Talk:Chase Finlay

Alexandra Waterbury lawsuit and Finlay's resignation
and are repeatedly removing this section from the article, citing violations of WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE:


 * In September 2018, Finlay was sued by his 20 year old ex-girlfriend, Alexandra Waterbury, for sharing nude photos of her with other male company members without her consent.    The lawsuit also mentioned that others were similarly victimized by Finlay who sent nude photos of them to at least one donor and several male company members accompanied by misogynistic and crude language.     The lawsuit stated that one donor wrote “I bet we could tie some of them up and abuse them like farm animals" to which Finlay replied: "or like the sluts they are.”   Finlay resigned from the NYCB.   Two other principal dancers with the NYCB who were implicated in the scandal, Amar Ramasar and Zachary Catazaro, were dismissed by the company.

While this paragraph can be shortened, the content is supported by reliable publications like The New York Times and I see no reason to exclude the content from the article since it's pertinent to the article subject. Suggestions for how this content should be reintroduced into the article are welcome. —  Newslinger  talk   12:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I've reintroduced the content in a much shorter paragraph and removed some of the details of the lawsuit. The paragraph is well-supported by reliable sources. Here's the new version:


 * In September 2018, Finlay was sued by his 20-year-old ex-girlfriend, Alexandra Waterbury, for sharing nude photos of her and other female dancers with male company members without their consent.   Finlay resigned from the New York City Ballet in August 2018 during the company's investigation.

Feel free to improve or discuss this. —  Newslinger  talk   12:40, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

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 * I've added "allegedly" to the sentence. The paragraph now reads:
 * In September 2018, Finlay was sued by his 20-year-old ex-girlfriend, Alexandra Waterbury, for allegedly sharing nude photos of her and other female dancers with male company members without their consent.   Finlay resigned from the New York City Ballet in August 2018 during the company's investigation.
 * The contents of the lawsuit are verifiable, and are supported by reliable secondary sources. Secondary sources, by definition, compile and present primary sources, so you don't really have an argument there. If Finlay's point of view is reported by a reliable source, you're welcome to include it into the article. —  Newslinger  talk   16:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Are the sharing of images an "alleged" action though? According to sources he actually did share. The lawsuit determines whether or not it was a crime, not whether or not he did share these images. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, upon review "alleged" works, as they are allegations. Silly me. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk)

These edits are very clearly in violation of NPOV. As previously stated, content should be representative of ALL views so as not to give undue weight to one particular point of view. In order for any edit to abide by Wikipedia guidelines, an editor will have to include the opposing point of view from a viable source.Mpfaia (talk) 18:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's not how WP:NPOV works - we don't withhold reliably-sourced information until someone has added 'the opposing view'. This content is very reliably sourced, and should remain on the page, but if you can identify reliable sources to add additional information, such as Finlay's defense, please do so. Girth Summit  (blether)  18:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)