Talk:Charles Wellesley, 9th Duke of Wellington

Marquess Douro
Whence the "of"? I have always understood that since this title's creation in 1814 it was simply "Marquess Douro", as cited here. FactStraight (talk) 01:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

The "of" seems to have been invented informally by later Wellesleys. Indeed, heirs apparent to British peerages have been known to make up courtesy titles if their predecessor does not possess a suitable subsidiary (such as Frederick North, Lord North), and as such people are only "commonly called" by those titles anyway there would seem to be a bit of flexibility in how precisely they style themselves. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

10th Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo
Shouldn't the title of this page not be renamed Charles Wellesley, 10th Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo? He officially claimed the title and is now legally recognized as the new "Duke of Ciudad Rodrigo", but the title "Marquess of Douro" is only a courtesy one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.40.7 (talk) 09:14, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It should, unless we want to imply that somehow a Spanish Dukedom is below an English Marquessate. --Simfan34 (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that's wrong. The title of the article should reflect how most English speakers know this person. Naming conventions for aticle titles on Wikipedia state we should use what this person is best known by. Wiki article titles policy states: " Recognizability – The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject will recognize." Gerard von Hebel (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur. The title of this article should not have been unilaterally changed contrary to Wikipedia convention. FactStraight (talk) 07:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Children
Any sources for what the youngest children are up to? Charlotte admittedly is at Oxford University but there isn't a citation for this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.76.7.214 (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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Use of Spanish titles
The Dukes of Wellington do not use their Spanish titles. Instead, they use their english titles (that is, His Grace The Duke of Wellington). Even on Spanish documents, they are referred using the prefix 'Lord', which is proper of the British peerage.

The infobox should reflect this. MaximusWikipedian (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The goddaughter issue
One of the Duke's daughters is the goddaughter of the late Princess Diana. @Unfriendnow inserted this fact. @JayBeeEll reverted the edit as "irrelevant trivia." Unfriendnow reverted back, saying "It's not irrelevant". JayBeeEll reverted again, with no comment.

I noticed this because one of my own edits came in the middle of this little revert war. At the time, I saw merits to both sides of the argument, but I didn't care for the warring, so I reverted with the suggestion that he take it to the talk page. Instead, JayBeeEll waited long enough to avoid the WP:3RR, then reverted back with further arguments. (That's now how 3RR works, by the way.)

After further thought, I've decided that I agree with Unfriendnow. The Duke's notability comes largely from his status as a member the British aristocracy. That makes his connections to other aristocrats significant. So the fact that Diana agreed to serve as godmother to one of his children is not trivia.

So, JayBeeEll, the consensus is against you. Unless that changes in the next couple of days, I'm going to restore Unfriendnow's edit. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 02:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Would you mind joining me at Andrew Cavendish, 11th Duke of Devonshire to basically argue the same thing but about different prominent people? @Isaac Rabinovitch Unfriendnow (talk) 17:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * JayBeeEll is offline for the rest of the month. I'd suggest you just go ahead and make the change. If he still wants to pick this nit in June, we can talk about it then.
 * I strongly urge you to respond to reverts on talk pages, not with a counter-revert. Arguing about content in edit comments never ends well.
 * And both of you need to show a little more patience and civility. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

"His full title and style"
The (last) paragraph of the article purports to state his full title and style, beginning with "His Serene Highness..." It's unsourced and seems dubious WP:OR to me. Why would the Dutch/Belgian style be used over "His Grace", for instance? Each of the realms will have their own conventions/rules on how this would be done and I'm not sure it's just a case of stringing all the titles together (and why in that order?). I've added Citation needed and Dubious tags to it. DeCausa (talk) 12:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was only added here so I have simply reverted. DeCausa (talk) 12:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)