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Charlize Theron's daughters
Is there a reason why important details about her children have been removed? Her son has transitioned and she acknowledged it in a public article. The gender needs to be changed. Bellenoire (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Assigned vs. born
The content to this article used the common and legitimate term "assigned at birth" to refer to sex identified at the time of birth. Another editor has changed this usage to "born as," but the original phrase required no "correction." It is established Wikipedia policy that "it is important to respect the work and ideas of your fellow contributors," which includes not imposing "corrections" where none are needed, just because an editor personally dislikes another's choice of phrase. Spyder212 (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2019 (UTC)


 * That is NOT a "common and legitimate term", that makes no sense scientifically. It is standard practice within the United States that if a child is born with a penis he is a boy or male, and if born with a vagina she is a girl or female.  That's called "science".  The "assignment" comes later, based on sociology, NOT biology.  It isn't a matter of "respect for your fellow contributors", it is a matter of what are actually commonly established practices for hospitals upon child birth.  While there are currently areas in the United States that allow children to have a birth certificate without a gender at birth, that did NOT happen in this case, and at the time of this child's birth, he was born male.  Perhaps having several articles that show "Charlize Theron had a baby itsa boy" would convince you of this?  Please let me know, I can set that up for you, there are several sources that state "had a boy" and that should settle the discussion.RTShadow (talk) 23:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * RTShadow - You stated: "That is NOT a "common and legitimate term", that makes no sense scientifically. It is standard practice within the United States that if a child is born with a penis he is a boy or male, and if born with a vagina she is a girl or female.  That's called "science"."


 * This is, in fact, an error.


 * The following quote is from the abstract of a paper found on PubMed, a portion of the National Institutes of Health website. This article illustrates scientific terms used in the field of gender medicine, my emphasis.: "The Biological Contributions to Gender Identity and Gender Diversity: Bringing Data to the Table", Behavioral Genetics, 48 (2), 95-108, Mar 2018 --- "The American Psychological Association defines gender identity as, "A person's deeply-felt, inherent sense of being a boy, a man, or a male; a girl, a woman, or a female; or an alternative gender (e.g., genderqueer, gender nonconforming, gender neutral) that may or may not correspond to a person's sex assigned at birth or to a person's primary or secondary sex characteristics" (American Psychological Association, Am Psychol 70(9):832-864, 2015)."


 * - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29460079-the-biological-contributions-to-gender-identity-and-gender-diversity-bringing-data-to-the-table/?from_term=transgender+children&from_page=6&from_pos=8


 * The search for the term "sex assigned at birth" = https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=sex+assigned+at+birth

Model?
Why doesn't the infobox and introduction say that she is a model? Isn't that how she got her start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergamer345 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Main image
I am unclear why the main image being used on this article appears to be highly unrepresentative of what Charlize Theoren actually looks like. Given wikipedia's Image policy of not using unrepresentative images under WP:BLP and WP:MUG. Perhaps a more representative image should be used instead although I do not know how to accomplish this. Any assistance would be highly appreciated. OneSixtyNine (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree; I think the previous main image was better. The current black-and-white image isn't bad for a screenshot, but still, it's a screenshot. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume that the screenshot was chosen because it is of a more relevant date (March 2020), whereas the other is from 2018. There is the one from 2020's Golden Globes, but I think I've seen it on another Theron page and it's also a screenshot. MonkeyStolen234 (talk) 10:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - I've gone ahead and replaced the image with the previous one given there was no consensus to change it in the first place,
 * Anyone wishing to change it should obviously start an WP:RFC first, Cheers, – Davey 2010 Talk 10:43, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Children
I am bringing up a subject in Archives 4, discussed by just a few editors from two or three years ago. Is it necessary to mention Ms. Theron's young children? Wikipedia's Biography of Living persons policy should also apply to a child, and since we do not know very much about this particular subject I suggest something like "she has two children" is sufficient, and the rest is unnecessary and too intrusive. The children have a right to privacy which, I suggest, is violated here.Princetoniac (talk) 05:58, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the above, however it seems that disclosure has been given. But if mention is made in this context assigning the link assigned male at birth is actually harmful and offensive when we are just talking about the existence of the person. I have deleted this and traded it for transwoman, which is far more informative and appropriate. If this was an article about the child and their struggles for identity were a part of said article, then "assigned male at birth" (AMAB) might be considered appropriate. In either case AMAB (or AFAB) is not used as a universal signifier for all trans and/ or inter people. talonx89.12.134.221 (talk) 12:21, 21 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Per the assumption of privacy of particularly non-notable minor children in the BLP policy, I agree with that "she has two children" is quite sufficient for this article. The current content has already attracted racist and sexist vandalism. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Citizenship
So for some reason whenever I correct the line "South African and American" to "South African-American" as that's the proper way to state that if someone has two citizenships. It keeps getting reversed and I don't know why but whoever is doing it I think should review other article pages of people with dual citizenships and see that the term "South African-American" is the proper way to stylize that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)


 * No it's not. Xxxx-American is how the ethnicity of Americans is written. Theron is a citizen of both South Africa and the United States. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Grammar when it comes down to the nationality
I honestly don't understand why everyone wants to go with "South African and American" over "South African-American", and claim that "South African and American" is the right way, when "South African-American" is grammatically proper. --Xfhxzf (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * We had a long discussion about this issue. The problem with South African-American is that it falls into the Xxxx-American pattern that is already well established as meaning American of Xxxx ethnicity or ancestry, such as African-American, Italian-American, etc. (Most of whom had never even visited Italy, etc.) In Theron's case she is in fact an immigrant to the US from South Africa who took US citizenship without giving up her South African citizenship. Thus she is "South African and American".
 * BTW, she was already notable (and this article was created) long before she became an American citizen. That's also why this article is written in South African English. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

, How do you know that “South African-American” just means “an American citizen of South African decent”. Because that’s not what it means when it’s typed in an article. I might start listing examples above next time we chat. Xfhxzf (talk) 07:49, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , because what you are typing does not fall in line with MOS:ETHNICITY nor MOS:OPENPARABIO. Dual citizenship should not be hyphenated, just as you would not hyphenate it American-South African. She is South African and American. Just as noted, "Xxxx-American" has a different context. AldezD (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, As I stated before, I'd might list examples, so I am. Though I can understand both of your points. Dodger67, you stated that "the problem with 'Xxxx-American' is the pattern that is already well established as meaning American of Xxxx ethnicity or ancestry". And AldezD, you stated that Dual citizenship should not be hyphenated. However, both points puzzle me a bit. Why? well there are BLP articles about citizens with dual citizenship, and it's hyphenated. And there are BLP articles about American celebrities of Italian decent, but it just says 'American' because that's where they were born and where they have only lived. So here's the list.

American figures of Italian decent

 * Al Pacino
 * Joe Pesci
 * Danny DeVito
 * Steve Buscemi
 * Robert De Niro (though he does also have dual citizenship)
 * Stanley Tucci
 * John Turturro
 * John Travolta
 * Ralph Macchio
 * Ray Romano
 * James Gandolfini
 * etc.

Immigrant figures in the US

 * Ettore Boiardi
 * Arnold Schwarzenegger
 * Eric Braeden
 * Camila Cabello
 * Natalie Portman
 * Chuy Bravo


 * And I'm kinda done listing for now. But I hope this help to understand the confusion between 'South African and American'. Xfhxzf (talk) 02:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And just a better understanding. Xfhxzf (talk) 02:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Will one of you RESPOND ALREADY! It's almost been 2 weeks. Xfhxzf (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Um, having the hyphen would falsely imply she is African-American, which is a big no-no. 2A00:23C4:3E08:4000:9B:6B10:9482:D376 (talk) 10:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Tell me why. Because I see that with other articles Xfhxzf (talk) 00:00, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Definitely agree with Xfhxzf. In most articles about immigrants in America with dual citizenship, the citizenship is hyphenated. For example, Gregg Sulkin and Karan Soni. This pattern of Country of origin-Country of residence is a clearly established practice throughout Wikipedia in my experience, so I'd argue South African-American is more clear and concise. Secondus2 (talk) 12:14, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Mos Def is not mentioned as one of Ms Theron's co-stars
This bio mentions all featured in The Italian Job with Charlize Theron except Mos Def. Cosanders1 (talk) 10:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)