Talk:Charles E. Smith Jewish Day School

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Please delete this entire page, or else rework it to be NPOV. As it stands, it appears that someone just cut and pasted the promotional brochure of the school directly into onto Wikipedia. The use of "we," "us," etc. is a dead giveaway.Narsil27 15:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

maybe I should dispute this page's neutrality. AndrewAL 22:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree.

For anyone who actually reads this slide
If you read this slide, take note of the subtext under Judiacs. It is important to recognize that some of the student body is not eager about Minyan, include it as information regarding what the students actually think, not what the people have posted to get others to think. However there is a group of students who feel a strong connection to Judaism such as those in the Sephardic and Orthodox minyan.

I hereby dispute the neutrality of this page
This page maintains no neutrality whatsoever, It only shows the few upsides of the school, while putting no criticism sections about the 20% of the seniors admitted in an anonyms survey that they had used marijuana in their stay at JDS. The school also claims to have state of the art facilities while the upper school art room is no bigger then 2 & 1/2 office blocks put together. Computers and technology classes are largely ignored and kept at an extraordinarily low priority. The page would be best suited deleted from Wikipedia.

-A JDS student


 * Has anything been published about this? Lion's Tale could be an acceptable source for criticism of this type, I suppose. We can only include this info if it's verifiable. nadav (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * also the so called motto "...You shall teach them diligently to your children", well I haven't heard it once in my 4 years at the school. There are many sources of critisesm for this article, I'll bring this up to the school faculty once classes resume.-A JDS student
 * Feel free to expand the article and make it more neutral (this is the "encyclopedia anyone can edit" after all), but make sure any info you add (especially if it's negative) is cited to a reliable secondary source. nadav (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It also doesn't talk about the fact that all but one of the 5th grade teachers are leaving because the administration treats teachers so badly, nor does it mention that the Israel trip in 2006 was destroyed because the school does not expose their students to any information about drugs or alcohol. It doesn't mention that Gerry Nussbaum, the principle that built JDS into the "largest day school in DC" was forced out of her job by the headmaster, or that the COO, Susan Siegel was also the COO for Temple

Beth El when the then-Head Rabbi Maltzman when he was forced to resign for supposed embezzlement. Lastly, it doesn't talk about the blatant favoritism and Nepotism displayed by the upper levels of administration. And to add to this they discriminate Sephardic families with no justification-Former JDS Student

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Not to mention that:

1. JDS has actually kicked out a terrific headmaster (Prager) because he put education over money -- i.e., he wasn't the suave politician-type fund raiser that they wanted (so they got Cannon)

2. JDS has virtually no music or art department. All the music and art courses were ad hoc; the equipment is broken and replacing it is a low priority, as with computers. The music and art teachers are always an after thought. Similar things happen in the math department, to a lesser extent. In short, every department aside from English gets neglected in JDS.

3. The administration officials routinely either underfund or bully faculty, which is why so many excellent teachers (like certain science teachers) left.


 * Of course all of that is not in the wikipedia article, it's not only false but impossible to verify.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.253.223 (talk) 19:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

JDS has many flaws, so this article is *far* from neutral. But a separate issue, aside from the objectivity of the article:

WHY IN THE WORLD DOES CES JDS DESERVE A WIKIPEDIA PAGE?

It's one of many private Jewish schools in the U.S. Big deal.

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 * It deserves a wikipedia page because there are many things to say about it that are verifiable and were written in reliable sources. In other words, it meets the notability requirements. I encourage everyone to include any relevant facts about JDS that can be cited to such sources. nadav (talk) 21:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

This "essay" is wildly outdated, as many of these issues have since been addressed. CHABBALL (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Article Class Rating
This article has had it rating reduced to Start Class. With the addition of some reference it could be promoted to C class, but under the new rating system it is has a long ways to go to get to B class. See WikiProject Schools/Assessment Dbiel (Talk) 15:06, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Controversies and Media Coverage
Issues such as these (Lion's Tale censorship, marijuana arrests in Israel) should be covered on the page, as they meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria--coverage in multiple media outlets is more than sufficient to satisfy criteria. The 2.7.10 page revision tagged as a 'section blanking' deleted the paragraph on the student marijuana arrests with no rationale provided. As there is a clear argument for its inclusion (see above), it naturally falls on whoever would have this section deleted to provide a rationale. Note that finding a topic to be 'disagreeable' or merely wanting something to be omitted is subjective and does not constitute a valid argument. (Enrique.SantiagoChen) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enrique.santiagochen (talk • contribs) 07:46, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Recent Updates
I removed a hurtful statement about a specific individual which has no place here and is completely inappropriate. Calling someone a "b*%$h" is not called for in any circumstance.

Sorry (figuring out how to post here, not as well-versed on Wikipedia), I also tried to delete your "controversies" section. As a representative of the school, I believe that the Marijuana arrest has nothing to do with the school and does not belong on the school's page. The arrest happened on a trip that was not chaperoned nor supervised by school staff or administration. In addition, it involved students who had already graduated and were part of a private program that the students and their families sign up for. This is not a "controversy" for the school but more for the Israel trip program. And then, I still believe that the label is not valid. It would be akin to saying that a company has a "controversy" about a former employee who gets arrested for his/her personal activities or bad decisions.

These are legitimate reasons to remove these items. This does not qualify as "disruptive editing" nor vandalism.

The changes have not been kept apparently. But it saddens me if Wikipedia will become a place where people can put up whatever they want without being held accountable for their statements or actions. Quite frankly it demeans the effort of this organization to do what it is trying to do.

Blueman19 (talk) 19:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:V is often the key minimal standard for content. Removal of content that is verifiable per cites to reliable sources when there is existing talk-page discussion that supports including it is generally not appropriate. I would call it good-faith bad edit rather than vandalism, but still...WP:CONSENSUS is important. At the risk of being snarky, it would sadden me if Wikipedia became a place where the "official word" from an organization itself were to be used as a guideline for anything at all. Like it or not, published sources appear to have linked this school with these events. There may well be ways to write this more neutrally or improve the heading, but it's on-topic according to cited reliable sources. DMacks (talk) 05:44, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Things that Need Improvement
While i agree that CESJDS is notable and deserves a Wikipedia article, I've noted several significant issues that need improvement. 1. the tone of this article seems to be rather advertisement-ish (e.g. "College Prep classes are rigorous and demanding, yet paced to promote the success of every student in our School" which has the additional flaw of making use of the term "our", and "Adaptability and flexibility are hallmarks of the school"), which is in violation of WP:NOTADVERTISING 2. There are very few in text citations throughout the body of the article, particularly the first sections. 3. This is a small complaint, but is it really fair to state without qualification that Natalie Portman is an alumni of the school, when it seems from her article that she only went there through kindergarten. Other than the last complaint, which if I don't get a response to i plan on trying to correct in the near future, i do not think that i am currently in a position to fix these issues as i am not a CESJDS staff member, student, or expert, and do not have the requisite knowledge of the school for such an endeavor, i trust however that fixes will be made, as these problems are tarnishing what could be an otherwise great Wikipedia article. g.j.g (talk) 04:50, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Samuel Sheinbein
Why is this killer's affiliation with the school not noted? I would think listing a link to his article at least is called for. May I add such a link, or has this already been rejected ?Paul, in Saudi (talk) 14:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * He certainly appears eligible to be added to the list. However, please make sure your addition follows our neutrality policy.  Probably better to refer to him as a convicted murderer than a killer. John from Idegon (talk) 18:14, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I see someone added it. THat seems about right. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 06:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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