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Political context
Recently Nepagreen added material regarding the political context of Chautauqua. This is an important aspect of the Chautauqua movement. However it needs to be worked on. This is a complex task: using historical documents to present a sense of the political context of Chautauqua. It is hard to do without straying into original research. Does anyone have any sources on the political context of the Chautauqua movement? Sunray 01:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Differences in Chautauquas
I think this article could use some improvement, primarily in better differentiating the original Chautauqua institution in New York with the independant Chautauquas that sprung up later on and the still later traveling Chautauqa movement. All three are related but not the same and it's confusing to read an article that treats them as such. I've recently written a fairly extensive paper on the subject and will share that when time allows. -BenFranske 02:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

WCTU
The Women's Christian Temperance Union also played a significant role in many of the Chautauquas. Doc &#9836; talk 03:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Pirsig material belongs on Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance Page
Someone has repeatedly added material to this article regarding the Robert Pirsig novel Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. This novel is irrelevant to the Chautauqua movement.

I do realize that Pirsig used the word "Chautauqua" in this novel in a way that some find interesting. Nonetheless, the novel has no place in this article. I am moving this material to the article on Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

Additionally, please see Chautauqua (disambiguation), which includes links to Pirsig and his novel.

Paul 23:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No it doesn't, actually. This article should mention it, near the bottom. And why isn't it in the disamb. page?  I don't know. Huw Powell (talk) 03:10, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Pirsig's material does offer a modern comparison to the Chautauqua movement; but it is certainly a fundamentally separate entity.

Additionally; I question the reference to Theodore Roosevelt's quote saying that Chautauqua is "the most American thing in America." I have read the books several times; and do not recall that quote. I believe that quote is correctly attributed to Teddy Roosevelt; just the reference here to ZAMM is (I believe) inappropriate. There are several corroborating references online (Time Magazine, et al); but none authoritative that I can find.

Jon —Preceding undated comment added 05:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC).

I agree that citing Pirsig is not appropriate for this quote - ZAMM is fictionalized and should not be used as a source in this context. Bleybovich (talk) 09:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

More than Three Surviving??
Hi.

Two of the three "References" cited for this article agree that only three (3) independent Chautauquas survived into the 21st century: the Chautauqua Institution of New York State; the Lakeside Chautauqua of Ohio; and the Colorado Chautauqua of Boulder, Colorado. The other "Reference" is silent on this question.

How could they have missed the Monteagle Sunday School Assembly in Tennessee, or similar Sunday School Assemblies in other states? I can think of three possible reasons:

1. Is a Sunday School Assembly different from a Chautauqua? I don't know that these phrases are specific enough to definitely settle this question, but if the "References" believe that these are two different things, while the Monteagle people think they are the same, that might account for the difference.

2. Did the Monteagle Sunday School Assembly cease operations for a few years and then resume? If that is the case, then the "References" would not list it. They are concerned with Chautauquas that remained in continuous operation without missing a year. A large number of "revival Chautauquas" (see Chautauqua (disambiguation)) have started or resumed operation in the late 20th century or even the 21st century, two examples being Wytheville, Virginia, and Waxahachie, Texas.

3. Is Monteagle sufficiently obscure to have escaped notice? I doubt that, considering its affiliation with the Chautauqua Network based in Chautauqua, New York. However, perhaps the writing of the "References" pre-dates the creation of the Chautauqua Network ...

What are your thoughts on this? I thought the number of continuously operating Chautauquas was known to be 3, but now I wonder.

Paul 01:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC) Revised Paul 18:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Paul, the Monteagle Sunday School Assembly has been in continuous operation since 1882. In 1982 after celebrating 100 years of operation the Assembly was placed on the National Register of Historical Places. The Monteagle Sunday School Assembly is unique in that it has maintained its charter ever since its conception and represents the true spirit of Chautauqua in every way. There is nothing else like it.

John 63.227.38.36 21:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Another continuously operating chautauqua
The website of the Fountain Park Chautauqua of Remington, Indiana, states that they have operated continuously every year since 1895. Although this is the first I have heard of Fountain Park, I have no particular reason to doubt their claim.

Obviously the time has come to revise the "three survivors" stuff. I will do this today or tomorrow.

Paul 18:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

History
The Chautauqua at Lakeside, OH was founded in 1873. I believe this makes it the oldest one in continuous existence. They are celebrating their 135th birthday in 2008. www.lakesideohio.com

Deaconess (talk) 13:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Deaconess

I think that's an inaccurate assessment. Lakeside, OH was founded in 1874, but wasn't a 'Chautauqua' until later. See below directly from their about page (emphasis mine): "The growing Chautauqua Movement was a natural fit for Lakeside. Its first Sunday school training sessions were held in 1877, which blossomed into a robust Chautauqua program full of religion, education, cultural arts and recreation opportunities during the 1890s." https://www.lakesideohio.com/about

--Bleybovich (talk) 09:31, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Canadian Chautauqua?
I remember watching a movie once called "Chautauqua Girl" about a woman involved with Chautauqua in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amcalabrese (talk • contribs) 19:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and that one was founded in 1859, before the Mother Chautauqua described in this article as the first Chautauqua - it wasn't the first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimsby,_Ontario — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.2.138 (talk) 21:30, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

First Paragraph Unclear
I just came to this site and read the opening blurb. It tells you absolutely nothing about what a Chautauqua is. It says that it is an adult education movement, which is a start, but that also makes it identical to every other adult education movement until more of an explanation is added. I personally do not know what it is, that's why I came to this site, so I cannot fix this.

Muctopus (talk) 14:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

August 1922 'The Etude' Article
"What the Modern Chautauqua is Doing for Music of All Kinds Everywhere in Our Country" is an interesting article and (photo of 1000 automobiles) in the August 1922 "The Etude" Music Magazine. Parts include.. "Alice Nielsen's interview recently appearing in the Christian Science Monitor she says: "I am a believer in the chautauqua as a force in the musical education of the United States. When my friends heard that I had signed a contract for these concerts they all began calling me up and saying, 'Don't do it, Alice!' 'Do you realize that you are going to be obliged to sing in tents?' I told them that I knew that I was to sing in tents, but that I remembered that Sarah Bernhardt had toured parts of the United States in a tent, and had also been told that the people where I was to sing were hungry for music; that in many of the towns they had never heard an opera singer, and I was going down there to sing for them. "I did find them hungry for music; filled with an appreciation of it and gratitude for the singer that gave me an exhilaration I shall never forget." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuzi (talk • contribs) 21:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Upper case?
The sign in Ohio uses lower case. Mencken aside, I suspect this should be a lower case word. Huw Powell (talk) 03:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Should the various 'spiritualist' chautauquas be included here?
Lilydale New York seems to qualify as a chautauqua, perhaps? It was founded in the same era and for the same reasons. valereee (talk) 12:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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In popular culture
The 1969 Elvis Presley movie "The Trouble with Girls (and How to Get into It)" was originally titled Chautauqua and featured Presley as the impresario of a traveling Chautauqua company. The Wikipedia page for the movie links to this topic, but it might be good to include an "In popular culture" section for the reciprocal link. --LaoKtn (talk) 00:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

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