Talk:Charles de Gaulle Airport/Archive 1

Runway 1 Closure
Runway 1 has been closed recently. Unfortunately, the details are in French and I can't read them. Here's the press release if anyone wants to add this info to the page: http://www.dgac.fr/html/actu_gd/region_parisienne/travaux_roissy/Depliant_TravauxCDG.pdf
 * I can translate the mentioned PDF file, but is it worth doing it now, as the works were planned to be ended 15 months ago? — Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 13:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone mixed the longitude and latitute... One is at the place of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sprotch (talk • contribs) 02:36, 16 November 2004

Rabbits
Something just for fun...we could mention the hundreds of rabbits (or are they hares?) that occupy the grass surrounding the runways at this airport. It's quite a sight to see. --Feitclub 05:36, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
 * I dunno, it's a problem lots of airports have. I can think of LHR and ORD for starters. The real problem it causes is that rabbit predators (birds) hang around, and get ingested into jet engines. There was a recent incident with an AA MD-80 a couple months ago here at ORD--the engine exploded. But it's definitely not unique to CDG. -Joseph (Talk) 06:18, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)

Time travel
When operation at CDG started on 8 March 1974, how can it be that already on 3 March 1974 a fully loaded passanger airline crashed after starting from CDG? --Abdull 12:24, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too, but my (very limited) online research doesn't seem to list any alternate date when the field opened. I'll keep an eye out and update the section if I come across anything. Yvh11a 03:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

I have reinstated the following content which was removed by the user 80.178.154.44:

Hall E (Terminal 2E)

 * Aeroméxico
 * Air France
 * Alitalia
 * Czech Airlines
 * Delta Air Lines
 * Korean Air</STRIKE><BR>Notice:<BR>Part of Terminal 2E collapsed on 23 May 2004 at 7:00 AM local Paris time, causing 4 deaths and 3 injuries.<BR>All T2E flights are moved to other terminals, causing severe delays due to congestion. Terminal 2E will be closed until further notice.

The user has a history of adding nonsense (a series of d and j characters) to the article. quig 16:28, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe Terminal 2E may have reopened. I have a ticket for early next year (2006) showing that I land there.

In summer or fall 2006, all of Air France's U.S.-bound flights were moved to Terminal 2E. Someone should review the destination list. Rove312 23:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Privatisation
I have heard that Roissy and Orly will be privatized in a near future. Is this true? If it is true, could anybody write anything? J-C V 11:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Article Name
What is the source for the article name "Charles de Gaulle International Airport"? The english version of the airport site http://www.aeroportsdeparis.fr/Adp/en-GB/Passagers/ calls the airport "Paris-CDG", or "Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport", most airlines refer to it as "Paris Charles de Gaulle", the airport code is CDG, so where does the word "International" come from? The article should be just named "Charles de Gaulle Airport" or "Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport", with suitable re-directions from other names. TiffaF 06:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

The use of the word "international" is very much an American usage. Smaller cities in the US often call their airport "international airport". We should research to see if the name is actually Charles de Gaulle International Airport. I think it's not. The word "international" is not used in the French name. Archtransit (talk) 19:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

History
The history section of this article contains very little actual history of the airport. It mainly lists planes to and fro the airport that had something special happening to them. Perhaps those should be listed under their own heading. Under the history heading should come such information as why was decided on another airport near Paris; issues involved in planning; who were the contractors; why it took so long to develop the thing; who did the offical opening; and in what years it reached passenger and cargo peaks. The anecdote of the refugee that's been living in the airport should go into the trivia section. AbCarter 11.24 PM, 19 october 2006 (CET)

Problem
Bravo Air Congo appears on the most recent copy of the EU's list of banned airlines; however, it's name still appears on this list as an airline using CDG.

Braditude 18:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Nasseri
Does anyone know where Nasseri came from, and why he was hospitalized? Basketball110 (talk) 16:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Airport fee
Is there an airport fee to be paid at Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport? Belgian man (talk) 21:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If there is, then it is included in the price of the ticket. I did not need to pay anything when I departed from CDG last July. Elektrik Blue (talk) 16:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Belgian man (talk) 17:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Terminal T2G
Terminal T2G no longer is to be regarded as a project, as it opened today (03-SEP-2008). The main page should be re-written accordingly. Bus shuttle to T2G is said to depart from T2D (public). Signage within the airport I saw today verified this. Archie02 (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

km2 / sq mi
Considering the approximate magnitude of the quantities of measure, would perhaps hectares / acres be more appropriate (e.g. in Geography section)? SimonTrew (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Excessive trivia
Is it just me, or does what I have struck here seem like excessive trivia? Seems like a precedent for listing every single car which could be hired from the various Car Hire firms.

Black car & Limousines Private luxury services are available at the airport. The main car categories are: -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 21:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Business/Executive Sedan: Peugeot 607 or Citroen C6 or Renault Vel Satis or Mercedes E-Class or BMW 5-Series or Audi A6
 * Luxury Sedan: Mercedes S-Class, Audi A8, BMW 7-Series
 * SUV's: Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes ML, Audi Q7, Mercedes GL
 * MPV's: Mercedes Viano, Volskwagen Caravelle, Chrysler Grand Voyager Ltd, Mercedes R-Class
 * Stretch: Lincoln, Hummer, Cadillac
 * special (on request): Rolls Royce, Maybach, Mercedes S-600, Armored cars


 * All gone! Jasepl (talk) 06:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

CDG Hilton
This http://www.seifert.co.uk/images%5Cparis%20CDG.pdf is the architect's profile page of the CDG Hilton. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Air France flights to ORD
I first noticed this inconsistency in the article for Chicago's O'Hare International Airport: According to the ORD article, Air France's CDG-ORD flights are "ending" October 28 (which I find very odd that AF would pull out of ORD). Yet, according to the CDG article, AF's CDG-ORD flights are seasonal (which is also odd). Which one is it? Are these seasonal, or is AF pulling out of ORD for good in October 2011? I went on Air France's website, and was able to find direct ORD-CDG AF flights for November 2011. I am making a correction, to reflect that the CDG-ORD flights w/AF are not ending, nor seasonal. Skyduster (talk) 01:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * AF is only suspending the route to ORD for the winter only (and will resume next summer). During that time, DL will operate the route with its own aircraft until the summer 2012 season. Then AF is flying the route once again with its own aircraft. Both AF and DL route to ORD is seasonal. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Delta's European hub?
I doubt this to be the case. Since Delta merged with NWA they also have a hub at Amsterdam Schipol. Can this claim be verified? Mtaylor848 (talk) 13:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

If you had read the link Given http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&cat=47 Its hubs are Atlanta, Cincinnati, Detroit, Memphis, Minneapolis-St. Paul, New York-JFK, Salt Lake City, Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Amsterdam and Tokyo-Narita they Operate a flight to Philadelphia for Air France basing a Boeing 757-200 and Other Aircraft  79.97.111.246 (talk) 01:41, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Also operates to Boston, Chicago, and Pittsburgh as well. All of these, along with Philadephia, are seasonal flights. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:02, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Delta to Seattle/Tacoma
Can anyone provide a source that Delta is flying to SEA on its own aircraft from 24 March? Delta's booking engine and online timetables only show Air France operating the route well after 24 March and do not show any flights operated by DL itself. Remember, DL and AF have a strong codeshare with each other and joint-venture. Snoozlepet (talk) 04:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delta is using AF code-shared flights on CDG-SEA, and I can't find any mention of them flying their own metal on summer 2012. Slasher-fun (talk) 09:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There's this topic on A.net, but no real source besides "according to Network and Planning Board". Wait and see. Slasher-fun (talk) 11:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That source, however, is not considered reliable to be included into the table. I will wait and see if DL loads the flight onto their website. If they do, and if there is a source stating such a service then it can be added. I am guessing that DL is probably just replacing AF on its SEA route just like ORD. Snoozlepet (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Named #1 of "the world's most hated airports" by CNN
http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/10-most-hated-airports-324645?page=0,1 -- AnonMoos (talk) 04:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Standard of English
Some of the English (especially the syntax) is extremely poor. I just read through the Terminal 1 section and it seems that it was written or edited by someone whose native tongue is french, judging by phrases used. Maybe someone could go through to try and improve the wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.43.238.36 (talk) 16:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Airlines and destinations section messed up with hyperlinks
Destinations should removed of wikilinks due to incorrect format not using by other airports. --B767-500 (talk) 14:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That was a consensus decision in the project discussion... What are you referring to exactly? Slasher-fun (talk) 19:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And this was a relatively recent decision made by the Airports wikiproject, so not all airport pages have the hyperlinks added. &mdash;Comp dude 123 17:17, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Air France destinations is messed up
In the airlines and destinations section, the Air France section is messed up because routes that are year round are listed as seasonal and schengen and non-schengen are mixed up together under Terminal 2 Hall D. please correct this mistake as soon as possible.72.89.35.142 (talk) 00:58, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is based on voluntary contributions, and anyone can edit Wikipedia. Why not to fix it yourself? Also all destinations listed as using terminal 2D are Schengen. Slasher-fun (talk) 13:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 1
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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport → Charles de Gaulle Airport – The odd hyphenation of the city name onto the common name of the airport does not appear to derive from sources or styling guidelines or anything else. Books call it Roissy–Charles de Gaulle Airport, Paris's Charles de Gaulle Airport, or just Charles de Gaulle Airport (or often just Charles de Gaulle, but that's too ambiguous for an article title). I think the new title I proposed in the most common and well known. Dicklyon (talk) 07:01, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * In my opinion "Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport" is the official name of the airport as this is the name used by the owner of the airport (ADP) see: Dgbouma (talk) 14:45, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Same answer than for Paris-Orly Airport: that's the official name of the airport. Slasher-fun (talk) 19:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it is in any sense the official name; many official documents such as this do not use a hyphen. And even if it was the official name, what about our WP:COMMONNAME policy?  Dicklyon (talk) 20:08, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's the way SIA documents are written: City + Airport name without hyphen, even if there's one in the official name. If you check on Aéroports de Paris website, you'll always see an hyphen, including the press releases section (and in every press release). Don't exagerate with the common name policy, it's for the kind of specific cases given in example in the policy definition, in order to use the common name instead of the scientific name for a molecule, or the full name including middle names for a person, otherwise "Netherlands" would be "Holland" and "United States" would be "America". Slasher-fun (talk) 20:55, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport (with or without hyphen) is even announced by cabincrew of Air France after landing, so saying that "Charles de Gaulle Airport" is common, is not doing right to daily use.Dgbouma (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I would have no objection to titling it Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, which is fairly common in sources. It's just the hyphen, which doesn't fit with any normal English use of hyphens, that bothers me.  Besides spaces, other sources use en dash, em dash, comma, or parentheses; a few do use hyphen as well.  But most omit Paris; take a look.  Dicklyon (talk) 21:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment – see corresponding RM discussion at Talk:Paris-Orly Airport, where inclusion of Paris but omission of the hyphen (as Paris Orly Airport) seems to have the most support. Dicklyon (talk) 21:54, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support as nom – either Charles de Gaulle Airport or Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, whicher has more support or less objection from others, or whichever matches the result at Paris-Orly Airport. Dicklyon (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support on balance, since that hyphen looks weird when the second unit is so long. Dicklyon's evidence appears to be strong. Tony   (talk)  06:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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Request reestablishing Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport
Imagine there is a little schoolgirl somewhere wherever, in Africa or in the Philippines or...or...wants to know s.th. about the Paris airport (because maybe her father is travelling there) starting to Google.... Suddenly she discovers that there are 3 airports (at least) in Paris. Do you think she knows about s.th. like Charles de Gaulle? Its for these young people we are doing this Wiki job here. It's time to let arrogance aside and move the page back as it was named before.--Cruks
 * You might find more support for Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport, which is where I thought we were leaning. Try an WP:RM if you want.  Dicklyon (talk) 18:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree, it should have been moved to Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport. I'm surprised that the user who closed discussion thought there was consensus to move the article to simply Charles de Gaulle Airport, when clearly there wasn't.  I would have waited for more users to input, because I only saw 2 supports (one being the nominator).  &mdash;Comp dude 123 23:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm opening a new RM, below. Dicklyon (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2
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The result of the move request was: no consenus. There is insufficient support for these moves, and no policy reasons have been made support to them. Seriously, no one made any effort to establish which, for example, is the common name. "People might not know CDG is in Paris" is not a good enough reason. --  tariq abjotu  02:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

– I recently got what I asked for, moving these to get rid of the hyphenated "Paris-" prefix. But I acknowledge that there may have been more support for putting the Paris without the hyphen, but just with a space. So, let's decide, by supporting or opposing these. I'll abstain from choosing between them. Dicklyon (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Charles de Gaulle Airport → Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport
 * Orly Airport → Paris Orly Airport


 * Oppose either use the dashed form, or leave off "Paris" -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It would be helpful if everyone would stop voting, because article titles are only somewhat subject to that type of discussion. Rather, what y'all need to do (and I know the process was started in the previous discussion) is to demonstrate which name is more common in English language sources. If one name is overwhelmingly more common, then that must be the name we use, regardless of people's personal opinions. There are exceptions to WP:COMMONNAME, but they're narrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We have not to think what is common in English language, we have to think about those who use Wikipedia day by day. This is our job. And these are simple people somwhere in this world. Their dream is to see this airport personally and go there one day. For that reason they google to find him easier. Cruks (Sorry my computer is damaged, cant write tildes).
 * No, Cruks, this is not WIkipedia rules. You cannot create some fictitious person and invent what you think they want to know. Our policy on titles is very clear: choose the common name in English. Exceptions are in cases where such a name would be ambiguous, sometimes NPOV reasons (though not usually), and sometimes projects can define standardized names (although those can always be challenged by the community at large). In any event, your premise doesn't work anyway: a person who is searching for the airport will, by definition, most likely be searching for the most common name. Remember, we can have redirects that come back to this from other names, but to choose the name we must choose the common name. And if you can't type tilde's, copy them from just below the editing window (where it sasy "Sign your posts on talk pages"). Qwyrxian (talk) 00:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, that if the choice is to add Paris, it should be moved to Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport, which is where it started out. Apteva (talk) 00:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with whom? Nobody has suggested a hyphen. Dicklyon (talk) 21:10, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "use the dashed form" normally means "use a hyphen". Most people are not aware that they are not the same, and clearly dashes are not normally used for airports. Apteva (talk) 00:52, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I see; more of your dash denial. Anyway, your preference is still puzzling.  Usually you argue to style like in sources.  But "Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport" seems to be in few books, and few web pages, compared to those with space.  And those books where it does appear are mostly compilations of wikipedia articles from when we had it that way.  That's why we got away from that in the first place; it's both a meaningless nonstandard use of hyphen AND rare in sources.  So, the current question is between putting Paris back or not; I think this other direction of yours is pure disruption.  A dash I could understand, but it's not really indicated here; the hyphen has already been considered and rejected.  Dicklyon (talk) 02:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be "hyphen denial", but not on my part. The references, such as this one use a hyphen. Apteva (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry what? Fictitious persons? I just made simple examples standing for hundreds of people every day looking for Paris airport.--Cruks (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support – It's more clear that the airports are located in Paris when you say so in the title. Some people may not even know that the name of the main airport in Paris is called Charles de Gaulle Airport, and might not be sure that they are going to the correct article.  Having the city clears up the ambiguity of whether this is actually the airport in Paris.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 21:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is very good argumentation.--Cruks (talk) 00:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support Still the same reasons Slasher-fun (talk) 23:05, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the support, Slasher-fun, Compdude123. My argumentation seems to bring fruit. Does it not say London Heathrow Airport? And for which reasen we dont put it Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport?--Cruks (talk) 00:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there any other airport named Charles de Gaulle in the world? If so, is it so important to make a distinction in the article's name for the Paris one, when it is one of the busiest airports in the world? And if so, why not requesting a move, for instance, to "New York John F. Kennedy International Airport" for JFK? Can anyone please bring common sense to these discussions...--Jetstreamer Talk 02:20, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Jetstreamer, many educated people know him as CDG or Charles de Gaulle Airport, right. But we must think also about those who dont have this education level.Cruks (talk) 07:56, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Heathrow was discussed here and here. Apteva (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
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New Top Routes Table in Statistics section
Recently, a user had found that the table previously used from the top routes to/from Paris were figures from CDG and Orly. Can people help out and try to find a table for CDG only? Thanks. --'''ConnorLax101 —Preceding undated comment added 22:33, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * WorldTraveller101 has added a new table but some figures are definitely wrong to me (like Montréal being missing), and he is unable to provide a source despite many requests. I'll remove that table if he still fails to provide a source. Slasher-fun (talk) 09:22, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Status of article name discussion
I still find it odd that the main article pages of both main Paris Airports still reside under Charles de Gaulle Airport and  Orly Airport and not under their official names used by the owner Aéroports de Paris as Paris-Orly Airport and Paris-Charles de Gaulle as in all their English language press releases (latest). The Template:Airports_in_France lists them as Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Paris-Orly. It's kind of a mess regarding consistency.

I understand that user Dicklyon doesn't like hyphens where they are not necessary, but this is, for my understanding, a POV argument. It doesn't matter if the hyphen looks weird, it's either official or common name (as an analog application of the MOS policies on possessives). I think, here official name trumps common name, since the official name is not obscure or not in common use and it helps improving preciseness and conciseness as in natural, sufficiently precise, concise, and consistent with the titles of related articles from the MoS.Some Airports even use dashes like Austin–Bergstrom International Airport and more relevantly here Lyon–Saint Exupéry Airport and Toulouse–Blagnac Airport. So I guess, since only the minority of people is aware that there even is a difference between a hyphen and a dash in normal use, I would even ultimately support naming them:
 * Paris–Orly Airport
 * Paris–Charles de Gaulle

If a consensus is found, it should be added in these two places:
 * Manual_of_Style/France_and_French-related
 * Manual_of_Style (Especially, there is currently no rule on hyphen to dashes, when it's not clear what is used in the first place and a dash would be the more appropriate choice.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diskurs (talk • contribs) 17:32, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I cant see any reason why either article should be moved from the current common name, wikipedia doesnt have to use the "official" name and lots of articles dont use official name. That said with any discussion about dashes and such like is not really needed. Your are welcome to start a requested move if you dont like the current name. MilborneOne (talk) 17:39, 25 October 2014 (UTC)


 * The thing is, it's hard do proof what is a common name, also I haven't seen any convincing sources which would override the official name yet, at least outside aviation professionals circles, otherwise this issue wouldn't come up every once in the while, brought up by different people. In most news articles it is first referred to simply as "Paris Airport" in the headline, only to be then called "Charles de Gaulle" having the redundant Paris-CDG in there would be simply bad style, but makes no statement about the most common name. A verbatim Google search for "Charles de Gaulle Airport" has the majority of results come back with Paris in front. Adding the ones that come back with "Roissy-Charles de Gaulle Airport" the consensus is heavily in favor of extending the title. Diskurs (talk) 21:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 3
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 06:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Charles de Gaulle Airport → Paris–Charles de Gaulle Airport – No definite consensus for use of "Charles de Gaulle Airport" over the official English language name. Also to get this article title in consistency with the template and other major french airport articles: who use a dash in their title --Relisted. Dekimasu よ! 23:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC) Diskurs (talk) 22:13, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Lyon–Saint_Exupéry_Airport
 * Toulouse–Blagnac Airport
 * Paris–Le Bourget Airport


 * Oppose. This is a far clearer case than Orly Airport, because this title is immediately WP:RECOGNIZABLE to anyone with even a fleeting knowledge of Paris or major worldwide airports. We can safely let WP:CONCISE be our guide here and go with the shorter title. Red <b style="color:#460121;">Slash</b> 22:22, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Then why isn't Newark Liberty International Airport simply called Newark Airport, that's recognizable enough to me, and probably most people who ever set foot into any airport. I don't contest that it's WP:RECOGNIZABLE to most people already, but adding Paris would help a lot of people too; Paris–Charles de Gaulle Airport is still very WP:CONCISE in my opinion while also qualifying for WP:OFFICIAL, especially when also used abbreviated as Paris–CDG elsewhere. Mxfh (talk) 20:55, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Newark should be called "Newark" per WP:UCN. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Support See arguments made above Mxfh (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support not everyone has a fleeting knowledge of Paris. See also London Heathrow Airport.  Gregkaye  ✍ ♪  06:37, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support It's called Paris-Charles de Gaulle in official documentation Slasher-fun (talk) 09:19, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Wikipedia's policy is to use the WP:COMMONNAME. If the nominator thinks the title should be changed, he should give some evidence to prove that the proposed title is the most commonly used title. I do not see any evidence. Consistency is important, but I prefer to rename other articles to keep consistency. For example, on Talk:Lyon–Saint Exupéry Airport it was proposed to be moved to "Saint-Exupéry International Airport" back in 2008. No one has objected the move, yer it was never moved. I think we should move that and similar articles to keep consistency, not this one. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. For recognizability, airport articles should include the city name in the title.  Far from France, billions have a fleeting knowledge of Paris, and aeroplane travel, but no familiarity with Charles de Gaulle Airport.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:14, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Evidence of common usage one way or the other, please. Dekimasu よ! 22:17, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Dekimasu}} How about this? Philg88 ♦talk 06:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Opppose per Vanjagenije, I see no offered evidence that these forms are in fact preferred. There's no reason to assume that there would be consistency in different airport names anyway, and if we *did* want consistency, I'd be in favor of "Saint Exupéry Airport", "Orly Airport", etc. SnowFire (talk) 19:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)


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Incident - Charlie Hebdo manhunt
BBC News are now reportng that two runways at CDG have been closed due to the ongoing seige at Dammartin-en-Goële in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shootings. With only one runway closed, I'd have let it pass, but now that a second has closed, I'm raising for discussion whether or not we should include this in the Accidents and incidents section. Mjroots (talk) 10:09, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No runway has been closed. Inbound traffic has been directed to the south runways to avoid any traffic interference with the helicopters about 3 nm north-east of CDG. North runways have been fully used for departures instead. This is not worth any mention in the article to me. Slasher-fun (talk) 14:49, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Article on United cutting its Houston-Paris route
Chronicle story about the airline cutting its Houston-Paris route:
 * Collier, Kiah. "United cuts route to Paris in the fall" (Archive). Houston Chronicle. July 6, 2012.

It may not be eligible for inclusion in the article, but I note it here on the talk page for the interest of those reading it. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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Terminal information removal
If you wish to contribute, there is a Request for comment on terminal information in airline and destination tables. Wykx (talk) 13:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Where is " Nouvelair" ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:861:3E40:A00:81CA:F4C7:98A9:EF23 (talk) 01:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Apertures and elevated walkways?
The article claims that Terminal 1 has "satellite buildings, each with six gates allowing sunlight to enter through apertures" - sounds like something at Institut du Monde Arabe to me. Alas the satellites are made of several mushroom or umbrella shaped concrete structures surrounded by windows from floor to ceiling while the lower level had some frequent flyer lounges added later with no windows at all. "Terminals of the Satellite 1 will be merged" should probably be the other way round. Satellites 1 and 3 of Terminal 1 are linked by a new structure that replaces the demolished Satellite 2. "Terminals 2A to 2F are interconnected by elevated walkways"? 2B and 2D connect seamlessly as do 2A and 2C, B/D and A/C are linked via an underground passage as are E and F if i am not mistaken. There are certainly elevated roads for vehicles and one might consider the corridors from and to the TGV station as elevated. --46.114.108.166 (talk) 11:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Statesperson? Really??
"is named after statesperson Charles de Gaulle (1890–1970)." Statesperson? Give me a break. The wiki article on de Gaulle correctly identifies de Gaulle as a statesman, and statesman is the proper term to use, regardless of sex. Why must we kowtow to political correctness here? "Statesperson" sounds ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpkatsa (talk • contribs) 18:13, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Area
Total 103.148.26.242 (talk) 18:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Paris–Charles de Gaulle → Paris–CDG
Does anyone think it would be better to change the name from Paris–Charles de Gaulle to Paris–CDG in other Wikipedia articles (such as hubs of airlines, airports' list of airlines and destinations, etc.)? I believe that it's better to change it because: If no one opposes this change before 1 January 2023, I will quietly abbreviate the link name (if mentioned) in most (hopefully all) airport and airline articles from the said date. – RPC7778 (talk) 15:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) The name has too many characters (3 characters v 17 characters)
 * 2) The name can be abbreviated and is commonly abbreviated as such (e.g. John F. Kennedy to JFK)
 * 3) Paris–CDG is more popular than Paris–Charles de Gaulle (Google search results: 82.6-89.6M v 44-47.8M). – RPC7778 (talk) 10:38, 18 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Personally I wouldn’t change it just because it’s “long” (we haven’t used something like London-LHR over London-Heathrow for example). Before changing any more pages, I would add a talk conversation about this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports so it gets more visibility on the entire project rather than just here on CDG’s page.


 * Also just checked the project’s archives, seems this was discussed a few years back over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports/Archive 15, where it was decided to keep the full name because of WP:COMMONNAME. JFK is used since it’s widely known worldwide compared to CDG’s full name being more well known. My opinion right now is leave it or open up a new conversation over at the project, but I wouldn’t just start changing just the cargo section of articles, especially if you’re leaving the passenger destination names alone. VenFlyer98 (talk) 17:18, 3 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'll postpone abbreviating Charles de Gaulle for now, until a consensus is reached. Feel free to revert my edits if you can. RPC7778 (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * You cannot implement such a major change (as it would affect other airports with similar annexes) without a concensus to do so. Any form of "opposition" is therefore not even needed to keep it as it is.

Keep citations for new routes
Hi!

For airlines and destinations, please keep the citations for new airlines or destinations or resumption. There may be a chance that it may be removed.

Also for each airline, please add a references on the third column. Thanks. These may be removed because they are not cited properly. Loveheart547 (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Purpose of the Terminal Assignments before I removed it
The reason why I added it previously until 18 April 2023 because it was the visualize which terminal the airline was at between 13 January 2023 and 18 April 2023.

The reason why I removed the chart was because some airlines changed terminals (for example, notably Air Malta, Air Serbia, Air Tahiti Nui, British Airways, Croatia Airlines, Czech Airlines and easyJet switched from 2B to 2D and some airlines moved from Terminal 1 to 2B and EVA Air moving from Terminal 2E to Terminal 1.) Do not add the chart again or ask for it and explained why I removed it. Loveheart547 (talk) 04:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)