Talk:Cheek to Cheek (album)/Archive 1

Links for development
The following links can be used for development of the album. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 09:04, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/6121515/lady-gaga-tony-bennett-frank-sinatra-school-of-the-arts

TV Special
I don't feel like adding it, myself, but I read in multiple news articles today that a TV special will air along side the release of the album. That should really be added somewhere. --LurganShmith (talk) 00:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The article will get a revamp and it should be added under a promotion section. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 07:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --LurganShmith (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Grammar
Please fix "followed by the release of it's music video" in the Release and Promotion section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbsalter (talk • contribs)
 * ✅  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 01:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Other editions
Rolling Stone gives the other editions of the album, like iTunes bonus, Target, HSN etc in this link here. For anyone who is good with adding the track list, please do so. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 16:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ I did it. --LurganShmith (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot Lurgan. :) — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 11:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of contradicting information from early interviews: discussion
I would need to find the article again to use as a reference, but in a very early interview (2012/2013) Bennett stated that Gaga called him with the idea of the album. He said something to the effect of "When Lady Gaga calls you up about doing a record together; you do it." It wasn't until Artpop was negatively received that this idea of Bennett initiating the album was introduced. It can pretty well be assumed that it's a marketing scheme to make this a "Tony Bennett album with Lady Gaga" instead of the originally intended "Lady Gaga album with Tony Bennett" to avoid reports of another Gaga flop. Now obviously we can't formally make that accusation in a Wikipedia article, but early interviews that state this difference in album direction should still be included, letting the reader come to their own conclusion of facts, or simply stating that the album had a change in direction over the lengthy production period. I mean, you can't just completely ignore these early interviews because it contradicts the current album direction.

This also applies to at least a brief mentioning of the track "Paradise" that Bennett directly confirmed as a, then, possible song for inclusion of the album. Though Gaga later opted not to use the song, much to Bennett's dismay, it should still briefly be mentioned in the article as a confirmed outtake.

I'm not telling anyone to make these edits for me, I'm simply asking for other editors opinions on how this information should be included in the article to avoid edit wars, and scandal, and brake what seems to be relatively friendly editor relations on this article. I'd appreciate anyone's opinions on the matter, particularly the few editors who have made the most contributions to the article in the recent months. Thank you. --LurganShmith (talk) 22:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Before anything else, list here sources that say it was Gaga's idea and sources that say it was Tony's idea.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 03:10, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I actually was just about to reply to my own post by saying I can no longer find the two early interviews I've been basing that from. There have been so many articles about the album in the past month that all the google search results are crowded with the new articles. What few I can find from 2012 aren't the ones I've been referring to. So due to my inability to find these two year old articles, I'm no longer trying to add that information... unless I find the information later on and at that time it's inclusion can be discussed. However, I can cite "Paradise" from the article's edit history and I can handle adding a cited sentence or two mentioning it and why it wasn't used, myself. I'll do that soon. Sorry for the confusion/bother, and thank you for replying. --LurganShmith (talk) 04:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Reviews
Reviews have started coming so listing them here.
 * Lady Gaga And Tony Bennett's 'Cheek To Cheek': A Track By Track Breakdown
 * Nature Boy

— Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 18:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Good idea, though I should mention that this is not an album review. I've started the reviews section.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 18:38, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Another review:
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilfredium (talk • contribs) 10:55, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Slant Magazine Review
Alexa Camp's review from Slant Magazine should not be considered legitimate and should be removed from the critical reception section. A large portion of the review focuses on Gaga's career and attacks her as an individual, rather than reviewing the actual composition and quality of the album. The little critique in the review is baseless and sheds light on her lack of knowledge concerning jazz music. A quick skim of Camp's past articles shows her bias against Lady Gaga. Her "review" should not be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lltnt342 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Slant Magazine is recognized as a reliable source per WP:ALBUM/SOURCES, being negative towards an artist does not affect that.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 02:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Just keeping a note here, this is the same user who has been posting vile messages in slantmagazine.com regarding the review and threatening Alexa Camp. In no way I'm even considering such atrocity. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 06:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Huh? If you are referring to me, I have left no comments whatsoever on the article. I just read it and felt as though it was unfair and hateful. However if Slant Magazine is recognized as reliable I understand that. I would never threaten someone over an album review, thats just ridiculous. Lltnt342 (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Physical Deluxe Edition Tracklist
The international tracklist of the physical deluxe edition is not included in this wiki page. It has 18 tracks, as it can be seen in pictures throughout the internet or on Amazon websites:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bx0KtSwCIAA99z8.jpg:large

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cheek-Tony-Bennett-Lady-Gaga/dp/B00MFU3EUG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1411398045&sr=8-2&keywords=gaga+cheek http://www.amazon.de/Cheek-Deluxe-Edition-Lady-Bennett/dp/B00MFU3EUG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1411398299&sr=8-1&keywords=gaga+cheek

Someone should include this version in the Tracklist section.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.84.237.215 (talk) 15:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

France, Japan and Sweden
I know their charts were released, but I cannot seem to find it. Can someone help me out? — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 05:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't seem to find Japan either, but did find Sweden and France.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:16, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Other sources

 * Analysis of the mixing for later addition.
 * How Lady Gaga (and Tony Bennett) Sold 131,000 Jazz Albums
 * Why Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett’s Duets Album Is No. 1 on the Billboard Charts Right Now
 * Full Set List Announced for Tony Bennett & Lady Gaga: Cheek To Cheek LIVE!, Swinging Onto THIRTEEN's Great Performances, Friday, October 24 at 9 p.m. ET on PBS
 * Analysis and impact of the album on Gaga's career
 * Mixing and recording technologies
 * Ted Gioia's analysis of cross-musicians

— Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 03:26, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Russian sales
They are fake. Billboard Russia (the "source") doesn't exist. 188.218.47.92 (talk) 19:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * It is your onus to prove that its fake. The source from Billboard Russia exists as you can see from the url. — Indian: BIO  · [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 04:58, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga: Cheek to Cheek Live!
The redirect for Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga: Cheek to Cheek Live! has been created. Feel free to move content over once we feel a separate article is appropriate. Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I am waiting for what kind of reception the special gets. If it gets ample critical response, I will create this article surely. — Indian: BIO  · [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 16:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Adding some sources: More to come — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 23:01, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The Times-Picayune
 * New York Daily News
 * USA Today
 * Idolator
 * Dallas Morning News
 * The Washington Post
 * NY Times
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Deluxe Cover
I have a question, Why there is not the album cover of the deluxe version? All articles I go there is just the standard? Can't we upload it? Raulkul (talk) 02:16, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * For some reason, deluxe covers are generally not used.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 02:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * when standard and deluxe edition album covers are remarkably same with minute differences, they are not uploaded since the standard is enough to portray the image. For some releases, the standard and deluxe are significantly different and is the subject of discussion within the article. Take for example The Fame Monster, Lady Gaga's 2009 EP, which has both images listed. In this case it passes the WP:NFCC clause of Wikipedia and is allowed. — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 07:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for the answer :) Raulkul (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Tour??
Does this press release confirm the Cheek to Cheek tour? — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 09:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I think so, and Lady Gaga has already said she and Bennett will be on tour next year. Maybe we could create an article about Cheek To Cheek Tour, but let's wait until the official name comes out. Raulkul (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

"Firefly" Wikipedia article
Has anyone looked into whether or not there should be a Wikipedia article for the song "Firefly"? It is the only song on the album without an existing article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:56, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Haven't searched it, so I wouldn't create anything for that just yet.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 19:23, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Starbucks cover art
Is the unique Starbucks cover art worth adding to the infobox? It is substantially different than the standard version. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:08, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Single retailer, being sold only in one outlet, no widespread sales. Ergo, NFCC#3a, 8 fail. So my logic says no. — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 19:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Understandable why one would include it, but NFCC can be a bitch.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 19:16, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I see. No prob! Just thought I would post the question to the experts! :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

DownBeat article
For anyone looking to develop this Wikipedia article: there's an entire article on this album in the Nov 2014 edition of DownBeat magazine. EddieHugh (talk) 23:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Is there any online link? I could only find this one and it looks like its from Oct 14. — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 05:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * They date the issues well in advance of reality. They don't put complete versions of recent articles online, as far as I know. EddieHugh (talk) 11:19, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I found the scans of the magazine. But frankly speaking all the info present there are almost covered in the article, right from the development of the article to the tour info. One or two song choices I can include. I assume you have read the interview? — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 13:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Haven't read the whole thing, as it's not really my area of interest. It provided something you could use, so that's good. EddieHugh (talk) 13:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

USA sales
the album has sold 512 k copies in the usa,it's now gold — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConfessionsOADF (talk • contribs) 19:03, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source supporting this? <b style="color:#454545">Snuggums</b> (<b style="color:#454545">talk</b> / <b style="color:#454545">edits</b>) 19:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

http://gagadaily.com/index.php/topic/122779-cheek-to-cheek-receipts-thread-sold-870k-ww-510k-us/

You can also add it's sales on mediatraffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/albums.htm

--ConfessionsOADF (talk) 08:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry ConfessionsOADF, those are all unreliable sources. Fansites and Mediatraffic are considered unreliable sources for wikipedia. — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 09:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2015
I just wanted to recommend the track(s) listed as:  Bang Bang (My Baby Shot Me Down), the writer listed as BONO, be edited to read SONNY BONO to avoid any confusion over the original songwriter.

Millertek (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌, Its already listed as Sonny Bono. For later instances we use just the surname. — Indian: BIO  [ <b style="font-family:Tempus Sans ITC;color:#1C1CF0;">ChitChat</b> ] 05:40, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism again
This article has been vandalized again, and I think it's not the first time. Is making it protected a good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.222.221.239 (talk) 20:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

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