Talk:Cheating

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Marion Jones
Is that part in the first sentence supposed to be there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BertCollin (talk • contribs) 12:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Academic dishonesty
This article doesn't mention about academic dishonesty, which is a form of cheating. -- Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 02:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

France cheat in World cup Qualifier
editsemiprotected On the 18th of Nov 2009, France played Ireland in a 2010 world cup qualifier, in the closing minutes of extra time the French captain Thierry Henry clearly handeled the ball in the Irish box, not once but twice, the second directing the ball to William Gallas who scored. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dohray (talk • contribs) 15:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Before adding this, could you please provide a reliable source for the information. Thank you. --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 16:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * After further thought, I do not feel that this should be in the "Cheating" article, as there is not a list of incidents into which that could be put. This incident is referred to in France_national_football_team --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 16:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There's plenty of coverage of the fan response, the question is whether it's WP:RECENTism to give this much weight to a football match from yesterday. Is this going to become as big a reference point as Maradona, or are most people going to have forgotten about it in a month's time? We can't list every single controversial sport cheat in this article. --McGeddon (talk) 16:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree it's too recent. And Henry hasn't made any claims about "the hand of God". William Avery (talk) 16:34, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

is tactical use of fouls cheating or not in sports?
Although this article seems to equate "cheating" with "not playing by the rules", I feel that it should be noted that in some sports, at least, tactical use of fouls (i.e., "breaking the rules") is an accepted practice. This is particularly true of basketball, with situations like the team behind fouling to both preserve game time as well as potentially limit opponents scoring. Such tactics are commonly accepted as legitimate, not cheating. In other sports it is less clear whether or not similar sorts of tactics are accepted as legitimate, but are certainly common enough, and announcers on radio/tv will often offer opinions about whether or not a given foul was "good" or "bad" from a tactical standpoint. In general, it seems to me that coaches and players consider that, if the trade-off between the presumed advantage offered by fouling is greater than the mandated penalty, it can be a good thing to do and is not considered "cheating". This, of course, assumes that there is little or no attempt to hide the infraction, as compared with, for example, a baseball pitcher who surreptitiously defaces the ball, hoping to both gain an advantage while avoiding detection. Wschart (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Sampling
So... buried deep in this page one person feels like "Sampling" is not a legitimate concept simply because it has never been brought to their attention before and "the wikipedian curat U LIKE THE D IT TASTE GOOD U SHOULD TRY IT. IT ALSO TAST LIKE CANDY or of curators" is legitimized for casting out of the canon on the topic of infidelity? I'm not pleased, not at all... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Romaine5 (talk • contribs)


 * Wikipedia is about verifiable things. A word that you yourself invented, and are trying to sell books that contain, does not belong on the project.  If you have references that are are not published by yourself showing that this new word is actually entering the language, becoming commonly used, then there might be an argument to be made for it's inclusion.  But until it reaches the level of use where it has references totally independent of you, the word's creator, then the word simply does not belong on the project.  Please see WP:NEO and Neologism for reasons why it does not belong here. - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * There's also the issue of Spam. With the link to your website, the paragraph is spam.  But even without the link, it appears that you are trying to increase awareness of your word, and Wikipedia is expressly not intended to be used to increase awareness of things.  The project is here to reflect what is already notable, not to get things to the point of notability.
 * Without the link, the addition is unreferenced. References are required for all facts, so that people can confirm for themselves what is true and what is not.  But since you cannot provide references to your book, for spam reasons and WP:OR, we are back to you needing independent references. - TexasAndroid (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Video Games
please please please delete the section on video games, it is a topic that is only pertinent to an extremely small portion of the population. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.169.215 (talk) 05:20, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

A better definition of cheating
I think there is a better definition of cheating than I have found to date. Maybe I should say, more philosophically based and more generally applicable. My thoughts; cheating consists of: 1) Obtaining a goal or desired outcome 2) Doing so outside of norms, rules, tradition, etc. in a way easier for the cheater 3) Usually at other persons' expense (literally or figuratively)

Ex 1: Cheating on an exam. 1) a person desires an improved score 2) they use unapproved sources of information during the exam (crib notes which is easier     than studying) 3) they obtain a higher score, unfavorably shifting a grade curve, obtaining a scholarship     someone else should have obtained, passing a course they should not have (and damaging the reputation of a university), etc.

Ex 2: 1) a person desired improved sports performance 2) they use unapproved medications (steroids, which make it easier to reach peak physical     conditions with less exercise) 3) they obtain improved performance, but since "performance" is relative to others, it     diminishes the results of other players in comparison (they in turn lose out on      desired positions, promotions, financial opportunities, etc.)

Tsbrownie (talk) 14:51, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

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Abused
Abuse or being aBused are two different things. What I mean by that is when you abusing someone else you don't feel the pain ,but when you are being abused you feel the pain you understand bullying let's not confuse the two 41.114.131.219 (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello - the article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article in question (Cheating in this case). No one is confusing those things on this article. Abuse is not even mentioned. Larry Hockett (Talk) 14:03, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

recreational fishing
Cheating in recreational fishing is a difficult example. Here is the source and my proposed wording:

"Cheating by influencing a measurement was illustrated in 2022, when fish caught by Chase Cominsky and Jake Runyon were found to be stuffed with lead balls to increase their weight."

Here is a link to a BBC item on the subject. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63108879

The first issue is the nature of the sport. I have concluded recreational fishing is a game of skill similar to darts. Hunting would probably be in the same category. But there are other ways to describe it.

While looking for similar examples of sports, I was surprised to find no mention of cheating in auto racing, either in this article or articles such as stock car racing and IndyCar Series.

The second issue is to define the type of cheating. I came up with "influencing a measurement". Perhaps the closest example is cheating to obtain a Guinness world record. There is no mention of cheating in the article Guinness World Records either.

What is decided here also affects the following articles: Recreational fishing Fishing tournament Plus, cheating in the other sports I have mentioned could be addressed. Therefore, I decided this case might open a can of worms, so I am leaving it as a subject for someone who has more experience and more time to devote to this area. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 01:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)