Talk:Chełm

Humorous Jewish stories
Surely there should be something here about the humorous Jewish stories about the rabbi of Chelm. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:44, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Chelmsford, Essex county, England
Chelmsford in the English county of Essex needs to be twinned with Chlem. The people of Essex are notorious for their unique view on life. Because in the slum clearence in the East-End of London following Hitler's bombing raids whole communities were resettled in Essex - this gave the people of Essex an alternative view on English life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.160.236 (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Name in Polish?
This is an English wikipedia, why is the city name written in Polish? --24.186.170.167 (talk) 18:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Maybe because it's a Polish city. 206.252.74.48 (talk) 16:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)Exactly.
 * I think because both Polish and English alphabets use Latin letters. And this is common situation when names are not translated and this city's name is Chełm in any language that uses Latin alphabet. Likewise English name Winston Churchill is Winston Churchill in Polish. User:Iurii.Fedyshyn 21:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iurii.Fedyshyn (talk • contribs)
 * That explanation ignores the fact that the Polish alphabet includes six Latin letters with diacritics that aren't used in the English alphabet, one of which (ł) appears in this place name. Wikipedia's page naming conventions specify an English-language version only when such exists, otherwise using the place name in the original language with alternative versions that are historically relevant exonyms listed in the lede sentence. I would contend that the "Chelm" in English (i.e. written without the diacritic) is a transcription relating not to the geographic town in Poland but rather to a staple entity from Jewish folklore in translation from the original Yiddish. Therefore, I support the Polish spelling of this page name.-- Deborahjay (talk) 15:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Name is of Lithuanian origin
'Kelm-as' in Lithuanian language means a stump. Like and the name 'Volyn-e' which means to roll or tumble about —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.171.242 (talk) 23:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

City or town?
The text alternates between "city" and "town" – but which, by Polish proportions, is the more appropriate descriptor? The Population section gives 23,221 (1921), 52% of whom were Jews, vs. a total population of 67,702 in 2007. It would be helpful to know population figures ca. WWII. -- Deborahjay (talk) 08:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Polish wikipedia the population was 35570 in beginning of September 1939. Dr. Loosmark  09:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] [edit] [edit]
OK, I give up. I tried removing the headings within the comments, no dice. Why do these three [edit]'s appear in the "Wise Jewish Men of Chelm" section, how do we get rid of them, and could something be built into the Wikifier to detect this and avoid the problem entirely?  Ð ’ n 16:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * [Copied to Talk:Chełm from User_talk:D'n] שלום, דן! I looked for the  [edit][edit][edit]  problem you described on the Talk page but failed to discover it, also by comparing versions in the page's edit history. Since you also raise a technical question, I suggest you place a query on the Help desk (or a more suitable place of which I'm unaware) to alert a qualified Wikipedian to check this out. -- Deborahjay (talk) 04:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Further checking shows this is an HTML artefact of some kind, I'll be taking Deborahjay's suggestion and raising this issue on the Help desk See Help Issue 5.7  Ð ’ n  talk 11:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Turns out this is a known "wrinkle" in Wiki, called WP:BUNCH. The fix is simple, and I'm happy I stumbled across it so that I could learn what it is and how to fix it!  Ð ’ n  talk 14:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

B-class review
Failed for WPPOLAND due to insufficient density of inline citations and poor coverage of most non-history topics. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:35, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Why does the history end with WWII?
Why no mention of Akcja Wisla and the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians from this region? I am not a historian, and thought I might find this information here.

-- lubap (talk) 12 January 2014

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Passive voice and use of word "homogenized"
The overview of this entry uses the following language which is horrifying: "Chełm was once a vibrant multicultural and religious centre populated by Roman Catholics, Orthodox Christians and Jews. The population was homogenized after World War II." The passive voice of the last sentence and the euphemism "homogenized" is offensive. A better phrase might state something like: "The Third Reich and its collaborators destroyed this vibrancy by the mass murder of the town's Jewish population of approximately 18,000 individuals during WWII." cite as provided later down. Later in the article more information is provided on the historical record but the use of "homogenized" is such a whitewashing of what occurred. 71.77.24.36 (talk) 15:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)