Talk:Cheers (Drink to That)

Sources for expansion
Is Popcrush reliable for a review of the song? It's the only one since it was announced as a single. Added Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9  18:38, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice find, im going to say yes after author research. Every other on the website has a degree in music journalism or some sort or extensive background credit, Amy Sciarretto (author of this review) has written for "Kerrang! Spin, Revolver, Alternative Press, Noisecreep, Spinner, ARTISTdirect and Teen People, to name a few." and is an author. So yes, quite reliable in my opinion. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 21:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Digital Spy. There is a brief review here. Added   Calvin  &bull; 9 9 9  11:53, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Idolator Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They don't actually give a review. Don't Add Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Music Remedy Reliable?  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:04, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They're just saying the song is going to be released. Don't Add Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  22:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

US Billboard Pop Songs debut
"Cheers" has debuted at 35 on US Billboard Pop Songs chart. So this means we can re-add the "Cheers" article, right?

Here's the source:

http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat#/column/chartbeat/chart-highlights-rock-country-songs-more-1005300122.story Xavier (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2011 (UTC)MR.Texan281
 * I've added it to my sandbox already and will put it in once the re-direct has been removed. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  23:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Addition of my Sandbox
When the re-direct was removed from the article, everything got erased. So I have added in my sandbox with all info about the completely up to date as August 2, 2011 (or August 1 if you are in America!). Now the song has charted, the article is here to stay and is notable. So if you want to look at the edit history of my sandbox, then click here as I will edit this article from now on. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon! 23:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

V Festival
Can anyone fins a source that specifically says that Rihanna sang Cheers at V? Because I can't find one, even though it was performed. NME gave a set list but haven't included it. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon! 14:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Prose comments
Hi there. For some reason, I appear to have this article on my watchlist and I noticed that it was recently promoted to GA status. Anyway, I was reading through the article and there were some issues I had with the prose. I thought about making some general copyedits, but I don't edit music-related articles very often, so I thought it would be better if I just listed some of my concerns here. There is, of course, nothing that you must act upon, but hopefully this will result in a better article.

Lead

 * "recorded by Barbadian recording artist Rihanna, taken from her fifth studio album Loud (2010)." – is "taken" really necessary here?
 * It's a single, so it's not directly from the album. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  09:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You're probably right, but I'm still confused. How does "taken" imply that it's not direct? Jenks24 (talk) 09:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "The song impacted" – does this mean that's the day the song was released? It's unclear to me
 * Sent to radio. All music articles use this. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * I'll take your word for it, but would it not be clearer to say "was sent to radio", "was released to radio", or something similar? Anyway, your call, so whatever you decide is fine. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would reword the third sentence to "Written by Andrew Harr, Jermaine Jackson, Stacey Barthe, Laura Pergolizzi, Corey Gibson, Chris Ivery, Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards, Avril Lavigne and Scott Spock, production of the song was completed by Harr and Jackson under their stage name, The Runners."
 * The way you worded the sentence makes it mean that the production was written by all those people, not the song. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  09:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree, but looking at my proposed wording, it is pretty poor. How about "Produced by Andrew Harr and Jermaine Jackson under their stage name, The Runners, the song was written by Harr, Jackson, Stacey Barthe, Laura Pergolizzi, Corey Gibson, Chris Ivery, Lauren Christy, Graham Edwards, Avril Lavigne and Scott Spock."? Jenks24 (talk) 09:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Hmmm, fair enough. Not sure what I thought was wrong here, it's just the many writers that make it feel a little clunky, nothing that can be fixed. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "which is featured on her debut album Let Go (2002)" – change "her" to "Lavigne's", I had to click the wikilink to find out if it meant Lavigne or Rihanna.
 * Why?? "Cheers (Drink to That)" contains interpolations of Lavigne's "I'm With You", which is featured on her debut album Let Go (2002)." It makes perfect sense that it is clearly from Lavigne's album. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Fair enough. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "is a confidence party-drinking song" – I get what a party-drinking song is, but what does confidence mean here? Also, the body of the article does not mention confidence, only party-drinking, so it's not sourced either
 * ✅ I swear I removed that, clearly I didn't. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "and also commented that it would be a successful club song due to its lyrical content" –-> "and Amy Sciarretto of PopCrush commented that she believed it would be a successful club song due to its lyrical content"
 * ❌ The lead isn't mean't to be that detailed, it's just a brief summary about the reception.
 * Also fair enough, but as I note below, apparently PopCrush is not RS, so you might want to get a different source for this. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "charted at numbers five and eight, respectively. The song also peaked at number 11" – be consistent with numbers, either use 5, 8, 11 or five, eight, eleven (see WP:ORDINAL about comparable quantities)
 * ❌ Single digit numbers are written as a word, double digit numbers are written numerically. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Yes, I used to think that, too. But it's not the case – see the second bullet point of WP:ORDINAL: like quantities, which chart positions are, should not change between spelling out and using numerals. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Why isn't Evan Rogers wikilinked?
 * ✅ I didn't know he had an article.
 * "shows footage of Rihanna performing on tour as well as various different activities she did during her homecoming trip to Barbados" – this sounds awkward. Perhaps "shows footage of Rihanna on tour and performing different activities during her homecoming trip to Barbados" – that still doesn't sound great, perhaps you can think of something better?
 * ✅ That is basically the same. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  12:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Background

 * "The song was sent for Mainstream and Rhythmic radio adds" – again, I'm sorry, but I have no idea what this means
 * Click on them then, that is why they are wiki linked, so you can easily find out more info. It's basically the types of radio that the song was released to. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Yes, I get that they are different types of radio, what I don't get is what "sent for ... radio adds" means. Is that the song was played on adds? Or that there were adds for the song? As a sidenote, advertisements should be used in place of adds. Jenks24 (talk)
 * "which is featured on her album Let Go (2002)" – again, I think "her" needs to be changed to "Lavigne's" for clarity
 * ❌ Again, literally words before, it says "Lavigne's", sometimes you need to use a bit of common sense to work things out, it's so obvious that it is about Lavigne still, it's not a new sentence. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Fine. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "but also incorporates the musical elements of dance-pop and R&B" – "the" seems unnecessary to me
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "Lyrically, "Cheers (Drink to That)" is a party-drinking song that contains the verse ... " – while that's true, I think it would flow better as "Lyrically, "Cheers (Drink to That)" is a party-drinking song, which is exemplified by the verse ... "
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "Don’t" – change the ’ to '
 * What?? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Did it myself. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "People can't wait for the weekend."." – remove the second full stop
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!

Reception

 * Link to BBC Music, instead of just BBC
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "Robert Copsey of Digital Spy praised the use of interpolating Lavigne's song" --> "Robert Copsey of Digital Spy praised the interpolation of Lavigne's song"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "with Bill Lamb of About.com also concurring" – "also" is unnecessary
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * The quote from ref 16 doesn't end, i.e. it has no closing quotation mark
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * ‘Loud’ --> 'Loud'
 * I can't see a difference there at all. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Click "edit" on this section. Then you'll see it. — WP: PENGUIN  · [ TALK ]  19:25, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Did it myself. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Thomas Conner of The Chicago Sun-Times" --> "Thomas Conner of the Chicago Sun-Times"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!

Chart
The first para starts exactly the same way
 * "In the issue dated August 3, 2011" – why can't that just be "On August 3, 2011"?
 * ❌ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Well, I'm not a fan of it, but I agree it is used in many music articles. My personal opinion is that it's overly wordy, but it's a judgement call I'll leave up to you. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "the following week. The following week" – very repetitive
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Again "in the issue dated"
 * ❌ That is what s used. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "that weeks" – should have a possessive apostrophe, no?
 * """I don't know''' Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Did it myself. Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You use "became" and "becoming" in the same sentence – don't change up the tense like that
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "In Canada, the song debuted at number 89 on August 17, 2011, and leaped to a new peak of 37 the following week." – could you use a synonym for "leaped"?
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Again, you shouldn't change between 18 and seven, when they are representing the same quantity
 * ❌ Have said this before. Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "for the week ending" – is that necessary?
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!

Video
All the best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:52, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "she replied to a fan's tweet announcing that" – comma needed between "tweet" and "announcing"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "whilst" --> "while"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "The video was directed and edited by New York based director Evan Rogers" – there needs to be a full stop at the end of the sentence, it should be "New York-based" and wikilink Evan Rogers
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "before the concert" --> "before a concert"?
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "whilst Rihanna is shown walking to her dressing room in preparation to perform, by doing her make-up and changing outfits." --> "while Rihanna is shown walking to her dressing room, preparing to perform by doing her make-up and changing outfits."
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "before being pushed into a swimming pool on a skateboard fully clothed" --> "before being pushed fully clothed into a swimming pool while on a skateboard"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Would be great if there was an article on Kadooment Day – possibly worth a redlink as it should be created one day
 * No one is going to create an entire article because they by chance see that there is a dead link on this article. lol.  Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "The video ends with Rihanna on a boat shouting "Rihanna Navy!", referring to her fan group." – the last part should be sourced
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * "Iona Kirby of The Daily Mail" --> "Iona Kirby of the Daily Mail"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "and insight as to what she likes to do" --> "and insight into what she likes to do"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "commenting that is" --> "commenting that it is"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "According to PopDash's Giovanna Falcone ... " --> "According to PopDash's Giovanna Falcone, the video ... " – then "showing" would need to change to "show[s]"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "can’t" --> "can't"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "we’ve" --> "we've"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * it's not clear to non-fans what "RiRi" means – I'd change it to "[Rihanna]"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "Idolator" should link to Idolator (website), not Idolator
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "regarding one of Rihanna's previous music videos" --> "referring to one of Rihanna's previous music videos"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "OK! Magazine" should be in italics
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * You shouldn't reflect the poor punctuation of ref 46 – remove the odd space in "&thinsp;' which"
 * Where?? Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "It’s" --> "It's"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * No need for ellipses at the start of a quote
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Why do you use square brackets around the ellipses in the quote from ref 49 when you haven't for the rest of the article?
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * "About raising glasses in the video" --> "In reference to raising glasses in the video"
 * ✅ Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!
 * Thanks :) Calvin  &bull; Na Na Na C'mon!  15:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick responses. I agree with, or at least understand, most of those you didn't do, but I've replied to a few. One more thing is that, according to this GAN, PopCrush is not a reliable source. No idea of that's correct or not, but if it is, it would be best to remove/replace the PopCrush refs. Also, I'd meant to say it originally, but this is a very nice article. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 20:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

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