Talk:Chavín culture

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Big issue with entry: The term "Chavins" to refer to people is not in use, nor has it ever been used. A number of different groups that we know very little about (let alone what they were called) were part of the larger Chavin ideological movement/religious phenomenon. But it would be like using "Evangelical" to refer to a culture - not appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mybvega (talk • contribs) 14:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have edited the article to remove references to "the Chavín" as if that were the name of a people. J. D. Crutchfield &#124; Talk 16:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Dubious
This article claims that there is no archaeological evidence to support a hypothesis that the people of the Chavín culture engaged in warfare. If that's the case, it's got to be the only civilization ever in the world that didn't have war. I strongly suspect wishful thinking.

My suspicions are increased by the rather detailed claims in the article concerning the religious beliefs and practices of the Chavín people. We don't even know what language they spoke, so how can we have any idea as to what they believed about anything? We can guess that certain carvings represent deities or shamans, but what the people believed about those figures can never be known. Somebody with time and access to the literature should do some checking-up. J. D. Crutchfield &#124; Talk 19:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added a bit & rewritten, but this does seem essentially correct, and far from unique in very early cultures with a low population density, & no very advanced neighbours. Johnbod (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Johnbod's revisions make a considerable improvement with respect to the assertion concerning warfare. I still find it surprising, if no longer dubious, that an urban society developed without significant evidence of warfare—maybe I'm misunderstanding the nature of the society.  At any rate, I hope the same editor or somebody else will similarly tackle the claims regarding Chavín beliefs.  J. D. Crutchfield &#124; Talk 16:22, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

"The idea that the Chavin were looking for more followers and more participants in ritual leads scholars to believe that it was entirely possible that they tried to coexist in ritual with Christian churches." How could this be? The article said that the Chavin culture died out around 200BCE.

I have issues with the (lack of) neutral POV in this section. It reads as a detailed investigation on how the Chavin elite could "manipulate" people to maintain power. "Manipulate" has significant negative moral implications. Moreover, the entire question seems to imply an assumption that social organization was not natural to the Chavins. Consider: is this a topic discussed in the articles on Greece or Rome? The existence of social organization doesn't need an explanation (unless at a meta-historical level). Particularly combined with the prejudicial language, this reads with an ugly Euro-Western bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.83.91.202 (talk) 18:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

"Chavín Horizon" needs definition
The article introduces the term, "Chavín horizon" but doesn't explain what it means. I presume "horizon" as used here is anthropological jargon, but a layman like me can't be presumed to understand its meaning. Somebody who does, please clarify. J. D. Crutchfield &#124; Talk 16:11, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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A good documentary about Chavin culture for possible mention in a category for popular media: Digging for the Truth, SEASON 2, EPISODE 1, The Real Temple of Doom............ Flight Risk (talk) 08:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)