Talk:Charles Wesley

"Hymns" vs. "Lyrics"
The word "lyrics" fits with the word, "songs." This implies music someone writes, to which they set words.

The word "hymns" fits with the words, "hymn tunes." This better describes the nature of Charles Wesley's works. He wrote "words" = "texts" = "hymns." He did not write the music for all the hymns (=texts) he wrote. Your examination of ANY hymnbook page which shows a text (=hymn) of Charles Wesley, will show that the music (=hymn tune) has its own credits (someone who is NOT Charles Wesley). Charles wrote words, not the music to set the words and make them available for singing.

Researches in the back of hymnbooks will discover meter indexes, from which you may find tunes to fit Wesley's hymns. You can then sing Wesley's hymns (=texts) to different tunes of the same meter. Charles wrote words, not the music which sets the words and makes them available for singing.

Probably the best way to describe Wesley's works on the Wiki page is to offer a brief explanation of what a "hymn" = "text" is, and then list the first lines as they are listed (without using the word "lyrics"). If "lyrics" need to be mentioned, include mention of the word in the brief explanation of what a "hymn" is, and contrast "lyrics" with "hymn." 24.7.251.127 (talk) 19:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)hymnlover 11-7-10


 * Quite often in sheet music scores the creation is divided between composer(music) and Lyicist (poetry)
 * So perhaps another description would be 'Verse' written by Charles Wesley, regardless whether the lyrics are written before or after being set to music.
 * For example 'A Charge to keep I have' is a verse written by CHarles, flattered in 1909 by Australian composer Henry John King see NLA 179006569 Tradimus (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Charles Wesley's 250-year-old journals reveal fears that Church of England could split
This is quite interesting and may deserve some mention: 109.148.63.64 (talk) 21:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Another plaque
Another one at geograph.org here:, of the round plaque in the old graveyard of St Mary le Bone, in memory of Charles Wesley, which does not yet seem to have been uploaded to Commons? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Mention of "O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing" in lede
"O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing" is Charles Wesley's most-well-known hymn and the hymn most associated with the Methodist movement founded by John and Charles Wesley (so much so that it's always the first hymn in the Methodist hymnal). Owing to its immense importance to Wesley and Methodism, I added it to the lede, where there already were several less-important hymns. However, I was reverted. I believe that O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing should be re-added to the lede, and, if necessary, one of his lesser-known/lesser-importance hymns, such as "Lo! He Comes With Clouds Descending" or "And Can It Be", be removed.  pbp 23:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I think this seems to be largely based on opinion. I question that it is "the hymn most associated with the Methodist movement". (Contrary to your assertion, it is not the first hymn that appears in Singing the Faith nor Hymns and Psalms, both of which I possess copies of. Granted it may be first-listed in American hymnbooks, which I am not familiar with.) Honestly I was in two minds about reverting; I am particularly anxious to avert the trend of creeping expansion of lists based on editors' preferences, and in applying discretion, I didn't think that the hymn's article is of sufficient quality to be highlighted, in contrast to the other listed hymns' superior articles. However, since you feel so passionately - and I have no strong objection - I will reinsert the hymn in the lead (properly styled this time). --Hazhk (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)