Talk:Chasing Amy

Bisexual
Why is it the word bisexual is never used in this movie? It certainly seems to fit Alyssa's sexual history better than "lesbian".


 * Because until the third act it would be a spoiler, and after that point it would be unneccessary.

Fisting
The movie is notorious for having brought the sexual technique of fisting into the public consciousness. Can we get some sources for this? If not, I'm inclined to delete it. --Furrykef 22:37, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Synopsis
Is there any reason why there isn't a synopsis?
 * There is one now. Sixtus LXVI 19:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Lesbian vs. lesbian-identified bisexual woman
I changed the following sentence "Once there, however, Holden is shocked to discover that Alyssa is actually a lesbian-identified bisexual woman," to read "Once there, however, Holden is shocked to discover that Alyssa is actually a lesbian." Here's why.

Though I know that "lesbian-identified bisexual woman" is a more accurate descriptor of Alyssa's sexual orientation, I fear that it is misleading to the reader. Holden does not "discover" that she is bisexual, he "discovers" that she is a lesbian, and believes that she is only interested in women. This detail is essential to the storyline of the movie; as it is not until much later in the movie that he learns of her bisexuality, and this discovery causes him much turmoil and is the impetus for many of the events towards the film's conclusion. Stating otherwise would likely confuse the reader, making him or her wonder why Holden is so shocked to learn of her past, if he knew it all along. As such, describing her as a lesbian, at least initially, would better serve this article. &quot;Country&quot; Bushrod Washington 23:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

When silent bob telling his story to holden is jay eating sugar?

Just at the point when Bob starts the actual story (after he's pointing out what Jay doesn't know about him), Jay grabs the sugarcup and takes a couple of spoonfuls. --Baca


 * If she's bisexual, then it is not possible to "discover" that she's a lesbian - assuming the term "lesbian" means a woman attracted only to other women. Regardless of what the director and screenwriter are trying to do, we have to use language correctly. --Uncle Ed (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Chasing Amy film.jpg
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Chasing Amy X?
It's not going to happen...tagged it dubious unless someone can dig up evidence. DodgerOfZion 03:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have any evidence, but I'd like to remark that there seems to be a lot of expectation on the part of the fans for it. If the appropriate executives can be convinced that the fans will shell out for it, they will put it out. Cromulent Kwyjibo 22:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Jaws scene originally written for Mallrats?
"The part where the characters share their "sex scars" is inspired by a similar scene between Quint and Hooper in Steven Spielberg's Jaws (a scene originally written for Mallrats)." -- As written, this seems to be saying that the scene in Jaws was originally written for Mallrats, which is presumably wrong. -- 201.19.15.178 23:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC) How would you suggest fixing it? It's obviously saying that the parody scene was originally written for Mallrats.71.126.192.8 01:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've FINALLY edited that sentence to show that the scene in Jaws was not written originally for Mallrats...hope it's to your liking.    --ocrasaroon (talk) 07:34, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

irrelevant information in actors section
In the "Actors who appeared in other Smith Films" section, there seems to be an awful lot of completely irrelevant information about some of these friends and family members other film roles. While it is interesting that Smith used a relative in three of his movies, John Willyung's roles in Clerks. and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back are in no way relevant to this page's subject: Chasing Amy. I would like to go through here and remove all the extraneous information and maybe even reformat what's left into a list.

I also personally think that this entire section belongs on the View Askewniverse page. Partly because a lot of these are uncredited roles, but also because these claims are not verified. Telling me that Ernie O'Donnell has a cameo in a scene is great - and easily cited. Telling me that he's also Kevin Smith's childhood friend means nothing to me unless you can prove to me that it's true.

Usually, I wait two weeks for a response before making a text-deletion edit. But since I know so many people love the View Askewniverse (and a large percentage of those fans are...how shall I put this...um, "preoccupied" with certain weed-maintenance, I'll wait three to four weeks before removing text or doing any major edits. Thanks!   --ocrasaroon (talk) 07:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

"Aftermath" section
I contend that this section (currently removed) is unsuitable for this article for several reasons: 1. the material is not covered in this movie, which is what this article is about. 2. it's trivial. 3. it's unsourced. 4. an entire section for it is undue importance. DP 76764 (Talk) 04:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, let's address your concerns one by one:
 * I can get you enough sources about the View Askewniverse films having interwined plot parts. The material is not covered in this movie, hence the subheading.
 * It's a direct conclusion about the "open ending" that this movie has: it tells you what happened to Alyssa and Banky due to the events of the film's climax.
 * Again, these are View Askewniverse characters, and that by itself is a source; besides, they explicitly refer to that in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
 * This is an utterly irrelevant policy, since we are not defining a pro/con stance regarding the film.
 * Hearfourmewesique (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The fact that the plots interweave isn't really pertinent. Lots of series have plots that elaborate over multiple episodes; using your logic, we might as well put a sub-section in Star Wars Episode 4 that explains that Luke and Leia are related and that Vader is their father.  Or, more on topic, a sub-section in Clerks that explains that Dante & Randall eventually burn down then buy and rebuild the Quick Stop.  The conclusion of this open ending isn't included in this movie, thus we shouldn't be including it in this article.  This particular exposition belongs in the JaSBSB article, as that's the film where it's actually depicted.  DP 76764  (Talk) 17:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're almost correct – except you're missing the grand picture here: the relationship between Luke, Leia and Vader, as well as Dante and Randall burning down/buying Quick Stop isn't a direct conclusion of the previous film's ending events. Moreover, these are major plot points in the subsequent films, whereas the "Aftermath" here is merely what it is – a short aftermath which has nothing to do with the events of JaSBSB, but is only there to give the viewer closure on the "emotionally open" ending of Chasing Amy. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * And how do you know that the bit in question is a 'direct conclusion' and is intended 'to give the viewer closure'? All of that is going to need a source, at bare minimum.  I'd still like to see other editors' opinions as well; I'm not the only one who has removed this material.  DP 76764  (Talk) 02:40, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This is why we can't have nice things: the failure to remember wp:common sense when it's actually needed. It ain't rocket surgery... Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it is a bit much to have a section devoted to a callback by one film to another. I also think that the connection should be backed by a secondary source to at least indicate its noteworthiness. For example, when connecting a source material and its film adaptation, there are a lot of similarities and differences to list, and secondary sources are cited to list discriminate elements. Is it not possible to find a source for this connection? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 15:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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