Talk:Chechen–Russian conflict

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 19:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Chechen–Russian conflict → Chechen conflict – WP:COMMONAME Ե րևանցի  talk  21:03, 3 December 2013 (UTC) Google Books: *Support Superfluous disambiguation. walk victor falktalk 08:24, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Chechen conflict" - 11,600 results
 * "Chechen–Russian conflict" - 448 results
 * missed the Chechen War redirect pointed out by user:amakuru, I'll have to reconsider. walk victor falktalk 08:51, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong comment - the target article is currently a redirect to Chechen War, which is itself a disambig page between ten topics. So this is not just a question of common name, there's a disambiguation page / WP:primarytopic issue to be discussed as well. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:01, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. What does "Chechen War" even mean? Please take a glance at the Google Books results for "Chechen conflict". Virtually all the matches are about the conflict between Chechnya (or various Chechen forces) and the Russian/Soviet state. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  15:54, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose as per WP:PRECISE; not clear enough what is being referred to. Red Slash 02:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Not clear enough" for what? Take a look at the Google Books results. The only conflict that Chechens ever had had been with Russia. The conflict is most commonly simply called Chechen conflict. See War in Afghanistan (2001–present). -- Ե րևանցի talk  04:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose – malformed proposal. The proposed new title is not available.  Dicklyon (talk) 07:56, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "The proposed new title is not available" What's that suppose to mean? Can you see the Google Books results? -- Ե րևանցի talk  21:08, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It means that the title Chechen conflict is already in use, as a redirect to Chechen War, which is a disambig page for a number of Chechin conflict/war articles. The fact that the term is frequently used  doesn't mean it is available as a title for any one particular topic.  You need to first say what's the relationship to the current use, and why repurposing this title would be a net win.  Dicklyon (talk) 06:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand that Chechen conflict is already in use. I've been on Wikipedia for years to know that. You missed the point. "Chechen conflict" refers to this conflict. It is simply a shorter and a more common (as you can see by the Google Books results) for the conflict Russia has had with Chechens". -- Ե րևանցի talk  06:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Non-correct article
Conflicts in Russian Empire not connected with WW2 or Chechen wars conflict and its not correct to combine this in one article, it must divided in several articles.

Its like create article about "800 years England and France conflict" where wars of 1076-1077 years and 1815 Napoleonic war will be combined in one conflict.
 * Russian Federation is the official successor state of Russian Empire and Soviet Union. You have to acknowledge it no matter it is. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 06:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry but do anyone have idea what this means and from what source it has? ,,Provisional government supported by Nazi Germany (1940–44)''

we understand that soviet regime used that to ,,explain'' genocide of the Chechen nation. was recognised as genocide by the EU commission ( https://www.unpo.org/article/438 ), but do we have any source proofing this ,,Provisional government supported by Nazi Germany (1940–44)''?

I believe that Wikipedia isn't place of Russian propaganda, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.241.255.142 (talk) 21:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

End?
Someone made an edit 5 days ago that says the conflict ended in 2017.

--Rozchwierutany (talk) 00:20, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:COATRACK, WP:SYN?
Do we have any strong RS (books) claiming that Caucasian War, Deportation of the Chechens and Ingush and more recent Chechen wars were all the part of the same century long "Chechen–Russian conflict"? Meaning, specifically the Chechen people rather than the conquest of the whole Caucasus? Because at least the Caucasian War and the deportations involved a lot of different ethnic groups. If we do not have such general RS on the subject, this whole page is a big WP:COATRACK, WP:SYN. I did find one book, but in general this is not treated as a single century-long conflict specifically with Chechen people. My very best wishes (talk) 15:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at tertiary sources (e.g. ) - yes, this is exactly what I thought: all events before 1991 only represent a "Background". My very best wishes (talk) 16:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For example, Sheikh Mansur, although ethnically a Chechen, was a leader of many peoples of North Caucasus (this is correctly described on ruwiki). Basically, this page grossly misrepresents Caucasian War and Stalin's deportations as an ethnic conflict of Chechens and Russians. The Caucasian War was a war against all indigenous peoples of North Caucasus, Stalin's deportations and related events were not wars, but political repression against many ethnic groups. Even two recent Chechen wars were not ethnic conflicts, but conflicts between Russian state and the Chechen movement for the independence from Russia. My very best wishes (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

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End
Kind of weird to proclaim it ended in 2017. The 1956-1991 years were calm as well and yet no pause is mentioned. Synotia (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree, ending it un 2017 is just Russian government version of events. Machinarium (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)