Talk:Chen Shimei and Qin Xianglian

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Propose merge
Suggest merging this article with Qin Xianglian. They're effectively on the same topic and can be covered in one article. Banedon (talk) 01:36, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and the merged article should be named as Chen Shimei & Qin Xianglian, Qin Xianglian & Chen Shimei, or The Case of Chen Shimei.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Moved to a common name and ✅ Klbrain (talk) 08:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Relevance of the popular culture section to the article
can you explain what the text currently in the popular culture section has to do with Chen Shimei and Qin Xianglian? Banedon (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, many other media pages on this wiki have sections about popular culture and this page is no different. It’s probably why most people even know about it in the first place so it’s useful to include Serok Ayris (talk) 17:52, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not understand - currently the text has no relation to Chen Shimei and Qin Xianglian. Why is it in this article instead of Blaxy Girls? Banedon (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

It does have relation, the lines themselves come from it and it is on the Blaxy girls page, I think it would be useful to include it if someone wants to know the origin of where the lines in the song come from Serok Ayris (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you saying 近前看其 详上写着 秦香莲年三十 二岁那状告当朝 驸马郎 欺君王瞒皇上 那悔婚男儿招东床 comes from the Chen Shimei and Qin Xianglian opera? If so what does it mean and why does the meme focus on it? Banedon (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea what it means but it is related to the meme because it came from the Blaxy Girls remix with the line taken from it. The meme mostly just focuses on it because it’s Chinese Serok Ayris (talk) 02:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So is there a relation between the meme and this opera at all? Or is the meme focusing on all Chinese songs/operas/etc? If there is no relation then surely it should not be included in this article. Banedon (talk) 03:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Information on historical origin is self-contradictory
The "history" section of the page informs us that the character of Chen Shimei, including the mythological names of his children, was already established in a book published in 1594 or 1595.

It also informs us that the character originates from the historical official Chen Shumei, who served in the Qing dynasty. This second claim is helpfully cited to an article in The Epoch Times which identifies this as "China's last dynasty", leaving no room for ambiguity. The only problem with this is that the Qing dynasty began in 1644, 49 years after we know the story was already current.

Given that the Epoch Times article does not itself cite any documents or support of any kind, perhaps the references to Chen Shumei and Qin Xinlian should be removed from the Wikipedia article and the sidebar? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CC00:9290:1942:EA2:A241:23CA (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)