Talk:Charlotte Clymer

No discussion of Clymer's pre-transition controversies?
Pre-transition, Clymer was a prominent figure in feminist journalism / activism / social media, and was the target of intense criticism for alleged misogyny (including hundreds of signatures on a change.org petition to fire Clymer from Huffington Post):
 * https://www.thecut.com/2014/10/you-want-to-be-a-male-feminist-maybe-dont.html
 * https://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/fast_company_promotes_live_chat_with_creepy_male_feminist/
 * https://twitter.com/i/moments/1044596337805672448?lang=en ["The accusations of misogyny that taint Charlotte Clymer's past"]

Shouldn't the article mention that? 68.9.181.144 (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Those are shaky sources for negative statements about a BLP. Regarding The Cut, "There is no consensus on whether it is generally reliable for contentious statements" (WP:RSP). Regarding Salon, "There is no consensus on the reliability of Salon" (WP:RSP). And of course Twitter is unusable. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:29, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree that the sourcing isn't reliable enough. Does anyone know what Clymer's job is now? I see that she left Human Rights Campaign, but I haven't been able to figure out what she moved on to. Marquardtika (talk) 16:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Secretary of Education? GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:53, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * LOL! Marquardtika (talk) 17:10, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Huffpost wrote an article quoting Clymer and she appeared to have participated in the creation of the article:
 * ''Stephanie, I'm going to let you in on a little secret that, apparently, no one has had the guts to tell you up to this point in your life: having a vagina does not grant you magical powers of perception and nuance anymore than my penis magically blinds me from the horrors of the world.


 * ''You have to earn respect for your opinion. I'm not going to hand it to you because you're a woman talking women's rights.


 * ''And yes, I am the leader of this page. These are my moderators, who I have selected for the page that I created and into which I have poured money for advertising, and make no mistake: I do hold executive privilege (your favorite word, apparently), and I do have the final say on decisions. However, I trust my mods, and instead of being a dictator, we work as a team of equals. They let me know when something's off, and I listen to them and heed their advice.


 * ''I run this page, a feminist blog, write a column for another feminist blog (under a woman editor-in-chief who respects my writing and invited me to contribute articles), and on top of all that, I volunteer 30-40 hours a week at a feminist lobbying firm.


 * ''Here's a good question: what the fuck have you done for women's rights, lately, other than troll the page I created?


 * ''You want to talk about privilege? Fine, we'll talk about privilege. What about your idiot privilege? It would seem you're so used to people not calling you out for being an absolute fucking moron that you've become blind to how your asshat actions affect others.


 * ''So no, after us reaching out to you, you decided to insult me, and, more importantly, my moderators with your bullshit, half-hearted, tongue-in-cheek apology.


 * ''Supposedly, you're an outstanding feminist but have no problem telling my women moderators how they're supposed to think and feel.


 * ''Please accept my invitation of hide-and-go-fuck-yourself.


 * ''And one more thing: If I ever see your name on my page again, I will report you for harassment and block you.


 * Feel free to relay this message to the 1% of women feminists out there who foam at the mouth and put their bullshit on everyone else who disagrees with them.


 * Charles
 * I think a reference to this criticism should be mentioned somewhere in the article, because she is a public figure and her words have been documented by a reliable source. Let me know your thoughts!
 * https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/men-feminism_b_3275303 76.210.33.19 (talk) 18:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It should definitely be included in the article, otherwise it is biased and not an accurate BLP. Clymer has been active for a while and it should be covered too. Journalist Darlena Cunha wrote a HuffPost article criticizng Clymer's role in various feminist organizations in 2013. Feminist media group Bitch removed an article by Clymer and Editor Sarah Mirk wrote that this happened "after readers brought to our attention the author’s history of lashing out against feminist critics" then called this "an extremely rare and significant decision." I will say, as a trans person, misgendering and deadnaming should be avoided when writing about her pre-transition work. Stanloona2020 (talk) 8:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you have a specific content suggestion? Marquardtika (talk) 21:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)