Talk:Charles Spurgeon/Archive 1

Ecumenical
(Deleted article cut-and-pasted from by Darwin Fish.)


 * This is not the proper forum for posting vitriolic essays. Do you have some other point? --Flex 16:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Calvinism
I put the Calvinism links here just because I thought that if they fit for Jonathan Edwards - they fit here. Edwards didn't develop Calvinism, either. Brian0324


 * You mean Categories rather than links, methinks. I would argue that JE did develop Calvinist doctrine in a way Spurgeon did not. He published the oft-referenced Freedom of the Will expounding the Calvinist doctrine of free will philosophically and theologically, was a very significant figure in the development and spreading of postmillennialism, and was even involved in the development of the governmental view of the atonement, which changed the shape of Calvinism in America. He's a titanic figure in American religious history. Those are some of the reasons he's listed in the influences of the Template:Calvinism, while other significant Calvinists such as Spurgeon, Machen, Lloyd-Jones, Sproul, etc. are not. --Flex 17:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that I misunderstood the purpose of the template. If it is something to offer the reader a window to view the influences on Spurgeon as well as his frame of mind - it might be helpful. I still don't think that it is irrelevant. Thanks for the clarification about it. I know that Methodism has a template that is part of a larger discussion & even William Booth who founded the Salvation Army has a Methodism side bar. That was my thinking, but - agreed- there is enough in the text about Spurgeon without the side bar. Brian0324

photographs
I own about a dozen Carte de visite photographs and stereoviews of Spurgeon and his wife, from different points in his life. The photos themselves date from 1860 to 1895. I am willing to scan them and place the images into the public domain. Would anyone have the time to upload them to wikisource and place them in the article, (if there was a consensus that that is appropriate)? If so, I could email them, as I am a novice and don't know how to upload to wikisource.

I also have copies of most the the Passmore & Alabastor first editions (London), which could be eventually scanned... --Frank Rabinovitch 07:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to help you, though I'd prefer to teach you how to fish, so to speak, than to do it for you. There are instructions at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload that you can follow. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask on my talk page. (You'll see there that a bunch of images I uploaded are being deleted since the policies have tightened since I uploaded them, but as a consequence I'm more familiar with the policies now.) Do you know how old they are and if anyone owns a copyright on the original? --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 16:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll take you up on your offer. They are 1860-1885, a few possibly earlier.  A few are fairly rare stereoscopic slides, others more common CDVs, including two with the Mrs. I only the originals outright, and can release them into a suitable copyright category.  I'll start some scans in the next few weeks, and then contact you for advice. --Frank Rabinovitch 03:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Opening
There are plenty of non-reformed Baptists who hold Spurgeon in very high regard. The Fundamentalist wing of the Baptists hold him as one of the greatest preachers of all time. The sentence which states that he is held in wide regard by different reformed groups is just not sufficient, and needs to include Baptist groups of almost every shade, also. If there is no, objection, I will change it.--The Saxon 06:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Spurgeon's Views
Does anybody know whether it was a urban legend that Spurgeon gave up Cigar Smoking after seeing an advertisement about Cigars that Spurgeon Smoked? I have heard he never gave up Cigar Smoking but some people have quoted the above to say Spurgeon quite Smoking.

Also it might be important to quote what Spurgeon believed on some of these views on pleasure like wine, and smoking because of the misinformation out there regarding Spurgeons views on them. Any thoughts? Coramdeo30 (UTC)


 * I've never heard that he gave up smoking - clearly, it didn't have any negative connotations in those days. I don't think it's anything more than anecdotal and not important for this article. – Agendum (talk) 07:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Lead
The opening paragraph is very lengthy and, in my opinion, gives more detail than is necessary in a Lead. I propose that it be shortened to give a summary of the most important facts and some of the events of Spurgeon's life. Some of it just does not belong here, and its inclusion seems bizarre (especially the reference to the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith), although there is no reason why it may not be included in the body of the article. – Agendum (talk) 20:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Extract of first sermon
There is much to choose from and considerable danger in adding too many block quotes, I freely grant. Although this extract of CHS' first sermon at the MT is famous, it is also instructive as to the 'central organising principle' and tenor of his entire ministry, and valuable to a first time acquaintance with the man, as to a veteran student of his works. Cpsoper (talk) 05:46, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Ivantesl (talk) 04:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)–—′≈≠≤≥−== Brothers and sisters ==

Charles was no lonely as a boy. By the age of 5 he had two sisters and a brother--James. Charles was the natural leader.

Restorationist views
Have added short reference to his contrasting views on restoration and dispensationalism. Cpsoper (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Infobox
His wife is named as Susannah Spurgeon (née Thompson)(22 October 1903). Is that the date of her death? Valetude (talk) 18:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

External link to Metropolitan Tabernacle and its descriptive comment
The external link to the Metropolitan Tabernacle currently reads: "Spurgeon's Metropolitan Tabernacle – Charles H Spurgeon was pastor of the Metropolitan Tabernacle (A Calvinistic Baptist Evangelical Church in London where faithful biblical preaching is still in place today)" I appreciate the enthusiasm, but it is somewhat partisan. That Spurgeon was pastor of the Met Tab is redundant info. Also, we do not need the three descriptive adjectives of the Tabernacle today. And the implication that there is only one expression of 'faithful biblical preaching' goes beyond a NPOV. I propose to do three things. 1. Change the name of the link to "Metropolitan Tabernacle" which is the title of their website. 2. Modify the link to go to the excellent history page on that site. From there readers can, if they wish, explore other aspects of the contemporary Tabernacle. 3. Re-phrase the comment. A comment is not essential, but if included, it needs to be objective, and also accurate and respectful of the present church. I am offering the following: "The present Metropolitan Tabernacle seeks to honour the principles honoured by Charles Spurgeon". If there are no better offers, I will go ahead and make the changes. Petrosbizar (talk) 08:56, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Downgrade
Have added three references to the Downgrade, CHS' final and most significant battle. This section currently provides a scanty examination. There is some work to be done on the other refs. A citation would be helpful for the statement about the College. CHS' supporters, few as they were in the College, would not have seen the issue as unnecessary at all, and history has borne this concern out.Cpsoper (talk) 20:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure how much this sentence adds, 'Contextually the Downgrade Controversy was British Baptists' equivalent of hermeneutic tensions which were starting to divide Protestant fellowships in general.' Propose removal/trimming. Cpsoper (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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