Talk:Chechens/Archive 1

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I believe the official number of 1,3 million people in Chechnya is vastly inflated. There was only 1,1 million in 1991, and then hundreds of thousands emmigrated, fled, or died since (there are also very few non-Chechens left in the republic). For example, population of Grozny halved (officially!).

NPOV violation
I don't belive that all the pics on this page all with NPOV. I belive that an article is supposed to inculude liberal sciences than some Russians opinion of how Chechens are bloody and violent rebeles. The page is supposed to show the culture and the stuff that Chechen are proud of and etc. They can get info about Chechen rebels on TV. For exapmle, I don't belive that Chechens have done as much harm for the World as Afghan Talibans. If you go to Afghan people, it does not show anything like that. So, I am going to delete the irrelevant pics and please don't try to do a NPOV attack. It is no longer the Soviet Union.Sosomk 10:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

NPOV pictures would be Chechens dressed in national costumes, dancing national songs, sheppards attending their floks of sheep, Chechen artists and famous people etc. not numerous pictures of pretty little crying hungry kids with inscriptions like "Chechen refugee girl dreams to see her homeland again" and a barely hidden message "see how these evil Russians opress innocent Chechen civilians and make lives of these kids so miserable" you are trying to promote. Personally I think all pictures at the bottom are not really needed in this article.Fisenko 16:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Fisenko, there are not any hidden messages in these pictures. If you go to Georgian people there are also pictures of Georgian kids and grandma and what does it mean? Nothing. It is just a visual representation of the people of Georgia. As far as culture, it is known to be a dynamic thing. Chechens today don't dress in their national clothing (which is basically Georgian clothing which was used in Georgia since 9th century) and if you have any pics Chechens wearing it, please upload it. Dudaev is a famous Chechen and the kids are also part of the culture. In addition, I don't believe that your habit of going ahead and deleting the gallery is civil. Please discuss it first. Sosomk 12:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Dear Khoikhoi, the war is a big part of any culture in the world. You are the one who knows it best if you just went to Isreal. It is also part of Lebanesse and Israeli cultures, but neither of their country's or ethnic pages we see pictures of people holding AK47s and portraying them as bloody barbarians and etc. So, I think that the pic needs to be out for the page for liberal purposes. Sosomk 09:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I see what you're saying, it doesn't make that much of a differance either way. &mdash; Khoikhoi 17:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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Is it just me or is this a quite serious WP:POINT violation. I understand Shamil, and Sagapova, but why should we include two separatists, especially if Zakayev is not really anybody, and lives in London. I propose replacing some of them, and the alternatives is Pyotr Zakharov-Chechenets (you want to have two historical figures, a political and cultural). I can accept on keeping Dudayev, although it is not best choice (or Makhadov or Basayev, choose one please). The other one is undoubtedly Ramzan Kadyrov (again no personal feelings for him, but his prominance in Chechnya and outside him have made him more popular than Zakayev (check by google, nearly a tenfold increase) and I propose replacing the guy in the hat with him (btw who is the guy in the hat)?

"related groups" info removed from infobox
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all Infobox Ethnic group infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

racial appearance
I am confused of the racial appearence of Chechens.Are chechens white people or do they have more brown/middle-eastern appearence like Arabs or Turks.I once met 3 chechens.2 looked European but 1 looked Arab.Can someone please explain to me as Im very confused about this.-Vmrgrsergr 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I have met several red haired Arabs and red- and blonde haired Turks. So what does an Arab or Turk look like? There are many light Arabs and Turks, like there are many red-haired Chechens.-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.35.179 (talk • contribs)

Your observation is correct. There are some looking Arab, but most are looking European (I would say Mediterranean, but I know some looking typically central-European. The combination of dark hair with fair complexion is quite common). Dark hair is predominant, blonde occurs very rarely (more frequently among children). Eyes are usually brown or green, but gray and blue also happen. Definitely one can say that most Chechens are more white than other Caucasian nations (Georgians, Armenians) Jasra 22:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

So why is it then they have various features.Atleast in the image they certainly look caucasian.But also reading your explanaition i noticed despite the 1 chechen looking Arab,she was still 'white' if looked closer.However I read when European nationlists hunt for immigrants they can distinguish Chechens from them.How is that so? If they look European there must still be a difference for them to be distinguished.I'd like to understand the racial backgorund of these people.-Vmrgrsergr 04:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not much familiar with European (or any other) nationalists, so I cannot say if and how they could distinguish Chechens. I can only suspect that the thing is not only in racial appearance, but also in things like: way of dressing, way of speaking etc. It easier to distinguish a group of Chechens from a group of other Europeans than to distinguish a single Chechen person. I know cases when Chechens were mistaken for other nations. My Chechen friend living in the Netherlands is often mistaken for a Spanish person. Another Chechen person (living in Poland and speaking fluent Polish) is usually not distinguished unless he says his Chechen name. As far as origin of Chechen nation is concerned - it is an indigenous nation of Caucasus. The word "Caucasian" is sometimes used as synonym for "White". Jasra 20:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay what you're saying makes alot of sense.So Chechens are "white" in the technical term,not political term.Makes sense.Thanks alot for explaining this to me though.it has helped clear up some confusion-Vmrgrsergr 06:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC) >Chechens do have a white skin, hovewer, the features of the face are different -0 dark eyebrows, dark hair and etc. They have a rather mediterranean looks (greeks/italians, etc) but white skin. Hovewer it is extremely difficult to create some kind of a standard description, because, for example,. in my life i've met a lot of them, and all looked pretty different, some like typical vikings from movies ))), others like arabs, third perfectly nordic, and some even had somethin like narrow eyes...And all of them claimed to be pure bloods ))))....Oh well.... Almansur.shishan

I never heard of Blonde Chechens. Most Chechens have dark hair, but a lot have red hair too. A lot of Chechens are lighter than the surrounding ethnic groups in the Caucasus. Chechens, like Tatars, are known for their high percentage of red haired people. Abu Musab al-Suri 13:02, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No there are blonde chechens.Many pictures ive seen show it.the "spanish look" is because of osetian influence.Same with russians.Many russians are brown because of the osetian influence.-Vmrgrsergr 22:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I have also seen blonde Chechens. It is rarely light blonde (it can be among children, who usually have fairer hair than adults), but dark blonde (light brown hair) is not so unusual among Chechens. Regards, Jasra 21:43, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Blonde as in "golden" or "yellow" hair.propably not "white" hair as thats rare in almost all persons.-Vmrgrsergr 19:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm a Cecen and im confused for all sorts of stuff lol. I almost had them all --> Moroccon (yes im serious), Iranian, Spanish, Italian and even once Pakistani or Indian. But then again.. im not a full blood Cecen.. im a mix of Tatar/Nogai/Oguzhan (Turkish)/Cecen. :P (Barakus (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC))

"Regions with significant populations", Source?
Hello. Can anyone indicate a source for the numbers given in "Regions with significant populations"? Are these numbers up to date? (Yvonne-moscow 13:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC))

And some grow apple oranges!
Some adhere to a Sufi mystic branch of Sunni Islam called Muridism.

Sufism is not a branch of Sunnism, so this makes no logical sense. Also, "some adhere" is weasel words. --76.249.135.25 (talk) 21:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

True, although people can adhere to Sufism and also follow Sunni schools of thought. --John Cho (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)