Talk:Chen Guangcheng

Update request
three is an update. i'm unfamilar with how to edit the article in the correct format and i'm posting this between classes now. he was sentanced to 4 years and 3 months in prison.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5281440.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6104868.stm
 * Updated, thanks. --Vsion 21:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Expand from Chinese wiki
After reviewing the Google Translation of the Chinese wikipedia article, there doesn't appear to be much of substance that we don't already have in this one. I'd suggest simply adding remaining missing information manually instead of leaving this tag atop it, unless the editor would like to be more specific about her/his concerns.

Khazar2 (talk) 05:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Pro-life activist?
Some news sources have been calling Guangcheng a Pro-life activist. Is this true? Thismightbezach (talk) 22:44, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you give an example of what you're looking at? To the best of my limited knowledge, Chen only fought against forced abortion. It seems misleading to call him "pro-life" if that's the basis. For comparison, many women's rights groups also oppose forced abortion, but support abortion rights generally and identify as "pro-choice". If news sources are referring to him this way, I'm of course fine with it appearing in the article in some way; I just haven't encountered it personally in the sources I've looked at. Khazar2 (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It appears that most of the sources that refer to him as "pro-life" are American Christian groups. I don't think that Chen would frame his activism in the same terms. Homunculus (duihua) 00:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

according to the relevant policies and regulations statements such as this need a source especially on such a contentious topic for the american right. Happy monsoon day (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * He is definitely not a "pro-life" activist in our understanding of the term. Pro-life groups are exploiting his cause to add a hero to their ranks. He is not against abortions on religious or high-moral grounds, but against the system that enforces the one-child policy. It is a very different story. Calling Chen "pro-life" activist is inaccurate and significantly narrows his cause. Cosainsé (talk) 22:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a few personal details ?
I looked around a bit on the web after the News said he had multiple children. However I could find nothing beyond that several articles use the phrase "his children". Given the stuff out there about chinese culture and the one child policy I think if he has multiple children their ages and whether they are male or female might be relevant. Especially given that he is asking to goto USA. It could also explain some of his stance against the one child policy. John5Russell3Finley (talk) 23:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good suggestion. My understanding is that Chen has a 6-yr-old daughter (who we do mention) living with him and his wife and a slightly older son living with another relative. I can't give you a source for that off the top of my head, though. If I find one I'll add it. Khazar2 (talk) 23:37, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * i fixed up some things in the first paragraph but i sometimes have the feeling that the article was a bit grovelling with lots of adjectives meant to conjure sympathy. i tried to improve this somewhat please anyone let me know what you think.Happy monsoon day (talk) 21:39, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like the question was answered. Can someone archive this question? Or should it be erased?Cosainsé (talk) 02:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely not erased. And it doesn't seem like this page has gotten so long that we really need to start archiving, though I suppose you can if you want. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:13, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

neutrality issue in language
i made some recent edits to try to improve the page and make it more neutral as i understand the policy exhorts editors to be. please see here for example words such as 'experience' 'wrong' 'regardless' 'undue' and so forth seemed to be implicitly normative on the side of chen's activism which we as objective writers should not do so i attempted to clarify these points with more precise language if there are any errors please let me know. Happy monsoon day (talk) 21:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


 * this case has been in the media a lot recently and china is very important so the information should be absolutely accurate and careful. however, such words as 'brutal' should be avoided shouldn't they?? furthermore the article says Chinese national regulations prohibit such brutal measures. but there is no citation provided and the word 'brutal' of obvious biased. Happy monsoon day (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with about 70% of your fixes (especially that "brutal" should definitely not have been in the article). However, a few things you've removed (like the detail that Christian Bale was punched) are clearly sourced in the article, and to the best of my knowledge, not disputed by other reliable sources. In those cases, I've restored the relevant details. Khazar2 (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ok thank you. i wondered whether 'punch' was not neutral and i changed it to physical violence or something. same with others. it seems that as long as the source says it or something like it its fine. Happy monsoon day (talk) 02:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * to me this now reads like someone on the side of the Chinese government has "sanitized" it. The "alleged" violence and forced abortions etc. makes it seem like maybe Guangcheng was just making this stuff up.  These are documented human rights abuses that he was fighting against.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.9.171 (talk) 17:24, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If the assaults are documented, we can change the wording, but a source will need to be provided per WP:V. Most sources tend to say "Chen says that..." or "Chen's family states that..." which isn't quite enough to present it as fact; we need the source itself to say it. -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with the unsigned comment above, the word "alleged" also caught my eye. I am going to remove it from the first paragraph.Cosainsé (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

christian bale
bale is a hollywood actor. he knows a thing or two about image and public relations. he attempted to visit chenguangcheng //with CNN reporters in toe// right after being criticized for shooting a chinese propaganda movie with i believe zhang yimou. i think this happenstance of events might want to be briefly mentioned, lest the article leave our crucial background. any ideas? 22:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day (talk • contribs)
 * My understanding is that to make this connection ourselves would be a violation of WP:SYNTH. It might be worth a one sentence mention if you can find it in a Chinese government official statement (or perhaps state media), but since it's not commonly mentioned in stories about the incident, it might also be WP:UNDUE to include it here. Khazar2 (talk) 23:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * quite right. i thought sources would be plentiful but well see. Happy monsoon day (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:11, 21 May 2012 (UTC).

Commercial flight
Hi! About:
 * "Chinese Activist Chen Guangcheng Leaves For U.S." Associated Press. May 19, 2012.

It says that Chen Guangcheng boarded United flight 88 to Newark Airport.

Is this level of detail too much for the article? WhisperToMe (talk) 02:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, not a bad thought, but I'd say it's probably more than needed. =) Khazar2 (talk) 02:20, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


 * A general comment: I applaud the editors involved in this page for trying to have it be a solid source of information throughout a fast-evolving saga. However, with the benefit of a bit of hindsight,  it will likely be necessary to revise the sections on Chen's escape and the embassy negotiations with an eye towards reducing WP:Recentism. Homunculus (duihua) 05:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely. I already had a go at rewriting the escape section into a more coherent whole a few days back. This section will probably still be the largest in the article--I can't imagine Chen will manage to cause an international incident of this size again in his life--but once we get a more coherent, retrospective narrative from the newspapers, we can cut it back down again. Khazar2 (talk) 05:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

financial times
recently that respected british publication (which i subscribe to here in the u.s.) did a brilliant exploration of how chen escaped and the diplomatic wrangling and so forth which went on behind the scenes. im going to start adding some material from that article and hopefully no one will object. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Happy monsoon day (talk • contribs) 23:45, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
 * sorry kinda ran out of time but ill do this at some point the link is here if anyone else wants to jump on it http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/e046b9be-a550-11e1-9a94-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1w2JDDGNo ft is a good read. much better then us msmHappy monsoon day (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

lede was too long just moved a paragraph to the bottomHappy monsoon day (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Editorial
Chen wrote an editorial: WhisperToMe (talk) 04:15, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * English version: Chen, Guangcheng. "How China Flouts Its Laws." The New York Times. May 29, 2012.
 * Chinese version: Chen, Guangcheng. "中国的不法." The New York Times. May 29, 2012.
 * do we need to be careful about quoting from this because chen is a primary source?Happy monsoon day (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It should be treated as an op-ed per WP:RSOPINION. No problem using it so long as it is attributed to Chen. (Note too that op-eds are fact-checked just as news articles are, but opinions are still just opinions). Homunculus (duihua) 04:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ok good seems like theres a rule for everything around here.Happy monsoon day (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, including one imploring users to ignore all rules. Do you know you can sign your posts by typing four tildes? Homunculus (duihua) 17:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

seems unnecessary but ill see about adding some parts of the editorial Happy   monsoon  day   —Preceding undated comment added 00:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Books...
The article's soruces are a little heavily news-based - I've popped over to Google Books to pull out the following in case the come in useful.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vOYj6TO9I2IC&pg=PA389&dq=Chen+Guangcheng&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Z9zmT-atD4XO8QPO4czDCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng&f=false http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LK9EbyPGBm0C&pg=PA105&dq=Chen+Guangcheng+taxes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e93mT7bPBMP18QPpprWnCg&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Chen%20Guangcheng%20taxes&f=false

and…

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=d7EuvEl5loQC&pg=PA163&dq=%22Chen+Guangcheng%22+blind&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0d3mT7bpJaag0QXNyZ2DCQ&ved=0CGgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22Chen%20Guangcheng%22%20blind&f=false

Back soon. Fayedizard (talk) 09:30, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Date of escape
Wall Street journal has date of escape as 22nd..., but BBC has 20th... - can we reconcile these? I'm presuming the problem is that it took several days to *actually* escape...Fayedizard (talk) 20:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Good question. I'm double-checking more sources, and it seems that most say he escaped from his home on the 22nd, and thereafter spent many hours struggling on his own before meeting up with other activists who took him to Beijing.  Homunculus (duihua) 21:38, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

America section
Hi guys, I'm looking at this paragraph:

As of 20 May 2012, Chen resides at a housing complex in Greenwich Village, Manhattan in New York City with his family. The complex houses faculty and students of New York University. Chen and his wife spend two hours every morning studying English, while their children, 6 and 10, are picking up English in a New York public school. Chen spends his afternoons meeting one-on-one with legal scholars learning about the American legal system, and plans to write a book.

and considering removing it as a bit recent and a bit trivial, does anyone have any thoughts? Fayedizard (talk) 08:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I would vote to pare this down and/or rephrase this a bit, but not to completely remove it. For instance, it could read as follows:


 * Following his arrival in the United States, Chen, his wife, and the couple's two children settled in a housing complex for students and faculty of New York University, located in Greenwich Village. He reportedly began studying English for two hours per day, in addition to having regular meetings with American legal scholars, and is in the process of writing a book. 


 * I'm sure it will work out whatever you decide to do. Homunculus (duihua) 22:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)


 * On an unrelated note, I've thought about adding a timeline to the page to help readers quickly navigate the important events in Chen's life. There is a dearth of photos available to us, so it would also add another non-text element to the page. Thoughts?  Homunculus (duihua) 22:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added a timeline. I'm sure someone with actual design experience could do something more interesting, but hopefully this adds some value. If not, it can be removed. Homunculus (duihua) 21:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I love your work! :) Fayedizard (talk) 15:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, very nice work. Khazar2 (talk) 15:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Conflicting account
According to this article, which relies heavily on Chen's little press autohagiographies, Chen was in complete harmony with the villagers and even something of a political representative of them. Not so, according to a report from the Global Times, which surveys the opinions of Chen from Dongshigu residents circa December 2011. "[A]ccording to other villagers, Chen's imprisonment a few years ago had nothing to do with his [litigation] work. It was actually a pretty common local conflict. They told me that Chen built a deep well using funds he received from a British source. But that well sucked out water from other wells in the village, which meant Chen effectively controlled the village's water.

They claimed that Chen charged high fees for the water and caused discontent from villagers, some of them then openly voiced their unhappiness and that angered Chen. So he asked his family members to attack the village committee and blocked public roads in order to vent his anger.

Chen's relationship with the locals worsened when Chen was protesting his jail term after he was released, particularly when he called people outside the village and even outside the country to cry for him."

While this article cannot be considered a definitive account of the reasons for his arrest or of the villagers' perceptions of it - only because we also have sources partially attributing his legal troubles to his pronatalist harassment of family planning resources - ours cannot be considered complete or neutral (to a "Good Article" standard) while excluding this information. Shrigley (talk) 00:57, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The Global Times is run by the government. The government has an interest in depicting Chen in as negative a light as possible. It doesn't count as a reliable source, and neutrality is based on presenting competing views "in proportion to their representation in reliable sources" (emphasis mine).  Independent journalists who've traveled to Linyi have reported that the villagers there are unanimous in their praise of Chen's work.
 * That said, we could very briefly mention the depictions of Chen in state-run sources, but caution is in order per WP:BLP; we certainly shouldn't publish potentially libelous rumors whose only source is the Chinese government. Homunculus (duihua) 01:30, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Tarring the Global Times with the "government" brush elides some very important distinctions between the interests of the central and of the local governments. Nationwide laws often guarantee rights to Chinese and supervise corrupt officials, while those local officials tend to cut corners to produce good statistics for career advancement. We're not just talking "rumors" either, nor sources just in both the government and the press: there's sworn deposition and other court documents which explain Chen's sentence. To neglect those is to imply that the charges are completely fabricated, which seems unlikely: if the sentence was purely "political", why not use the most popular charges of subverting state power or leaking state secrets? Here's more information from the public court session:


 * "Chen was upset with workers who were sent to carry out poverty-relief programs in East Shigu Village, in Shuanghou Town of Yinan County.... on February 5, 2006, Chen (who is known to be blind) rushed to the office of the village committee and damaged doors and windows.... Chen then went to the home of Chen Guangyu and instigated Chen Guanghe, Chen Guangdong and Chen Gengjiang to damage and smash cars belonging to the Shuanghou Police Station and the town government.... Chen Guanghe and Chen Guangdong also instigated other villagers to damage government cars, and they chased and beat officials from the town government.... Using clubs and stones, the mob smashed the windows of three cars from the police station and the town government, overturned the cars in roadside ditches, and beat police officers from the Police Bureau of the county... [O]n the evening of March 11, Chen Guangyu, who was then drunk, claimed he was beaten by some people, and he attacked the office of the village committee and damaged things in the office.... at about 6:00 pm... Chen Guangcheng organized a group of people, including Chen Guangyu, Chen Guangjun and Yuan Weijing, under the excuse of seeking justice for Chen Guangyu. They interrupted traffic in the Yinghou Village section of the National Highway 205.... Chen Guangcheng stood in the middle of the road to stop vehicles and directed the mob, including Chen Guangjun and Chen Guangyu to yell out and stop traffic.... police arrived to reopen the road, and to try to persuade Chen Guangcheng to desist from leading the mob and stopping the traffic. Chen refused to comply and continued to direct the mob to block vehicles.... the mob stopped the traffic for three hours and delayed more than 290 vehicles, including an ambulance carrying a pregnant woman to hospital."


 * Shrigley (talk) 22:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * A deposition from a closed trial that international observers say was heavily politicized, in which Chen's lawyers were detained and not permitted to represent him, is not a reliable source in my books. Neither is a report from the state-run Global Times. Homunculus (duihua) 23:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm okay with including a few statements from state-run media in the article as long as they're clearly identified as such in the article (just as we identify material sourced directly to Chen as "according to Chen", etc.). I don't agree with including primary source material from the court deposition, though, both for the reasons outlined by Homunculus and because it's heading into original research territory. What would be best would be if we could find an uninvolved secondary source expressing Shrigley's concerns. -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Agreed on the last point — a good, reliable secondary source that provides a context and analysis of the state's accusations would be my preference. We've already very briefly noted that Linyi officials accused him of working with "foreign anti-China forces" (the British government) in constructing the well.  I'm hesitant to include specific accusations that Chen monopolized the water supply and angered villagers, however, because a) it is potentially a violation of WP:BLP; b) the publisher of this account is not a reliable source; and c) it is difficult to reconcile with reports available in reliable sources.


 * As to the incident in which Chen is alleged to have obstructed traffic and damaged property, we could potentially expand on that a little bit based on the coverage in reliable sources. The Washington Post interviewed Chen's lawyer and residents from his village, who said that the charges against him "stem from an incident in March in which Chen is accused of leading a protest against local officials who had illegally confined him to his house and who were beating villagers who tried to help him."[] Homunculus (duihua) 00:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Tell you what, let me try to work in some comments based on Shrigley's sources and that WP article in the next day or two. I think as long as this is attributed clearly in text, it'll be a good addition to the article. This is a minority viewpoint in terms of independent secondary sources (outside of Chinese govt.-owned media, it seems barely to appear), but it's a worthwhile viewpoint to note as representative of one of the actors in the conflict/dispute. I'll take a pass and then you both can look it over. (Or if somebody wants to take a shot before me, I'm good with that, too.) -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:27, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be a welcome effort. I know you're mindful of these things, and most likely don't need reminding, but do be careful that we don't put ourselves in a position of making potentially libelous claims that aren't backed by reliable sources. Even if clearly attributed to the government, it would need to be handled very delicately. Maybe you have some ideas on how to achieve this that I haven't considered. But I do wish you luck finding some reliable sources that discuss the divergent accounts of the traffic-obstruction incident. Homunculus (duihua) 03:39, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * As long as the sentences read "Source X stated that Chen was..." I'm sure libel won't be a factor; it's both true and nonmalicious. Tell you what, I'll post proposed additions here first, or if that's not practical, in my sandbox. Anything you're not 100% happy with, we can doublecheck with the BLP noticeboard. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:45, 28 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my intent isn't to have you walking on eggshells. As long as the sources used are reliable, I don't anticipate there being major problems. Let's see what you can come up with, and we'll go from there. Homunculus (duihua) 03:53, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I agree caution is called for; it's a controversial case! More soon -- Khazar2 (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Got distracted by real life and probably can't get to this till Jan 2 or 3. Anybody else is welcome to take a pass in the meantime. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. The pace of life is supposed to be slow this time of year. Enjoy some extra time with the family, and we'll revisit this next week. Homunculus (duihua) 15:56, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, looking at these sources more closely and think about how they could fit into the article, I've come to share H's skepticism about the well thing. The well/water claim doesn't even appear to be reported in other Chinese government media stories on CGC, so adding it to the article based on this blogger alone seems excessive. As an extreme minority viewpoint from a non-independent source, it'd be undue weight to include it.
 * As for the destruction of property charges, this seems more worth including detail on, since these are the formal charges that led to his jail term. What about adding a sentence stating that "Xinhua, the news agency of the Chinese government, stated that Chen had instigated others 'to damage and smash cars belonging to the Shuanghou Police Station and the town government' as well as attack local government officials."more into the section "Detention and trial"? -- Khazar2 (talk) 20:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that's a good idea, though we may want to provide a couple other viewpoints to round out Xinhua. This is not the easiest task, and there's a good deal of conflicting information. I've gone through much of the coverage of the trial, and could find very few instanced where journalists gave more than a column inch or two to discussing the actual charges; they were almost universally framed as retaliation for his work in Linyi. But there are a couple other perspectives we could draw on. I already mentioned the Washington Post, which noted that the officials he was apparently agitating against were those who  "illegally confined him to his house and who were beating villagers who tried to help him."  This Time article notes, albeit very briefly, that witnesses on the scene disputed the government's account of the protest (see bottom of first page). A HRIC profile, which is from a partisan source but nonetheless seems like quality reporting, includes a footnote which claims that Chen had been released from house arrest on March 11 to discuss his case with an official. According to this account, "police reportedly halted traffic, took photographs and then charged him with 'disrupting traffic'."  It cites a news article that is no longer available.  The New York Times reported that Chen's lawyers "argued that the charges against him were fabrications. The crimes would have been difficult for Mr. Chen to commit, they said, given that he cannot see and was under constant police guard at the time." This last point—that Chen was under police guard and therefore could not have organized a protest—is repeated in a couple other news reports I came across, including this post by Donald Clarke, a professor of Chinese law, and this Globe and Mail commentary.


 * Do you think it might be possible to expand on your earlier proposal to account for some of these viewpoints? Homunculus (duihua) 02:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Thanks for the sources. I'll try to do this in the morning. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've added the Xinhua account, the Time account, and the NYT quotations from the lawyer, as well as (a little further down), a quotation from the Globe and Mail criticizing the legitimacy of the sentence. This seems to me to have resolved any issue, though I'm up for further opinions. If nobody has further objections, let's take down the tag in a few days. (It can of course be restored if needed.) -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Well done—I think it does a serviceable job of presenting the divergent accounts of the protest, and I'm glad that we've been able to expand on that aspect of the story. How are you feeling about the article now?  Do you think we should make a push to bring it up to FA standards? Homunculus (duihua) 01:35, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm feeling good about where the article's at, but honestly a little skeptical of the FA process itself these days; I read through some sample reviews recently at WP:FAC and was turned off by the negativity and combativeness there. Obviously you'd be welcome to go for it, and I've no doubt the article would improve as a result... but I don't think I personally want to be involved. Sorry about that, as I know I'm the one who suggested it initially. A good intermediate step in the meantime might be to take it to peer review and have reviewers there look at its readiness. Your call. I will still be on hand to take care of any issues that crop up on the talk page like the above, though. =) As always, a pleasure working with you! -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:39, 6 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I see. I've had no experience with the FA process myself, but I am inclined to hold off on nominating for now and continue making incremental improvements. If Chen publishes an autobiography in the fall, we would have a lot of great new material to draw on, and maybe we can revisit the issue at that time. Cheers, Homunculus (duihua) 03:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I forgot all about that book coming out--that should definitely be a help if it indeed arrives. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

New sources
WhisperToMe (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yu, Verna. "Friends fear right-wing connections will hit Chen Guangcheng's credibility." South China Morning Post. Wednesday 19 June 2013. -- Print version used the title "Right-wingers 'likely to hurt blind activist'"


 * I read somewhere recently that was torn between partisan interest groups in the U.S. that were hoping he would align exclusively with their causes. It's something to keep an eye on (in addition to the other events that have been in the news around his departure from NYU). Homunculus (duihua) 02:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The South China Morning Post has been covering the Chen-NYU stuff quite well. Want me to post additional story links? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Kao, Ernest. "Chen Guangcheng called an oblivious 'chess piece' in China-US relations." South China Morning Post. Thursday, 20 June, 2013. - Refers to an editorial in the Global Times.
 * Source: Shan, Renping (单仁平 Shàn Rénpíng). "单仁平：陈光诚需主动跳出筹码的尴尬位置." (Archive) Global Times at Sina.
 * WhisperToMe (talk) 06:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Another: Wednesday, 26 June, 2013. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * "US gifts to Chen Guangcheng 'bugged with tracking devices'." (print title: "Chen's US gifts 'bugged with tracking devices'") Reuters at the South China Morning Post. Saturday June 22, 2013.
 * "NYU official denies role in ending Chen Guangcheng's studies." (print title: "NYU official denies role in ending Chen's studies") Agence France-Presse at South China Morning Post. Sunday 23 June 2013.
 * Yu, Verna, additional reporting by Lawrence Chung. "Democratisation of China inevitable, blind activist Chen Guangcheng says." (print title: "Democratisation 'is inevitable'") South China Morning Post. Tuesday 25 June 2013.
 * Yu, Verna. (Additional reporting by Lawrence Chung) "Chen Guangcheng praises Taiwan democratisation as example for mainland China." (print title: "Blind activist hails Taiwan's guiding light") South China Morning Post.

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