Talk:Charles Musès

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I wrote a first pass at this article, but since I don't understand this guy's bizarre ideas, there may be inaccuracies. It would be helpful if someone else could read up on the Lion Path and chronotopology, to find out what, if anything, they're about. Also, the paragraph on hypernumbers could probably be expanded using this source. I have no idea what it means for algebras to "correspond to the seven pleromic worlds of the central Q-universe and the 7-D universe that lies beyond it." Factitious 10:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a reference to a "house of horus" web page maintained by an individual, as for source material on Musean hypernumbers. I do not share the opinion that there is place for shamanistic religion in mathematics. Where has all the content from the "hypernumber" page been moved to? I cannot find it anymore. For the mathematical source of hypernumbers, I believe that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hypernumber#Specific_sources_for_this_article gives a good account.

The article, in its current revision, references only a single religious site that is maintained by an individual. I find this problematic in itself. In contrast to the current edit, I believe that religious ideas should be separated from mathematical ideas (even if the latter haven't been worked-out very well by their inventor). Musès has introduced his hypernumbers idea quite formally, in articles that are free from religion and wording that's stated in the current edit. While it is probably valuable to know what Musès religious belief was, his hypernumber concept has a serious foundation. I have therefore created a new article Musean hypernumber that rescued a lot of deteled content, together with references to formally published articles (which appear much more appropriate than just referencing an individual's web page on a shamanistic religion). My opinion about going into a page and deleting its content is here. Jens Koeplinger 02:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Musès vs Muses
Dear Mr Smith,

I've been following your edits on this page with great interest. You appear to have a wealth of valuable detail information about the life of Charles Musès (Muses?). Could you explain in a bit more detail where the spelling variation of his last name originates from? Is it merely a reduction to US ASCII characters, or is there more to it? My last name, e.g., is Köplinger, however, it has been changed to Koeplinger due to reduction to US ASCII characters. Nevertheless, my "true" last name of choice is Köplinger since it is my birth name. In all references that I've seen so far about Charles Musès (Muses) it was the Musès spelling (or the Musaios pen name).

Thank you very much for sharing any detail you may have!

Jens Koeplinger 01:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

PS: Please keep in mind that the redirect into the French Wiki is broken if one changes the "è" into an "e" without further action.

Musès vs. Muses
Dear Mr. Koeplinger,

Thank you for your note. I don't yet know how to fiind an umlaut on my keyboard or I'd address you with your preferred name spelling!

Forgive me for clumsy errors, but I am relatively new to wiki pages.

My personal interest, what motivates me in my spare time, is history, particularly the history of comparative religion. I am a distant relative of Charlie Muses and I am familiar with his biography. As I gain more practice with wiki pages, I hope to add more biographical information to round out Charles' story.

As for the surname Muses, Charles' ancestry was mostly German. At some point during the 1980s when Charles was in France, a publisher 'Franco-philed' his surname to Musès, as if it were of French origin. Further, it was listed this way in other publications of the time. For whatever reason, this spelling of his surname seemed to follow him! However, this is an erroneous spelling of his surname.

The surname Muses is Germanic in origin. Charles also thought it was possibly related to the surname Moses as some family members pronounced the name as /'mʌs(ə)s/. He was interested in doing some linguistic detective work on his surname, but he died before that work could be completed.

It is my view that it would be best to remove the French diacritical marks from the Muses surname (though I am not certain how this would alter the redirect as posted earlier).

Good luck and best wishes,

Addy Smith


 * Thanks for the details, I'll take your word for it. I've added "Musès" as a pseudonym then, and will check redirects to make sure all is ok. Thanks, Jens Koeplinger 23:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I was a colleague and friend of Dr. Musès from 1986 until his death. Whatever the history of his surname, Dr. Musès himself, in the time I knew him, used only the spelling "Musès".  He regarded "Muses" as an error.  I have a letter from him dated April 18, 1986 that states this clearly.  Most of his publications, especially the later ones, also use the spelling "Musès".  I think it would be best to put the diacritical mark back into his name. Kevin Carmody (talk) 02:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Nice suggestion: "Mystics"
The new category "Mystics" fits well, I think; it separates interests. Without that separation, it is hard or almost impossible to refer to anything he said or wrote, without being in the defensive regarding his colorful concepts. Koeplinger (talk) 15:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The missing supplement to Destiny and Control in Human Systems
"The Supplement" is mentioned 14 times in the book Destiny & Control in Human Systems—Has anyone heard whether this work was ever completed and published? It's very mysterious, I can't find any reference to it anywhere outside this book. It's like House of Leaves. I would really like this Supplement for my research, if it hasn't been "censored". —98.125.184.79 (talk) 09:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

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