Talk:Chennai/Archive 5

Coordinates
The coordinates at the top of the article overlap another set of coordinates. Can someone correct this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.69.5.234 (talk) 05:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC).


 * The template conflicts with Infobox template. I have commented out the Geolinks template so that coordinates don't overlap. This needs to be fixed. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 17:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Urban sprawl in Chennai
I am not happy about the contents written in Demographics section regarding the urban sprawl. Chennai clearly does not have urban sprawl like you see in American/European cities. Look at the population density of LA/Chicago and compare them with Chennai.

City of Chennai is among the densest cities in the world (most of them are Asian cities) and is as dense as any other metro in India. Also, Chennai metropolitan region has very little urban sprawl: 70% of metropolitan population live with the city limits. And whatever population that is outside the city boundaries live along the suburban rail network (Egmore-Tambaram, Central-Avadi and Central-Gummidipoondi). From energy consumption perspective, Chennai is a well planned city compared to most American urban regions (except NYC) that are essentially sub-urban.

chennai area locator maps
Just created location map for chennai. Some fine tuning necessary here on the top left and bottom right coordinates of the map. Its time we make a Chennai infobox and add it to all chennai places. The map is not complete and i just put it together using google maps (god bless them), i will modify it later over the next weekend. Right now pls look into implementing it in infoboxes --Plane Mad 20:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Infobox created, Ive added it to a few pages as a test to check positioning, see Mylapore for example. Template can be edited here. We need to decide what fields need to be included--Plane Mad 15:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Editing Transport section
User:Butter1 has repated re-inserted the following information only for other editors to remove it with various justifications. Rather than edit warring in the article, please discussion your positions for or against the inclusion of this material below. Please wait until editors reach a consensus before re-inserting the information (or permanantly leaving it out). Thanks.

"Auto rickshaws commonly called as Auto. New auto rickshaw fares are fixed by the state government of Tamilnadu in the month January 2007 and the auto drivers should follow only as per that government order. As per that order for the first 2km the charge is Rs.14 and Rs.6 from next kilometre onwards. If any problems arises passengers can lodge complaints against autorickshaw drivers by calling phone numbers of Chennai Police[]"


 * I am removing the ref links for the auto fares. It does not have any context in the article. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 00:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

list of corporation wards
I have made the List of Chennai Corporation wards page. please try to improve upon it. Also Template:Infobox Chennai place is almost finished, please give your comments --Plane Mad 09:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox image or map?
We have to decide how to go ahead with the infobox. We can either use the image or use the map but not both. I personally prefer the map, but let us discuss this. I will comment out the image until we decide on this. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 00:51, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Its simple, the locator map for landmarks, structures (Chennai Central) etc. and the infobox for places (Mylapore) --Plane Mad 16:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Most cities have an image that defines the city (landmark or skyline) in the infobox and a map below it. Since this is an encyclopedia, we must conform to the standards set by wikipedia in its city infobox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_City). Nikkul 01:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Photographs
Folks, I've got some photos of Chennai - including St. Mary's church in the fort, The container terminal at night, MAC stadium, Napier Bridge, Marina and more. Can release them under a GFDL if you need it. Alternatively, some of the photos are on my flickr page http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravages under a CC Attrib+ShareAlike license. --Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
 * Linking to Flickr is discouraged under the external link guidelines WP:EL. Better to upload them to Wikipedia under GFDL. Nposs 13:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. Have uploaded some photos...under GFDL. Here they are:
 * St. Mary's church - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:St_Marys_church.jpg
 * The War Memorial - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chennai_War_memorial.jpg
 * Chepauk Stadium - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MAC_Chepauk_stadium.jpg
 * Sir Thomas Munroe - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Munro_statue.jpg
 * Container terminal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chennai_Container_terminal_night.jpg

--Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan 05:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Area Locator Map
I feel that the area locator map should be the India map instead of the Tamil Nadu state map. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nashcode (talk • contribs).


 * Please discuss this issue at Template_talk:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 00:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * India map is now shown inset on the map. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 16:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Need more balanced coverage
Just an observation: The Chennai Wikipedia page reads like a marketing brochure, prepared by the Chamber of commerce of the city. The article only has positive things about the city, and the photos are all airbrushed and sanitised. A new visitor to the city will be quite shocked by the reality of the city. I would like to see a more balanced description, including some typical street photos, some mention of the poverty and the other problems which are visible to any visitor. No offense is intended to those who have contributed great content.

Portuguese origins of the name Madras
Good evening all,

A more likely origin for the name Madras, if indeed it derives from Portuguese, is Madre de Deus (meaning mother of god), not Madre de Sois -which has no meaning in Portuguese and is ungrammatical.

Soís is the plural of sol, which means sun; so a possibility is "madre dos soís" -grammatically correct and meaning 'mother of the suns'. Very poetic, but rather unlikely -given that there is no record of similar place names. And the corruption of "madre dos soís" to "madras" is somewhat tenuous phonologically.

On the other hand, Madre de Deus is quite common (see Madre de Deus in Bahia, Brazil), and since the final s in Deus is usually emphasized, would make a corruption into Madras in spoken Tamil quite possible.

Even if 'Sois' was the name of a person (and Sois is not a Portuguese name I have ever come across), "mother of-" prefixes for city names have never been followed by a proper noun: there are no cities called 'Mother of Joe' or 'Mother of Leo', for instance :)

Hope this is helpful (even if it matters little now that we have Chennai).

(Azariahmoreno 00:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)).

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Francis Day and Beri Thimappa
Hi, just discovered that the two people instrumental to the formation of Madras - Francis Day and Beri Thimappa - didn't have a page on Wikipedia. Have created it, and for Day, used the content from the Andrew Cogan page. Will need help in adding to it. Here are the pages: Francis Day of Madras and Beri Thimappa. --Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan 06:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good work, Chandrachoodan! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 15:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Article improvement
Thanks to the recent drive by Lotlil et al., the article is in a good shape. Congrats! -- Sundar \talk \contribs 15:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Merging sections
I think the subsection "Administrative divisions" under Geography, should be merged with the section "Administration". Any objections? Lotlil 22:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh and btw, we shouldn't be talking about talukas in this article, since they are related to the district administration and not that of the city. I will be removing the references to talukas and the corresponding image.Lotlil 22:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Images
I was thinking of removing these images: Thoughts? Lotlil 03:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Chennai and surrounding towns in the Geography section (since the other image serves the purpose).
 * 2) Luz corner picture in the Transport section and replace it with this picture of the Koyambedu bus terminus.
 * I agree, especially the Luz corner picture HAS TO go. ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε†αLҝ 09:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Largest cultural event
The article claims that the Madras music season is one of the largest such in the world. Though it is sourced to a RS, I feel it is a little exaggerated. The op-ed that is being sourced doesnt mention several things and I'm afraid the passing mention in the article may be being taken out of context. For one, the so called Madras music season is not held under the aegis of one organisation or organiser. It is infact, a collection of individual efforts. Basically, there are around 50 or 100 sabhas which organise concerts in their own individual capacities. In fact, the sabhas dont even start and end the season together. Typically, there are 2-4 concerts per day, with 2 of the four being reserved for amateurs(with attendances of not more than a dozen people) the 3rd is semi-amateur(once again with very sparse attendance) and a fourth concert which is the highlight of the day and by the biggest names in the field. The fourth which is in the evening usually draws the maximum attendance. And even these concerts, the typical attendance is about 150-200 people(the seating capacity itself is not much more than that in most sabhas). Of course, few premier sabhas like the Music academy(and maybe half a dozen others) draw much larger audiences but on an average, it is not much more than 200 people for the most important concert of the day. And this goes on for a month. Doing the math and considering the fact that it is in fact not an event that one single organisation or even the government organises, I think it is a little far fetched to call it the one of largest cultural event "in the world"! Exceptional claims require exceptional sources and I'd be glad if somebody could come up with a better source than a throw away mention in an op-ed. Sarvagnya 05:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 11:20, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Change Notes layout?
Hi. I'm thinking about changing the "Notes" section to be like that of Tamil Nadu (scroll bar with small amount showing). The current format takes a lot of space despite being in two columns. Are there reasons not to? Since this is a featured article, I don't want to mess it up. Skumarla (talk) 08:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for offering to improve the layout. I'd prefer something like Political integration of India with each note being short and linking to a reference in the reference section, though a scrollbar as in Tamil Nadu article would be a plus. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Some photos from the IPL T20 CSK vs. KKR
Hello, Uploaded a photo from the recent IPL match in Chepauk against Kolkata to Wikicommons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:IPL_T20_Chennai_vs_Kolkata.JPG). Will upload more, but if you need to use them, they are on flickr and governed by a CC-by-sa-nc license. --Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan (talk) 09:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Pics


I find that the article could do with better quality pics. Most images in the article are just boring with no activity at all. In the sports section the ipl pic is a lot more interesting than the empty stadium. And the panorama is a better alternative than the blurry landsat map --Plane Mad 06:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the panaroma. I also like the new stadium picture. I would support the inclusion.Docku (talk) 12:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Upload the panorama. I'm not so sure about the CSK picture, because apparently the IPL has rights on all pictures taken in a match. - Amog  |T a l k 08:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

One more panorama of georgetown that can be included in the article --Plane Mad 20:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Entertainment
I am a little intrigued by the fact that there is no topic related to entertainment in and around the city. I guess we need to talk about the movie theatres, shopping, museums,beaches, theme parks, zoo, night life and all kind of stuff. Well, it may overlap a little bit with culture, nevertheless, it will be useful. Any thoughts on this. Docku (talk) 19:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

About Chennai
Many truths' were hidden Madras was a capital of Andhra also till the year 1952. The capital development was the combined effort of Telugu & Tamil people and 50% credit goes to telugu people even 50% chennai belongs to Andhra these details were not mentioned anywhere in the article.

deep sea wonder
Please look at this reference. Chennai is going to have a deep sea aquarium in three years. I am not sure if it is notable to be included as it is a future project. Comments welcome. Docku Hi 18:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! Being the first of its kind in India, I'd say it's pretty notable. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 12:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am wondering which would be the appropriate place to add. Your suggestion and help would be appreciated. Docku Hi 14:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I just noticed that we don't have a section on tourism Chennai. We should work on that - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 16:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. I wonder if there is a reason why Mumbai, Delhi and Calcutta also dont have such a section. There is a separate article called Tourism in Chennai, however a condensed version in the main article is not unreasonable. Docku Hi 16:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Climate chart
User:Nikkul is unilaterally removing the climate chart added by User:Planemad on 25 May 2008 without participating in a discussion and getting a consensus. I left him notes is his talk page and he does not seem to have responded to it. Is there any urgency to remove a perfectly referenced and relevant information without bringing that up in the discussion page and getting a consensus? Docku Hi 18:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * First of all, when this page got Featured Article status, this chart was not there. When you add things to a FA, you must keep in mind that you're adding something to one of the best articles on Wiki. To add something that is so controversial, you must get consensus first and then add it to the page, not add first and then get consensus to remove. This is standard wiki practice.


 * Also, no other FA Indian city article has such a chart. This is an encyclopedia where everything is supposed to be uniform. This page should not have this if other pages dont. Also, WP:Indian Cities has guidelines about how to write indian city articles. Nowhere do they mention having such a table. You need to gain consensus there too to add here. Finally, the table bleeds into the following sections and also juts into the text. It is also too specific. It belongs on the "Climate in Chennai" page since having it on the Chennai page would go against WP:Summary style. Hence it must be removed. Nikkul (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Does that mean no additional information should be added to the article after its FA status? Well, Could you please point to the specific wikipedia policy which says To add something that is so controversial, you must get consensus first and then add it to the page and that everything is supposed to be uniform. What is controversial about this chart anyway?


 * As far as I understand, the presence of climate chart in the article does not violate any wikipedia policy (if there is one, please show it to me?). Besides, the chart seems to have been added by User:Planemad on 25 May 2008. There are two who supports the inclusion (me and the User:Planemad who added it) against you who doesnt like the inclusion. I dont buy your argument that you can not write anything else in an article what is not defined by the WP:Indian cities. The chart does not bleed into the text in my computer while the temperature and precipitation charts merge into each other a little (I am sure this can be fixed). Unless more people think it is not necessary, I think the chart needs to go right back in.  Docku Hi 19:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * My argument for inclusion: I believe that the chart helps an uneducated reader (about Chennai) understands the weather pattern in the city (including temperature and precipitation) in a quick glance. A chart or a picture conveys the message much better than several well formed sentences. Second, I dont believe in the notion that the only pictures in an article about a city should be of buildings or anything related to infrastructure (by the way, Chennai has a poor skyline compared to Mumbai or any international city). Docku Hi 20:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Mumbai has a nice climate chart. One option is to make a similar one for this article as well. Docku Hi 16:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Nikkul's repeated removal of the chart seems even more controversial. Perhaps he after removing it five times, should seek consensus before removing it again. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 17:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I dont see how User:Nikkul can justify the removal. This is an encyclopedia, and the chart adds some very useful information very relevant to the subject. Instead of moving forward by improving the article he is just keeping the information stagnant. Bollocks to the standards, we are trying to build a knowledge bank here. --Plane Mad 19:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

ECA International 2007 survey
I am not sure if this has been discussed before. What do you guys think about these two references, 1 and 2? Docku Hi 03:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Madras Day
Shouldn't we have something about Madras Day in this article? Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 07:45, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

density numbers don't look right
why is density per square mile less than density per square kilometer...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.48.177.170 (talk) 13:34, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly because a square-mile is larger than a square-kilometer. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 08:28, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. Somebody screwed up the math. Cribananda (talk) 03:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect information?
Hi,

The revised census 2001 puts Chennai population at 4th largest, it is marked 5th in infobox.

The main section says Chennai has 5 National Highways but I know of only 4 (4,5,45 and 205). Please can someone correct it or I will if there is no objection.

Cheers Chennaispot (talk) 14:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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Possible propaganda
In this edit, the editor is pushing a theory that I've never seen in of the common sources. The material before the change had good citations. This change has only one reference, which I'm not in a position to verify. I've reverted them twice and won't do any more reverts. I request other editors to have a look at the change and decide if it's justified. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:46, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

i made a recent edit from 'fourth largest' - to 'hundredth largest'
i want to show power of wiki to a friend..to show him how soon the page will be corrected if not i will correct it shortly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.163.185.52 (talk) 06:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Chennai will be IT capital by 2010
It is estimated by Economic Times that the city will be the IT capital of the country, knocking down its rival Bangalore, by 2010.Please visit this link http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Infotech/Software/Chennai_emerging_as_Indias_Silicon_Valley/articleshow/3000410.cms .The largest development facility of Infosys is located in Chennai's Mahindra City. This is a fact that can be verified on Google.Also Chennai IT companies focus on all over the world unlike bangalore which focusses on West.Slow down i West would bring down export revenue of bangalore but Chennai will be unaffected.This toocan be verified in Google on any news channel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.28.255.198 (talk) 22:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Also, now the city doesnot face any traffic problem and due to rain water harvesting, ground water levels are high and no water problem at all.I would suggest to remobe those lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guru coolguy (talk • contribs) 09:59, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Chennai emerging as a IT capital of the country is a prediction, guess what, it can just be wrong. Even if it is correct, a lot can go wrong. WP:SPECULATION policy of wikipedia discourages listing future events in wikipedia unless it is verifiable and certain to happen. Besides, the article in Times of India by Rajesh Chandramouli may just be a over enthusiastic opinion piece. Is there more than one article and more than one source (newspaper or magazine) which predicts Chennai's emergence as an IT capital?


 * http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=58257 Please go through this news site.It is quite big and clear article which points out the problems in bangalore and the reason for Chennai to be the silicon valley in future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guru coolguy (talk • contribs) 12:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding Chennai not having any traffic problem, do you have a sound source? -- Like I  Care  11:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * About the water problem: http://www.hindu.com/pp/2009/01/31/stories/2009013150010100.htm this news article shows the graphical representation of the increase in rain water harvest.It says A study of Chennai Metrowater shows that there has been a 50 per cent rise in water level in the last five years and the water quality has significantly improved. One more http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4302240.cms dated 2009 march.

Regarding traffic: http://in.truveo.com/Chennai%E2%80%99s-new-fleet-of-buses-to-ease-traffic/id/2854657046 show the video which says about the reduction in traffic. Also the following new flyovers were opened in Chennai in past 6 months alone, which removes the bottleneck problem of traffic. http://chennai.metblogs.com/2007/05/24/new-flyover-at-gn-chetty-road/ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Finally_Kathipara_flyover_opens/articleshow/3644159.cms —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guru coolguy (talk • contribs) 13:19, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Regarding IT, the 2005 article in Express India predicts downfall due to Bangalore's crumbling infrastructure. It has been four years since the prediction and nothing has happened. Wikipedia is not a newspaper to write every indiscriminate information we can find. The information has to be solid and encyclopedic, please read WP:NOT. -- Like I  Care  13:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe, ground water level info can be added to the article. Regarding traffic reduction, the IBN video just predicts traffic reduction and the new flyovers are expected to reducte traffic congestion. again prediction. let us just wait on this one as well. -- Like I  Care  13:13, 18 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Firstly, i would like to know if the statement which says chennai has trafic congestion and water problems is from a valid source. There has been no reference for the same in the article and i feel it should have been removed immediately when it was inserted. Secondly, Chennai's infrastructure was well designed to provide large volumes of vehicles compared to obangalore.I have seen the worst traffic in Bangalore where vehicles dont move for 30 minutes or it takes 1 hour to cross some 1 km. So these statements should be in Bangalore's page not in Chennai. So please delete the lines for one obvious reason that they dont have any reliable source to prove it. Guru coolguy (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * fair enough. i removed the statement. -- Like I  Care  11:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * hi all ! seeing all your works i too feel like working on this article, soon will start my cntribution ...good luck all ...--  Doctor muthu's muthu    wanna talk ? 16:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

This link also mentions something similar. Secret of success (talk) 15:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Archiving talk page
This page is too long, so if there aren't any objections, I'm going to archive all discussions prior to March 2009 in (new) Archive 4. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin‡Hobbes 04:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image/map
The infobox image is neither representative of Chennai or one of the more important landmarks nor is it particularly pleasing, so I propose changing it. Also, the infobox is too long, so I'd suggest moving the map out to the article area.

For image choices, here are a few from commons:

These are some of the better quality images, not much to choose from, but still better than Chennai Central. Any opinions? Cheers - SpacemanSpiff Calvin‡Hobbes 04:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)


 * prefer the corporation image. -- L  I C  12:05, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * a similar montage can be made of the corporation building, Marina beach and some others. -- L  I C  11:35, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Possible, I'll try get a montage done, that might be better than a single photo. My choices - Kannagi, Kapaleeswar temple, Santhome church, one of the museum pics. Rippon bldg is already included in the article, so unless that's removed, it doesn't make sense to include it in the montage, and I'd say it needs to be a separate pic. Let me know anyone else has any other ideas. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 19:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Added few more pics. -Coolguyche17 (talk) 20:52, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Madre de Deus church
I just removed the statement that said that the church was demolished in 1997. The only thing I could find on the web was on WP mirror sites, and everything was a verbatim copy. Also Page 38 of this book, pub 2009 talks about it in the present tense, S. Muthiah's book published in 2004 also talks about the church being demolished in 1894 and rebuilt then, but I couldn't find any ref about a subsequent demolition. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin‡Hobbes 06:21, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

City expansion
Based on the back and forth reverts, let's look at the following sources. All these report the expansion of the city in future tense, as something that will happen.
 * |6QYp3kQ=&SEO= Indian Express, Dec 31 -- "...the civic body’s Council meet slated for Thursday is expected to formally set the ball rolling on the merger and reorganisation by tabling the government order (GO) on the subject at the meeting."
 * Times of India, Dec 31 -- "Moves to expand Chennai city’s limits from the existing 174 sqkm to 426 sqkm will be kick-started right away by the administration. The Chennai Corporation’s council, which is meeting on Thursday, will discuss the appointment of a high-level committee, headed by a special officer, to oversee the redrawing of the city’s map."
 * The Hindu, Dec 30 -- "The area under the Chennai Corporation limit is set to expand by over two times, with the State government issuing an order for merger of several neighbouring local bodies with it."

All the above are in future tense as are the refs that have been added to the article. The merger has not yet been completed, and per the refs above, the merger plan itself is expected to complete only in about six months, after which it has to be approved and implemented. Until reliable sources report that the city has expanded and the population has changed (as in, past tense), please do not change the article. Until then, mention of this within the article as likely to happen is the only reasonable solution. - Spaceman  Spiff  05:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I have added a footnote to the article to explain the situation, to try and preempt the repeated replacement of the current araea and population statistics.. Feel free to tweak the language of the note, and placement/formatting of the superscripts. Abecedare (talk) 06:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image
I want This image to go into the infobox, which illustrates the Chennai skyline, while the current image can be moved into the article. An infobox image should show how the city itself looks, rather than just a single building. Anyone agree?-- RM ( Be my friend ) 01:18, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. The Teynampet image is in no way representative of Chennai or its skyline, is not of particularly good quality or resolution and is a bad addition to the article itself, let alone the infobox. Getting a montage together for the infobox has been one of the goals, unfortunately there just don't seem to be enough representative images available for that. The Rippon Building image is there because it currently is the best of the lot, not because it's the ideal image.&mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  02:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

images
the beach image can be better, may be, include part of the road and buildings on the other side. Kathipara intersection choice looks silly. come on, guys. -- Car Tick  11:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Completely agree, the Kathipara image is very odd. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  14:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * the beach looks so nondescript, it can be any beach. -- Car Tick  17:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Madras Tamil Nadu
The passports use the name Madras Tamil Nadu; see http://www.chessbase.com/news/2010/anand14.jpg. Chvsanchez (talk) 02:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * what r u trying to accomplish here, posting somebody else's passport. -- Car  Tick  02:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Infobox image, again
Once more the infobox image has gotten a bit unweildy, it's too big and the infobox is bleeding into the second section below, which doesn't really give a very pleasing look to the article. I suggest we trim it down a fair bit to include just two or three pictures and get the infobox to a reasonable size. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  20:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it. These are the images I've picked for now. Suggestions welcome - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 11:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC) --

Section break, infobox montage (to avoid clicking above the images)
Question: Do we really need a montage for this? I'd just included the Ripon bldg image a while back which seemed to be accepted until someone replaced it with this montage. I'm not sure these images make a good collage and it's not very pleasing to the eye. I'm not against this collage concept, it works well on Delhi where the image collection is good and the transition from one to the next is smooth, but not so with our limited pool. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:05, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Unsure. Just following the trend, I guess. If this test version isn't good enough, then leave it as a single picture. Incidentally, all the other metro articles also have infoboxes flowing into their second sections - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 13:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * My biggest opposition to it here is the color conflict in the montage. See London for how a good pleasing montage is. Delhi and Bangalore are relatively nice too. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:03, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Tried making it less contrasting. Thoughts? - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 07:18, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks better, but can we play around with the colors a bit? Three different shades of blue in one layer for the same sky seems a bit heavy, no? Also, the red of Central is a little in your face (not the fault of the image though) don't you think? cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  18:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Now two skies and a less red central :) - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 20:30, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely looks way better now, any chance you can reduce the brightness of the lower three to come to a level similar to the top one? If we go with this then we should think about a rolling image bit within the article (like on India), so that we don't get back the clutter. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  06:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, here it is. The image rotation thing is a great idea! I'm all for it. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 07:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, tell me if that blue is too...erm...blue - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 08:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Its soo blue. reduced gradient will do good i suppose.  Srikanth (Logic)  09:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC) restored by Amog  | Talk •  contribs


 * This montage is too blue. I feel we should stick to a single pic of the Ripon Building or Central Station Nashcode | Talk •  contribs 11:04, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Here's my suggested pic. Nashcode | Talk •  contribs 11:39, 21 November 2010 (UTC) Fair game if you want to keep only the ripon photo, but I'm not too happy with that photo of central that you used in the suggested pic - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 12:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note Nashcode, in your previous montage, you didn't really list out the images you used. This is required by the Creative Commons license that governs those photos. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 12:18, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Another Note I just noticed you completely swallowed up a comment left by User:Logicwiki and signed your comments as me. This is unacceptable. I have restored his comment, and let this serve as your first warning. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 16:33, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Picture updated! No longer bright blue :) - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 14:15, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks better. On a related note, i dont fancy Chennai Central to be a symbol anymore. Its been used so much that its a mocking gesture to symbolise chennai. (You would know better if you had watched Tamil Padam). Time for us to portray a new symbol. Kathipara may be?  Srikanth (Logic)  08:09, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was thinking of exactly that Tamil Padam scene when I was making this picture! I feel it's all the more a symbol because of it :P I can add one more row to the bottom if you like, but I really want central to be there! - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 08:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have been against the Central image for a while, but I think it's more representative than Kathipara. If we can get some good quality images of the High Court, War Memorial, Fort St. George then they could possibly replace the Central image but there seem to be none available (and I tried all over the web a few months ago). &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if there is consensus, I'd gladly replace the picture! But the first thing I think of when I hear 'Chennai' is central! Anyway, what are your thoughts on Nashcode's stuff? - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 08:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd go with either plain old Ripon or with your current version of Ripon + Santhome + Central + VK. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  08:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Can we use the foll picture of the war memorial instead of the Santhome Church. Lets leave religious buildings with not much historical heritage out of the main montage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chennai_War_memorial.jpg

Nashcode | Talk

telugu script
There is an IP edit warring to include telugu script in the name. We use only the official language transcriptions to avoid this sort of edit wars. The "i speak language x and i live in this city; i want the name in my language" argument cannot be entertained. This has led to lots and lots of edit wars. So keep the transcriptions limited to official language only--Sodabottle (talk) 15:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Naming convention in infobox
There have been some edits in the infobox by an anon IP, adding some tamil script, and some listing Madras as 'other name', and such. Similar stuff is happening in the Mumbai article. Can anyone clarify on the naming conventions in the infoboxes? I have opened a similar discussion on the talk page of Mumbai. MikeLynch (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Chennai's Infobox current image change appeal
The present image at chennai infobox is not so great. But certainly we can make something more special than this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chennai_Montage_New.png). Its quality on higher pixel is great, but with its low resolution on the articles frontpage at infobox area is glary and quality lacks. For this reason we can go with other better ones that looks perfect and good.

Example, take a look on this (http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D:Chennai_montage.JPG). See this image resembles more better and conveys good as per the introduction lead paras. It sounds more good and rightly fits there in the article. Unless someone can come up with better arrangement of images as we already have a big list here in discussion page itself, we can have this image now. Just to have a feel. Go here -- think this image in here Chennai. How neat and good it is. I feel so it presents the article in a nice way. I want the support of others also here.

Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reservations regarding the image of Marine beach in the second montage (from Tamil Wikipedia) which isn't very pretty (sorry but thats my opinion). As for improving the current montage, it might be nice to have pictures of modern structures (like Tidal park and flyovers) along with Ripon and Central Station buildings. I would rather prefer a montage that shows both old and modern Chennai. --Wiki San Roze<i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 13:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * @Keyan20 I am unsure of what you mean by "glary". Please clarify. Also, there was a discussion regarding that image you just posted here.
 * @Wikiality Can you get consensus on adding those images? I'm happy to add more stuff to the image, if it helps any. Cheers! - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 19:36, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * @PREVRAVANTH Can add Marina Beach picture if it is good
 * @Amog See that glary (too much brightness) image as of now in the frontpage instead of clicking the image and going in to its main page. Thats why I say, the present image is good viewing in a higher pixel but seeing in a lower pixel as of now in the frontpage of Chennai, it is more bright. Watch closely, the bottom 3 places of Santhome Basilica, Chennai Central, Valluvar Kottam - background color, which is pure white. The reason for this might be the person who did the work might have done that way during its pasting work. I still strongly feel we can make use of a better one, instead. Now have a look at this image that I suggest. It is natural. The coloring background is as per the time of the day. Again this is also pasted work, but it is natural and neatly covers the background of all those images individually. And the style the single images placed is good.


 * @others I feel anyone who can come up with a better image quality on lower resolution itself, along with better placement of individual images through pasting that looks natural lighting with neat look, can be used. But until that time as we already have one, we can use this > (http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%8D:Chennai_montage.JPG) -- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 02:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am afraid you have confused "transparency" for "brightness". The bottom three images have had their backgrounds removed, since they were not aesthetically pleasing. The background it now has is the native Wikipedia page color. It is not "pasted work" as you say. Anyhow, if you can gather consensus for this, feel free to change it. As for me, I oppose the move. - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 09:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Amog, Let me make myself clear here. I am just fine with the current montage on the article. The point on the adding more images was just in case we are changing the montage. To be honest, I think the current one with the background removed looks good enough. Moreover, as I said earlier, I do not like the montage on Tamil Wikipedia especially because of the Marina beach picture (which in my opinion, I repeat) is not very pretty.
 * I'm sorry Kenyan I am against the montage that you are proposing. No offence meant. Cheers <b style="color:orange;">Wiki San Roze</b><i style="color:green;">†αLҝ</i> 11:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * @all Hi guys. Here I made some hard efforts in meeting what you all wish. Especially @Wikiality -- I made the change and removed the beach portion and modified with Tidel Park building which gives a great good shape and quality and looks natural and ideal. Here is the image --> (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/10/Chennai_montage.JPG). Please do take care in support of this as it good and nice to view. Ideal montage with good appeal and natural view. -- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 14:38, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Image still is large and ungainly, one of the main reasons the original image was replaced. It is still an oppose from me. Sorry, keyan - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 15:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Common man. Have a look on other major cities infobox images. This is even smaller than those images and how can it be ungainly when it clearly represents the culture and customes of the city?? Its the right image than the present one. If anything more good montage with other mixing and combination of images is created, then we can use that. Time being it depicts the mood and culture of the city more clearly and very very importantly naturally and so it has to be used. If you refer it clearly with other city's, you can feel it. --- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 07:26, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keyan, i have had it with your disruptions. Here clearly people are against changing the montage and you are doing it unilaterally. I have reverted your change. Do not change the montage unless it is agreed upon here.--Sodabottle (talk) 07:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keyan, please listen to Sodabottle. You have to realize that Wikipedia is a community project and acting against standing community consensus is never appreciated. I realize you may have a little difficulty in your communication, but it is causing you to repeatedly bite off more than you can chew. You are really, really close to an ANI report, and trust me, it isn't something you want to happen - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 11:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Diplomatic missions
Have started this section after finding similar sections in other city articles in Wiki (e.g., Magati, Manila). To my knowledge, there are more than 35 foreign consulates/diplomatic missions in the city. So thought this is required. Please feel free to improve/modify this. Thanks Sodabottle (User) for all the guidance. Aravindk editing (talk) 11:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I am in two minds about this. By adding it, are we straying into directory territory?--Sodabottle (talk) 11:56, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it shouldn't be added, as yeah, as Sodabottle said, it will be a directory of sorts. Maybe a paragraph which notes the presence of various consulates would do? A prose format is always better when compared to a list, or so WP:MOS says. What do you ppl say?  The Mi ke •Wassup doc? 12:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
 * THis clearly doesn't belong here in list form. A sourced sentence on the number of missions may be acceptable if independent sources think so, but a list is entirely undue. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:48, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image, part trois
User:Adam.J.W.C. has sharply criticized my and has reverted it without informing me. The infobox image is now blue again, and I was wondering what the community wants to do now. What among these, do you feel is the best course of action: - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 05:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Replace the entire image with a new one, as suggested above
 * Revert the change back to transparency
 * Leave the image as is
 * Until we get some decent quality images we should probably stick to just Ripon on the infobox and put the others within the article. I don't think we should go for a montage at the expense of quality. If we still want the montage, the transparency is far better. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  05:20, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfectly fine with either. I really don't think quality images are going to turn up that fast though - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 05:28, 31 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Stick with Ripon image, till "high quality" images can be found. Probably we can ask the chennai photo walk people for donations (Chandrachoodan has a flickr stream with excellent images, but commercially licensed. we can ask him to donate a few)--Sodabottle (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. And I've asked him! - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 08:01, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Some are governed by a CC-Attrib-Sharealike, so go ahead folks. Use any of my photos to composite a new montage, or to use as part of the article itself. I shall upload a bunch today to Wikimedia Commons under a GNU Free License. Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan -Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan (talk) 09:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * If the community can decide on which pictures of CC's that we want to use, I'd be more than happy to make a new montage - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 09:19, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Bounce - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 09:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless CG has an account under a different name on Commons, I don't see any uploads. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he's been busy with some stuff. How about we decide from his photostream? He's got some really gorgeous pictures on it, and most seem to be share-alike licensed. Spiff/everyone else, could you have a dekko when you have the time? - Amog  | Talk •  contribs 16:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Madras name
The content that was added sometime last year and been sitting with a cn tag should go, there isn't any reliable source reference, and the only thing per the edit summary of the person adding it back is "he said so". That's not really good enough -- either some reliable source references be added immediately or the content is past it's cite by date. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  20:24, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Gamma+
The article said: According to the Globalization and World Cities Research Network, Chennai is a "Gamma+ world city", alongside cities such as Montreal, Nairobi, Bratislava, Panama City, Brisbane, Casablanca, Denver, Vancouver, Zagreb, Manama and Cape Town. I took this out of the introducing paragraph for the following reasons: As I found the information quite interesting in principle, I elaborated it slightly and moved it to "Economy". --BjKa (talk) 08:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Who is "The Globalization and World Cities Research Network"? They are not too widely known, so I doubt that this merits a mention so high in the introduction of the article.
 * Since few people know their measuring scale, and hence what "Gamma+" means without following up on the background it's more distracting than helpful.
 * The long list of similarly ranked cities is more of a distraction than a helpful introduction.
 * We've been struggling with this Alpha, Beta, Gamma stuff across many Indian cities. THe content is definitely not important enough to merit space on long articles such as this one, but it creeps back in, often into the lede. I think it ought to go as a whole. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  12:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. It should not be given undue importance. Many Indian city articles mention this, quite often in the lead.  The Mi ke •Leave me a message! 13:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Is the Tambora event worth mentioning?
So I ran into this (giving refs that can be used should it be put into the article) -
 * "Madras, India experienced a dramatic cooling during the last week of April 1815, a time when the relatively fresh ash and aerosol cloud from Tambora (10-11 April) would have been overhead. Morning temperatures dropped from 11°C on Monday to -3°C on Friday" -- from "Global catastrophic risks," Nick Bostrom
 * "Also, in late April 1815 and again in summer 1816, the temperature in Madras dropped below freezing, which is almost unheard of in this region" -- from "Encyclopedia of islands," Rosemary G. Gillespie, D.A. Clague
 * "Two weeks later, temperatures were below freezing in Madras, India (late April 1815)" -- from "A path where no man thought: nuclear winter and the end of the arms race," Carl Sagan, Richard P. Turco

It feels like the recorded temperature going below freezing to -3°C in Chennai is a pretty notable event (lots of mentions in literature - including Carl Sagan himself!) and contradicts info in this article about the lowest ever being recorded as 15.8°C. On the other hand, this was a freak event related to an explosion of Mount Tambora and I don't want to go and stick this in if it'll bug a bunch of people. What do you all think? --Hunnjazal (talk) 18:06, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Tourism
A featured article, a mega-city but no section on the Tourism of Chennai? Shouldn't that be integral to this article? I most certainly came looking for it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.205.142 (talk) 15:43, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * See external links : --Pawyilee (talk) 08:02, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Literacy rate
The article stated the literacy rate of the city to be 80.14 percent. But have a look at this source (published by Directorate of Census Operations - Tamil Nadu). It mentions the lit. rate as 85.33 percent. Looks like the existing source has calculated the lit. rate considering the whole population. In India literacy rate accounts only for persons aged above six, so children below six years won't be considered irrespective of literacy. The city has 433340 (11.08 percent of the population) persons aged below six years. Hope it's clear and I'm changing it to 85.33 as mentioned in the site. -- Thalapathi  (Ping Back)  05:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Pictures
Hello there. This article doesn't seem to have sufficient images to describe it. In other Indian cities, the best pictures from the cities alone seem to be there. Can anyone replace a few of these images or add some? Flickr and wiki commons have a good list. ,, , , , , , ,. Thanks! Secret of success (talk) 14:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The article has sufficient images. But a few images may be replaced. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The number of images IMO is optimal, but the actual images have been up for discussion for a really long time. Most of the images we have on Commons either aren't descriptive of the city or aren't aesthetically the best. We did a search on Flickr a while back but couldn't find any. e.g. The Meridien image that you've linked is exactly the type of image that we shouldn't have here. Chennai has many architecturally sound locales -- Connemara library, Museum, Egmore station, Santhome church, Kapaleeswar temple, War memorial, Fort St. George etc etc which have more relevance to the development of the city. The Chetput tank image is good but currently listed as non-commercial, if you can get the user to change the license and upload to commons that would be a good addition to replace something else. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I get the point. But the problem is that I joined only a few months ago and I am not experienced enough to do this, so I would be grateful if somebody who knows more about this does it. Good day to you! Secret of success (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Few images in commons, VinTN VtTN (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What about the Kapaleeshwar temple and sunset at Velachery lake? Are they improper?? Secret of success (talk) 15:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This Raheja Tower image looks good, can we transfer it by any chance from the commons? Some imp. tourist places can be found here. Secret of success (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposal to increase the images size in the article
Some major images, including the tidel park image seem to be extremely small and the quality of the image is getting compromised due to that. Could I increase the sizes of the files? I mean, not much, just about 50px in the necessary images. The article would be more clear in that way. Regards. Secret of success (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say hold off for now. A better option would be for us to implement the image rotation that is used on India. Basically consolidate all the transport images to one random image that changes with each load and so on, then we can increase the size of the image. As it stands right now, the images look odd within their respective sections and increasing their size without reducing the number of images will add to that problem. Some sections could use consolidation into the rotation system -- Transport, Health/Education come to mind. Likewise Ramakrishna Muth/Kapaleeswar temple (unless we get a better image) in one. Parry's/TIDEL park/Mount road to one and so on, and keep the more aesthetically pleasing images as stand alones. If you can request the Chetput Tank image owner to release in CC-BY-SA that would be great (there's a form request somewhere on the image page, you might be able to find it by searching, I can't remember where it is). If we can get a few images and discuss which ones to use and finalize, then implementing the image rotation and increasing the sizes without affecting the layout would be easy. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find any form request on the page. Could any experienced editor take this? Secret of success (talk) 16:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find a link for making a request just below the license at the right side of the page. You can also send them a flickrmail. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Chennai is the gateway to south India
I recently noticed that there was no mention of Chennai being the 'Gateway to South India' in the main section. It is an important point and the reference can be found here and also in other main sites. Someone plz add it there to highlight the city's significance. Also, Chennai was the only Indian city to be attacked by the central powers in WW1. This also requires attention. Regards! Secret of success (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be so sure of that (obviously a Chennai guide will say so). Following the emergence of Hyderabad and Bangalore as major cities, and Kochi as a major port, I don't think Chennai can be called a Gateway to South India. During WW1 of course, Madras was the gateway to South India. Its been some 80 years since ;)  Lynch 7  15:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, the WW1 thing can be mentioned separately, or maybe it does border on WP:TRIVIA.  Lynch 7  15:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with MikeLynch here, this is bordering on trivia and also not from a WP:RS. In addition, I don't know when the "world's 36th largest metro" crept in with this source, but unless a proper source is found for that, that bit has to go too. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The world's 36st largest metro can be supported by these links.   Also one of the links mentions that Chennai is India's second largest exporter of IT, so shouldn't it be mentioned? Secret of success (talk) 16:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The first is not a reliable source for such information, the next two use Wikipedia as their source. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

You can google to find more sources. The gateway of south India can be supported by this link. . Secret of success (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * See WP:BURDEN and WP:RS. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  16:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All right, chill. plz see these sources.  Secret of success (talk) 16:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Chennai is the "gateway of south india" for sure, mainly because of it's importance from the 17th century itself. But I dont think it's necessary to include that. I agree Bangalore and Hyderabad are emerging cities but pls dont compare Chennai with Kochi. -- Commander (Ping Me) 17:15, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Kochi as a major port in India (on the lines of Bombay and Haldia), and not as a city.  Lynch 7  17:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright! Still Chennai port is bigger than Kochi's :) -- Commander (Ping Me) 18:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, inconsequential to this discussion anyway :)  Lynch 7  18:13, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Gateway" has no precise meaning. New York is your gateway to the USA if you fly in there, whereas LA is your gateway if that's the way you go. If Chennai is consistently described as "the gateway to South India" in independent sources, that could be included. I sawBarcelona described as  "the north of the South and the south of the North", which is nice but still completely subjective. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree. Better if we omit such vague terminology unless an overwhelmingly large number of sources say so.  Lynch 7  18:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

All right, I just thought that 'gateway to south' means the southern most part of the country, but Chennai cannot be called that as Kanyakumari is the southern most point. Secret of success (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Tuticorin is the "Gateway of Tamil Nadu" -- Commander (Ping Me) 13:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * What makes you say that? Secret of success (talk) 14:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You have a misconception. Mumbai is the gateway of India. Does it mean it as the southern most part of India? -- Commander (Ping Me) 16:23, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I was not referring to gateway of India as the southern most point. I was mentioning the 'gateway of the south' being the southern city. Anyways, since others disagree, I see no reason to include it here. Cheers! Secret of success (talk) 06:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Some changes needed
There is no mention of Marina Beach as the second largest beach in the world. Can anyone add that? Secret of success (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * There are excellent images for the article in this link. The Charminar's image has been taken from that site. So I thought it could be used here too. Cheers! Secret of success (talk) 16:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * This rediff link says that Tidel Park is Asia's largest software park. Is it true? Also, in the article Chennai is stated as the second cleanest city but this link says that it comes first. Which is correct? Secret of success (talk) 18:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Second most competitive city
This link states Chennai as the second most competitive city after Delhi and followed by Mumbai. What does this mean? Is it in anyway useful to the article? Awaiting response! Secret of success (talk) 17:15, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Some useful links

 * Thie link states something about a best address in the city and I believe its quite useful if info is extracted. Another link worth watching is this saying SRM is India's no.1 private university. Plz add that. Secret of success (Talk) 16:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Recently, Jayalalitha announced the cleaning of the city and suburbs within 3 months. Is it relevant to the article?? Secret of success (Talk)
 * Looking at your comments here, I think its improper that you suggest addition of some SPS saying that SRM is Number 1 or anything of that sort. Again, this article is not for collection of random miscellany.  Lynch 7  06:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Its not exactly random info. The cleaning of the city and suburbs can be added to the footnotes and the best address can be added to the economy section. Secret of success (Talk) 13:37, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Chennai becomes as India's no. 1 medical destination
The link states that "Multi-speciality hospitals playing host to medical wonders on a regular basis, the best of doctors and schemes to provide quality care at affordable cost... But is Bangalore lagging behind Chennai as the country's top medical destination? It may be so, going by what medical education secretary M K Shankarlinge Gowda has to say." This is mainly due to the fact that Bangalore's cost of living and healthcare is high compared to that of Chennai, which makes people prefer cheaper medical care. Secret of success (Talk) 16:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, for one, nothing is mentioned conclusively. I mean, even if TOI were to publish a huge article saying "XXYY city becomes No. 1 medical destination", we can't really mention it unless there's some substance to it. The article you mentioned notes a remark by Shankarlinge Gowda, and that's it. There are no statistics to support it. If we get some proper statistics, then we can include it.  Lynch 7  17:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Education and Health Care
I've tagged this section with "Advert", "Synthesis" and "Example Farm", my edit summary lists out why -- the sources don't support the example farm or in some cases even the text. I'll try to clean this section up, but I suspect that a lot of similar issues exist in other parts of the article too where sourced content has been replaced bit by bit with these kinds of things. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  07:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Allowing People to edit as they like?
Not many seem to be aware of Chennai's FA status and people are being allowed to edit things as they like. I seriously don't want the quality of the article to go down and henceforth, I suggest all major edits if not discussed should be reverted AGF and the editor should be brought to notice. Please extend this rule, if not for everyone then at least for IP's. Hope everyone's ok with it. Thanks!! Secret of success (Talk) 13:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No one would want any article's quality to go down would they. Anyway, there is no need to make any explicit rule like that for this article. You should read WP:BRD. We've been following this "rule" for most edits on FAs like Bangalore and more conspicuously India.  Lynch 7  17:10, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So why can't you extend it here if its being done so for the Bangalore article? Secret of success (Talk) 13:52, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because there is no such rule. Whenever a user makes a bad edit to an FA, it is common practice to revert it and leave a kind note to the user saying that it is an FA, and asking him to bring it to the talk page. It is all included in WP:BRD. Edits made to a FA fall under more scrutiny than most other articles that's all.  Lynch 7  13:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So, do I get the freedom to revert all suspicious major edits and ask the person to discuss? Secret of success (Talk) 14:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. You can revert bad edits which are made to the article. -- Commander (Ping Me) 14:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Some facts about Chennai
I'm not sure if books tend to be RS's but take a look. It states that Chennai has the second largest air cargo base in India (larger than Delhi and Mumbai??) and second largest container port (quite obvious!). Also, someone tagged the world's second largest beach for citation. Here's a supporting link which states that Marina beach is "The world's most natural and second largest beach with an approximate length of 6 km. Secret of success (Talk) 13:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * According to a survey by Economic Times, Chennai is the third most developed city in India after Mumbai and Delhi. It says that the survey is based on "quantifiable factors, backed by data as opposed to a qualitative assessment based on perception". Secret of success (Talk) 12:26, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Featured article review
Over the past few to many months the quality of the article has deteriorated significantly, with a lot of images with little to no relevance being added, lists of companies, hospitals etc being in a manner that is completely undue within the text that exists and so on. Also, many of the references need cleaning up. I'll try to see if I can clean up a bit, but I'm afraid the article is due for featured article review pretty soon as it doesn't necessarily meet the criteria any longer. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  09:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are some issues I've identified so far:
 * Lede does not summarize the article, instead it goes on to add material that's not covered in the article
 * Excessive use of images, especially those that are not discussed within the article. Also, many that affect the layout of the article
 * Unverifiable text:
 * "The name chennai is a shortened form of Chennapattanam (சென்னப்பட்டணம்), the name of the town that grew around Fort St. George, which was built by the English in 1640.[16]" -- source does not verify this.
 * "It is widely believed that Madras was renamed as it is an English name. However, Madras is an exonym and the origin of the name of the madras still remains a puzzle.[21]" -- source does not verify this.
 * "The first official use of the name Chennai is said to be in a sale deed, dated 8 August 1639, to Francis Day of the English East India Company.[17]" is closely paraphrased from the source: "The first instance of the use of  the name Chennai is said to be in the Vestiges of  Old Chennai, the sale  deed of August 1639 to Francis Day, an agent for  the British.". There are two problems here -- the close paraphrase and inferring something ("an agent for the British" =/= "English East India Company", although it may not necessarily be wrong)
 * "The city's former name, Madras, is derived from Madraspattinam, a fishing village north of Fort St. George. There is some argument among researchers about the exact origin of the name Madraspattinam. It has been suggested that the Portuguese, who arrived in the area in the 16th century, may have named the village Madre de Deus, meaning the Mother of God.[19]" -- Source does not verify the first sentence.
 * "Sometime after the English gained possession of the area in the 17th century, the two towns, Madraspattinam and Chennapattinam, were merged, and the English referred to the united town as Madraspattinam." -- unreferenced.
 * This is just on looking at the first section, there are similar problems throughout the article now. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've found good sources. This and this. Some sentences do need modification, but most of them seem to be okay.  Secret of success  Talk to me  10:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Other problems: Based on my deeper look right now, I'm not even sure if the article is worth simply modifying and I think it's better to start rewriting (or writing) sections individually. I think Seattle is a good structure to start off with. If anyone has any suggestions of how to structure the article, please post. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  10:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Poor sourcing, a lot of text is sourced to the Chennai Corporation and District websites, while this may not be problematic for things like census figures etc, it's definitely not acceptable for history, etymology, etc.
 * The lede has become a dumping ground for "my city is the best" kind of text. e.g. "Detroit of Asia" is not a common moniker, yet it finds itself in the lede based on an op-ed that says "...in many ways resembles Detroit circa 1910." with a photo caption that says "..is rapidly becoming the new Detroit of South Asia..". Yet, our article unequivocally states "..which leads it to be called as 'The Detroit of Asia'." And of course, none of this is actually covered within the article of which the lede should be a summary.
 * The culture section has serious POV problems, with too much WP:UNDUE material.
 * Media, Education, Healthcare sections provide no value to the reader except listing out what's there in the city. These sections have turned into directory listings.
 * Transport section has become more of a service listing.
 * The excessive amount of useless imagery.
 * Dated statements like the greenfield airport in Sriperumbudur presented as current facts.
 * "The excessive amount of useless imagery." Could you please elaborate more on that? Regarding re-write, I guess if I had the proper structure, could get on with it. Considering Seattle, sports and media should be sub-divided with the culture section in this article.  Secret of success  Talk to me

Seattle is a good place to start off. I'm surprised I still see the golden star on top, since the Education section has so many flags. Also, we do not need so many pictures of transport facilities.  Lynch 7  07:29, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Citation needed
Borromean rings History of origin and depictions needs a citation, description and depiction for: A stone pillar at Marundeeswarar Temple in Thiruvanmiyur, Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India, has such a figure dating to before 6th century.[citation needed] --Pawyilee (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

how come kollywood has been described as the second largest film industry in india?
I think there has to be consistency regarding the editing of articles. the Hyderabad article was edited by secret of success saying that considering the peak for a few years doesn't entitle it to occupy the second spot. I request everyone to maintain consistency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Revharder (talk • contribs) 17:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Going by that logic, we can never specify any such "rankings", as every statistic is dynamic. Better to specify the year, as is done with airports.  Lynch 7  17:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

please specify the year as using the word "currently" does not define the time span