Talk:Charles Edward Jones

Notability
''This page was placed on Votes for Deletion in March and again in June 2004. Consensus both times was to keep; view discussion for March below and for June at Votes for deletion/more_911_victims_2.'' Also was subject to a  Votes for Deletion  in June 2005, which can be found at Votes for deletion/Charles Edward Jones


 * Another September 11 death. Adam Bishop 06:08, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Retired colonel. Keep. Anthony DiPierro 13:28, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Did he do anything of note before he retired, or is he only fucking noteworthy because of 9/11? If the latter is the case then delete. theresa knott 14:07, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC) (unclear vote, conditional and before the astronaut detail was revealed - not a vote unless "keep" or "delete")
 * He was a colonel. That's fucking noteworthy. Anthony DiPierro 14:17, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * As a veteran, I appreciate your patriotism, but I disagree. Being a colonel alone is not noteworthy. Rossami 15:55, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC) ( count as delete?  - not a vote unless "keep" or "delete")
 * Keep, after adding detail. I don't think being a fucking Colonel is fucking noteworthy enough. But fucking being an fucking astronaut, albeit one who didn't get into space (his shuttle mission was cancelled after the Challenger disaster) is noteworthy.Average Earthman 19:35, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, just to clarify, it has nothing to do with patriotism. I'd say the same thing if he were an Iraqi colonel. Anthony DiPierro 18:22, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * "He was scheduled to be a crew member of a Space Shuttle dickhead flight in 1986." Anthony DiPierro 21:22, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Del. --Wik 13:29, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - move to sep11 if not already there - Texture 14:15, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Everyking 17:48, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to sept 11th wiki and delete. Secretlondon 20:29, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Move to 9/11 wiki & delete. Wile E. Heresiarch 23:08, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Move and delete. -- Dissident 23:58, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * This deletionism is really becoming ludicrous. All these calls for deletion, and not one reason for deletion has even been hinted at, let alone stated. -- Oliver P. 03:40, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC) (should be counted as keep - not a vote unless "keep" or "delete")

Vote bolding added by Anthony DiPierro

(Non-vote bolding added - Texture 17:38, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) - in case there are any questions see: Deletion_policy)
 * which says: Here are some suggested wordings Anthony DiPierro 18:04, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think it's obvious that the vote by Oliver P. is a vote to keep. Anthony DiPierro 18:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete 'Memorials. Subjects of encyclopedia articles must satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Wikipedia is not the place to memorialize deceased friends, relatives, acquaintances, or others who do not meet such requirements.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_Web_hosting_service.2C_social_networking_service.2C_or_memorial_site This man had neither prominence in the Manned Spaceflight Engineer Program, nor (according to this articcle) any significant claim to notability. Where are the citations to the contrary? Beingsshepherd (talk) 03:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)Beingsshepherd


 * Keep. Another reason to keep besides being a 9/11 victim who was both colonel and astronaut is for who he is/was NOT, Charlie "Tremendous" Jones, as I came here looking for him here from the disambiguation page.  Astronauts are a big huge deal, and I think it's silly to even consider deleting this page.  In fact, there ought to be a wikipedia policy that explicitly states that astronauts should all be considered noteworthy just for being astronauts.  Additionally, given the degree to which the United States has become contorted as a result of 9/11, the very least that can be done is have brief articles on the people all of these contortions and erosions of fundamental rights have been done in the name of.  Otherwise we are all under constant surveillance as a result of the attacks upon and murders of people that wikipedia doesn't even consider important enough to have articles on.  Wikipedia should also have a standalone wikipedia policy stating that 9/11 victims are intrinsically noteworthy. Jonny Quick (talk) 05:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Being a colonel does not automatically make one notable, nor does being a 9/11 victim or an astronaut. There are thousands of colonels, astronauts and 9/11 victims and they are not all noteworthy, nor should there be any "policy" that states otherwise. Notability requires some type of uniqueness that is described by the article and is supported by secondary sources cited in the article. The article lacks this. Jonny Quick's incoherently-written argument above that 9/11 victims are notable because of the post-9/11 infringement upon civil liberties is a non sequitur. Nightscream (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Votes made after article extended around 7pm 4th March
Keep: Average Earthman, Oliver Pereria, Anthony DiPierro Delete: Secretlondon, Wile E. Heresiarch, Dissident


 * This would normally be sufficient to keep the article and remove from vfd, but I thought it would be fair to let it a run a day or two more to see if those that originally voted delete have an opinion now. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 08:47, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The fact that no reason for deletion was provided is sufficient to keep the article and remove from Vfd. Wikipedia articles are not contestants in a Big Brother-style popularity contest. -- Oliver P. 23:02, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

PD Photograph?
This, despite the watermark, appears to be an official USAF Photo of Col. Jones, and thus should be public domain, I'd think? - The Bushranger One ping only 06:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

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