guys enjoy it! note: the picture must stay in the location where it is, due to fair use requirements.

Aznavour's Armenian name cant be replaced with an OC. Also he's not only an officier of Canada. Andranikpasha (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Andranik, it has nothing to do with the removal of his Armenian name. On the contrary, his Armenian name should indeed be on there, I agree. However, as the article on the Order of Canada confirms, the post-nominal letters can be used after the inductee's name, regardless of rank within the order or nationality. So do not remove this pertinent information. --OettingerCroat (talk) 12:34, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Height?
One of Aznavour'a main attributes is described in the introduction as being his shortness of height. Is this appropriate? Shouldn't this opinion be referenced to a reliable source? I do not personally dispute that Azanavour is short. (Nor that he's a giant of an artist!) But I wonder if such subjective assessments can be made by the Wiki contributors themselves, without a reference. -The Gnome (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * He made a feature of his short stature in his act, so yes it is relevant.Gymnophoria (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Discography
I think the discography section should be moved to new article, as it is too long, and makes this article looks ugly. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree. Merits separate entry as the catalogue of world reknown artist's works; un-clutters root entry page. -The Gnome (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

"Karavan Istoriy" as a source
A Georgian IP (better known as Biographyspot, and in the last time as user Aferum) time after time startes to push this Russian journal as a reliable source on Aznavour's descent. This women's journals is not a reliable source, it writes mostly about scandals and never positiones itself as a serious source (see ). It was also criticized and deleted in Russian Wiki. By other side, we have many official biographies (including the cited sources and "Le temps des avants" book) of Aznavour where he mentions that his father was an Armenian from Georgia with roots from Erzeroum, Western Armenia. Gazifikator (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Removal
Gazifikator, please explain why are you reverting my change which is well sourced? Aferum (talk) 11:33, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * it is very poorly sourced. see the explanation below. this is a 'yellow' journal with a lot of mistakes in translation like "half-Georgian half-Armenian" in place of "Georgian-Armenian" and "half-Turkish half-Armenian" in place of "Turkish Armenian". A silly translation... And no any Reliable source claims any Georgian or Turkish descent for Aznavour, while many of them (included the cited ones) prove his father Micha Aznavourian (as well as his mother) was an Armenian. Gazifikator (talk) 14:16, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the MOS:BIO Gazifikator.

Norum 00:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

MOS:BIO
Since he was born in France to Armenian immigrant parents and holds French citizenship and only an honourary Armenian citizenship, this is enough to have him listed as "French" only. Having him listed as French-Armenian is a clear violation of MOS: BIO. Therefore I will revert it to the proper version. MOS: BIO

Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity);

1. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.

2. Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.

Norum 23:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is Aznavour even a French sitizen. Retyp (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he is. And only an honourary Armenian citizen which doesn't mean much.  Norum 20:03, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * He is a full Armenian citizen. Retyp (talk) 20:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It says he was given an honourary citizenship. Just like Jim Belushi was given an honourary Albanian citizenship, yet you don't consider him to be an Albanian-American actor.  Norum 20:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In Armenia we havent honorary citizenship, it is an error, which means he is a honored person (as well as Vazgen I was honored). "In December 2008, Charles Aznavour was made an official citizen of Armenia by the Armenian head of state, Serge Sarkissian. On 12 February, the singer agreed to become Armenian ambassador to Switzerland." And such citizens shall "have all the rights and obligations of regular Armenian nationals." Retyp (talk) 06:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

1. In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen, national or permanent resident, or if notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national or permanent resident when the person became notable.

So how is getting an Armenian citizenship significant in this case? Aznavour became an Armenian citizen in 2008 and his first album was released in 1953. He had French citizenship at that point already. He became notable long before he became an Armenian citizen. Therefore, this proves my point. Norum 03:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It proves nothing. He is an Armenian Ambassador, isnt it enough notable? Retyp (talk) 13:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Read the MOS:BIO before you start making posts. He was already notable way before gaining Armenian citizenship. You argument is invalid. You lose. Norum 03:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This conversation has become quite aggressive. Saying things like "you lose" is not really very helpful - the idea is to improve the article rather than clash with other editors.  As for Aznavour, he is known internationally as a French singer but in France, to say nothing of Armenia, his Armenian origins are a big part of his public profile, because he has campaigned on Armenian causes since 1988.  You are also incorrect to state that his Armenian nationality is "honourary" because there is no such thing.  In fact, Aznavour fulfills functions for the Armenian government: he is their representative in Switzerland and to the Swiss office of the UN.  For these reasons, I think describing him as "French and Armenian" rather than the more ambiguous "Armenian-French" is the most appropriate.  Mezigue (talk) 09:23, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Trying to explain things to Retyp is like hitting the wall with your head. I agree, it does ned to be forumlated a little differently instead of French-Armenian. Norum 13:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be put up to a vote to decide how should it be written. Norum 05:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Over a decade ago, but seems to be the only in-depth discussion here. Users "Retyp" and "Norum" have since been blocked/banned as sock puppet accounts or other reasons. Personally, I think describing as just "French" or "French" and noting that he was granted Armenian citizenship near the end of his life is the better wording. His birth, death and the country where he first gained notability in were all in France. And his Armenian citizenship was within the last decade of his life. We already have it covered throughout the lede section that he was granted Armenian citizenship and did some work in the country.
 * Furthermore, it seems like only three users (two of which are now banned) participated in this discussion. One suggested "French-Armenian", another "French and Armenian" and another just "French". I do not see an RFC in here and there are no archives of his talk page, so I've reverted it to just "French" until this can be truly settled. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Sock edit war?
OptimusView makes the same edits and reverts as Retyp/Gazifikator did. Is OV another one of Gazifikator's socks? Antique Rose &mdash; Drop me a line  23:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was found to be unlikely: Sockpuppet investigations/Gazifikator/Archive. Brand meister talk   11:14, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

What about the Muppets guest star appearance
Charles Aznavour appeared on the Muppets show, season 1, episode 9. Did not see that listed under film (or TV) credits. January 15, 1977 airdate. I would add it, the muppets roster of guest stars is impressive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.67.243 (talk) 06:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Children and Marriages
In 1952 Aznavour had a son, Charles, by his first wife, Micheline. This son is not listed in the article. Is there some reason for this? If not, he should be included.

In addition, Aznavour's children are not listed in the order in which they were born. I think they should be. The birth order is: Séda, Charles, Patrick, Katia, Mischa and Nicholas. I have listed them accordingly.

Aznavour's first and second wives are not named in the article. This seems odd to me because it can be interpreted to imply some unstated reason for the exclusions. I think the full names of all three should be given, or none at all. I vote for including them all, and have done so in an emendation to the text.MarilynConant (talk) 20:36, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

OC OQ
What is the OC OQ doing in the introduction? Should this be deleted? Robert (talk) 16:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Birth name
According to the book The Film Encyclopedia edited by Ephraim Katz and published by HarperCollins says his birth name is "Shahnour Varenagh Aznavourian", see here. This spelling is also used by Transatlantic Passages: Literary and Cultural Relations between Quebec and Francophone Europe, published by the McGill-Queen's University Press, see here. Historian Richard G. Hovannisian as well uses "Varenagh" So does the Encyclopedia of Contemporary French Culture published by Routledge

The Embassy of the Republic of Armenia in Switzerland spells it "Shahnourh Varinag Aznavourian". I don't think this source can be taken seriously versus all other published sources. -- Ե րևանցի talk  05:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * And the Armenian Encyclopedia uses Vaghenag . The Herald Scotland, The Armenian Weekly , Agos, Anadolu Agency, Panarmenian and many others do the same. As well as historian Rouben Paul Adalian in the Eastern Armenian form of Vaghinak . Why the Official site of an Embassy can not be taken seriously? It is the only official source citing Ambassador's birth name. Or Wiki rules say I'm not right? Lkahd (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Most of your sources are newspaper, while my sources are published books. And I just noticed that the embassy site spells it "Shahnourh Varinag Aznavourian", so why are you even using it as a source for "Vaghinag"? -- Ե րևանցի talk  06:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You see how dubious your actions were. So it is better to start from the talk. We can ask for a third opinion. Lkahd (talk) 06:59, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty reasonable argument to falsify sources. Vaghinag is not in the given source, therefore you need to present reliable sources, not me. If you have any problem with published sources, please refer to the Reliable sources/Noticeboard. -- Ե րևանցի talk  07:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Pushing unexplained and unconsensused material in such an incivil manner is not good. And please do not delete Ducretet Thomson as you have no explanation. Please read WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:3RR. Lkahd (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Instead of accusing me in "pushing unexplained and unconsensused material", you should first read the sources you add. Have a nice day! -- Ե րևանցի  talk  15:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

What makes a man a man
The song "What makes a man a man" is about homosexuality, sung from the perspective of a cabaret drag artist. It's not about transgenderism. The article even quotes Aznavour talking about the song in reference to homosexuality. Gymnophoria (talk) 10:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

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Son Charles
An unregistered editor removed the (then unreferenced) supposed second child of Charles Aznavour, his son "Charles". I did find references such as Femme Actuelle  or Gala, though the latter comments on how little is known about the son Charles. The editor also linked to a very recent Facebook post by Seda Aznavour stating that "this son 'Charles' whom we've all heard being talked about for a while has never existed. My dear father only had five children. Seda, Patrick, Katia, Mischa and Nicolas. This is for your information as many of his fans are asking me to tell them about 'Charles'." (, my unauthorized translation)

I restored the article for now and added one of the references given above (also the number would have to be changed from "six" to "five").

I can't verify the authenticity of the Facebook post's author nor do I know whether it would suffice as a source anyway, but I do think it's worth looking into, as we certainly don't wish to perpetuate something that isn't factual, even if it's all over the media. ---Sluzzelin talk  13:21, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Many thanks. I see that the article at French wikipedia, fr:Charles Aznevour, also has son Charles and supports with this ref: "magazine Biographie No. 3., décembre 2012, "… il a le bonheur d'être à nouveau père d'un petit garçon, prénommé Charles", article de Lucie Benhamou." Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


 * It's being discussed at fr.wikipedia too: Discussion:Charles Aznavour#Nombre d'enfants. Yet, Myloufa, this edit definitely requires a source. (So, thanks Martinevans123, for adding 'citation needed'). ---Sluzzelin talk  14:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, although looking at Yves Salgues it looks like he wrote abut his heroin use himself. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No doubt he was an addict, but the part of him having "invented" the son named Charles needs sources. And if there is a connection between his addiction and his alleged fabrication, that would require a reference as well. Else, why even mention his addiction here? ---Sluzzelin talk  14:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The question would be if we can find good sources to proves that Charles Jr. exists. The only sources we can find are vague and weak. Also, a lot of proofs suggests otherwise; all the pictures of «Charles Jr.» are, in fact, pictures of Patrick, the other son. --Myloufa Discuss ou make Appeal? 22:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't know we had any pictures. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This is a picture of Patrick and his father and this is a picture of Seda, Charles and "Charles Jr." if this is not Patrick on the two pictures, then I don't know who that is. --Myloufa Discuss ou make Appeal? 22:13, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd say that was the same boy. I think we'd also want to see pictures of him as an adult, if he is supposed to have lived to adulthood. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * We still have to find a reliable source discussing the biographer's error, or even just the error. Until then, are there reliable sources listing the five siblings as the complete number of children by name, year of birth, etc., without even mentioning Charles Jr.? ---Sluzzelin talk  00:21, 14 October 2018 (UTC)