Talk:Chartism/Archive 1

References please
Must be some good books on this. Charles Matthews 17:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


 * A good book on the Chartists is: Chartism by Eric Evans. Saiyanora

First reform act
The First reform act doubled the number of voters from 400 000 to 800 000. It's probably exaggerating to say that "the majority of the male middle class" got the voteJohncmullen1960 09:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Parochial story
The article paints the Chartists as a failed movement. It doesn't mention that many of them were transported to Australia got their program up. Pepper 150.203.227.130 02:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Excitement
I can see people have put some work into this article. But i'm afraid it's not very exciting. It was the first mass workers movement in the world, producing masses of newspapers, debates, poems, songs. the Strike of 1842 shocked the world. Can we make the movement sound a little less tame ? Johncmullen1960 08:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

A revolutionary movement?
Chartism is a huge topic in British history and I have read quite much on it, however I am unsure how revolutionary actually was the movement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.130.95.38 (talk) 03:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

National Land Company
The link for National Land Company is routed to British Land, but there's nothing there connecting it to the National Land Company. Has the National Land Company been confused with the National Freehold Land Society? Bazj (talk) 17:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776
Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776 links here, making reference to the Pennsylvania Constitution containing 5 of the 6 points in the People's Charter. I think that it should be listed on this page under the history section. It does list Birmingham Political Union which is good, but as you can see that was not formed until the 1830's. Making the 1776 about 54 years older. Now I wouldn't contend that the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776 is the only influence, but I think there is ample proof they are connected. I am curious if this has been omitted on purpose? No offense, but I have seen what nationalism can do to a wiki page first hand. 76.123.149.130 (talk) 02:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

1848 revolutions
I though the article shouldn't imply so heavily that the revolutions in Paris, Berlin, parts of Italy, Vienna and other cities in the Hapsburg Empire were as a result of the publication of the Communist Manifesto. There were quite numerous long-term and short-term causes and they varied throughout the different countries. Undoubtedly the publication had some effect but someone more qualified than me should maybe make it a bit clearer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.79.225.4 (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am editing this paragraph because the Manifesto had nothing to do with the cause of the 1848 Revolutions. It is not even "debated" as the paragraph says. -Phil5329 (talk) 20:31, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Chartism and Christianity
Added this section from research after reading Wise Blood article which had a schoalarly quote that mentioned Charitsm in a religous sense, and which had been given a link to this page, and at that time no connection could be found. Included the quote by the historian who views this combination as the first example of the modern political preacher.Wowaconia (talk) 22:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Want to suggest a rewrite for this section. The arguments made regarding the apolitical character of Christian Churches in the period are anachronistic, too general and grossly inaccurate. For example, in 1833 John Henry Newman wrote (in Tracts for the Times #2): "There is an unexceptionable sense in which a clergyman may, nay, must be political"  In fact, much of the Tractarian movement was dedicated to affirming the clergy's right to speak to the state (see also John Keble's Sermon "National Apostosy).  Other examples - Thomas Arnold's Principles of Church Reform (1833); Thomas Chalmers "Lectures on the Establishment" (1838) and Gladstone's The State in its Relations with the Church  all which deal with the Church's relationship to the state. I think part of the problem with the section is that it is based on one article.  Most Victorian scholars would disagree with the main argument of the entire section. Anyway, I don't know how to go about this as I haven't done too much wiki stuff and just came across this whilst doing research.  So I thought I'd just add to the background discussion.

World history
spanish colinist in latin america who were born in spain were called ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.142.193 (talk) 13:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

1848 Revolutions (again)
The article Revolutions of 1848 implies that Great Britain was aloof from the upheaval on the continent, that Chartism was all done and dusted. This seems to me to be economical with the truth. Is there any [presumably modern] scholarly analysis that recognises [or denies] any connection? Did the ideas of Chartism 'infect' Britain's neighbours? --Red King (talk) 19:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Movement or Party
I suggest that a political party is a legal person whose objective is to promote its own candidates for election to political office. Chartism would fail this test because it was not a legal entity, nor did it promote its own candidates for election to political office. I have therefore removed the category:

If you think I've got this wrong, please discuss it here—GrahamSmith (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
 * the definition of party as a "legal person" -- I don't think so. The parties were not incorporated in the 19th century. The main parties were not :legal entities" either. Rjensen (talk) 01:17, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

After 1848
The article neglects the last phase of Chartism and the role of Ernest Charles Jones and George Julian Harney, who tried to give the declining Chartist movement a clearer socialist and international orientation. Both were in contact with Marx and Engels. Friedhelm, Germany --79.228.23.82 (talk) 11:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * And the article says Chartism ended in 1848… but how can explain this 1855 article from The New York Times describing the movement as a thing “of the present”?--MaGioZal (talk) 02:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

A serious overhaul needed
This is an article rated as High importance to two different projects. I stumbled across the page, and made some superficial improvements, but I am no expert. The majority of the citations cite entire works without any specific references, and I have tagged a handful of further unsubstantiated claims. I am not capable of such an overhaul, but it is much needed. Vincent Moon (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, it reads as an opinion piece and needs a thorough overhaul. Are there no chartist scholars out there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.206.7 (talk) 08:14, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Peep Green Rally ?
Have just joined wiki and still finding my way around so not sure how to edit/post refs yet and am a little unsure but thinking maybe a line or two about the Peep Green Rally could be added ?

The largest ever political rally in England in 1838 when a quarter of a million people attended the Chartist meeting at Peep Green,  Hartshead Moor, (West Riding of Yorkshire) to hear Feargus O'Connor speak".

What does everyone think ? Peepgreen (talk) 17:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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