Talk:Cher Lloyd/Archive 1

I added a part to this page about music video's Do not delete as this is a new column Taoism74 (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)taoism74Taoism74 (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Redirect
The article doesn't need to be deleted, just redirected. She's still only notable for one event and should be redirected back to her list entry until her single has been released and has charted (there's not that long to wait). WP:1E applies here. - JuneGloom    Talk  19:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * She is clearly notable a quick look at the number of google hits and articles written about her prove that. If as has been stated its believed she isn't notable then the article should be taken through deletion process. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say she wasn't notable, just that at this time she is only notable for one event. - JuneGloom    Talk  19:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Because of all the vandalism etc the page has now been fully protected until January 2012.--5 albert square (talk) 19:58, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The vandalism is from IPs and new accounts, so semi should be enough. It also seems to have been reverted too far, to a redirected version - there is a dispute concerning whether it should be redirected or not, and consensus has not been reached - and the redirect isn't functioning correctly because of the protection template. Peter E. James (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ive left a message on admins talk page as consesus needs to be reached as to whether this should be a redirect or not which cant happen whilst is redirected. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If she's not had a single released then I agree with June above. --5 albert square (talk) 20:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Irrespective the debate must be allowed to go ahead. With the redirect in place it leads you away from the talk page so unless already bookmarked people whilst not be given the chance. The amount of users that have reverted from the redirect to the article and sources available would indicate she is notable and to not allow the debate to proceed is not in good faith. If she genuinely isnt notable then it should be nominated for deletion. By not you are acknowledging that to some degree she is notable. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree that the redirect needs to be discussed. There's currently no consensus for keeping the page as it is. JonChapple Talk 10:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not like there's no information about Cher Lloyd. Until her single charts somewhere, she's only notable for a single event: being a contestant on The X Factor. Stacey Solomon did not have an article until she won I'm a Celebrity..., when she was notable for a second thing. Until such time as her single charts, her list entry is sufficient for people wanting to read and/or write about Cher Lloyd. This is how it has always been for X Factor contestants. – anemone projectors – 12:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * She clearly passes the general notability guidelines and as Wikipedia stated in the notable for I event. As the event grows bigger or the persons role in it grows they may be eligible for there own article. As she passes gng and I feel that with the number of sources available for her she clearly is eligible for her own standalone article. Warburton1368 (talk) 14:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * But as she has a list entry, there's really no need to do anything until she becomes notable for a second thing. We could have articles for all the X Factor contestants, but we decided that BLP1E should always apply. GNG is satisfied by her list entry. – anemone projectors – 14:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * A second event isn't necessary - the requirement is for significant coverage that is not just within the context of one event. One problem is that some of the sources used in the article were not reliable, and that the rumours and gossip make it more difficult to find suitable coverage from reliable sources. Peter E. James (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

This redirect is lazy and ridiculous. Application of WP:1E is not appropriate, given that the event is over, and her coverage continues. The "no entry until you release a charting single" rule, has been completely made up and on this talk page just to set the bar beyond the subject's reach. It doesn't matter if the single charts or not, but whether there is reliable critical commentary on it, which there is already. Wikipedia is not the finished article, it's not about making sure we have a polished shiny exterior. Right now, there are people, new users wanting to write an article on Cher Lloyd and her single. They cannot do it. Sure, they could revert Swagger Jagger away from the redirect, but new users don't even know that they can do that, and chances are some experienced user kills it anyway. This article should not be a protected redirect, this conversation should not be limited to the power users who know that this talk page exists. - hahnch e n 16:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Spoken to the admin that fully protected page to ask for it to be downgraded but he do sent see our point of view. which means we need to make a request at WP:RFPP to reduce back to semi protect. I will do thatWarburton1368 (talk) 21:58, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it hasn't always been for X Factor contestants, some acts have articles even if they haven't released anything, but even though she hasn't released anything, the large amount of press coverage should mean something. And it's just two weeks until we find out if it has charted or not, I don't think there is a need to redirect it for that time. 82.46.152.122 (talk) 11:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The consensus appears to be that it should be an article not a redirect if that is the consensus then it should be put back into article space if no one else objects by tonight then we should do that however there must be no edit warring if this happens then it will be redirected and permanently locked again without discussion. Warburton1368 (talk) 11:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

(undent) The BLP1E rule was not just made up for Cher Lloyd, it has been applied several other times, to One Direction, Stacey Solomon, Olly Murs just to name a few. Solomon remained a redirect until she won I'm A Celebrity, giving her a second thing to be notable for. WP:NMUSIC states that a musician isn't notable until something has charted (as well as other things). We decided that the placement in a music competition did not apply, as every single X Factor artist would have an article, no matter how notable. So I am not just objecting for this article, this is how it has been with X Factor contestants for many years on Wikipedia. I don't believe there are other artists who have articles who are not notable for a second thing outside of The X Factor. – anemone projectors – 13:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Charted record is not a requirement, it is only one possible criterion. It's possible that criteria 1 and 11 are met, and as I mentioned above, that although the notability is because of one event (X Factor), some of the recent coverage (most of it because of the single) extends beyond that context. Peter E. James (talk) 14:27, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The ongoing coverage proves that her notability extends beyond the x factor. There is a lot of ongoing press on her way beyond the finish of the xfactor. Which means as stated above she is notable for her own article in her own right not just a redirect to the xfactor of which she is no longer a contestant of. WP:NMUSIC music also dosent apply as a reason because she passes GNG in her own right so is entitled to her own article even if she doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC as gng always over rules the wiki project. Warburton1368 (talk) 15:22, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * As per consensus article has been reverted to article do not revert back to redirect without a change in consensus. Warburton1368 (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 90.208.106.6, 3 August 2011
According to the iTunes chart, Swagger Jagger is at #1 (can't see why myself) and the article states that the peak position is to be confirmed. I suggest that this be amended.--90.208.106.6 (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

90.208.106.6 (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Information already added by another editor. Jnorton7558 (talk) 05:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

YouTube
Just saying that it was released yesterday that Cher had gotten 40 million views on youtube, not 38million! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.216.48 (talk) 07:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Performances table
Why does Cher not have a table charting her performances on X Factor like other contestants — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.106.137 (talk) 20:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Album title
"Swag Pop" or "Last One Standing"? I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about. --The Ultimate Koopa (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Charting
Why isn't her song chartings from Scotland on her main page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.241.23 (talk) 20:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 November 2011
Her video views have now exceeded 37m hits.

99.30.188.81 (talk) 23:43, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Mato (talk) 23:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 January 2012
cher has an obsesion with amy harrison since she met her in party in the park. amy is now one of chers bestfriends, and amy has been asked to be a bridesmade for chers and craigs wedding.

89.248.29.142 (talk) 11:39, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 17:29, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Does she have a vocal register?
I think she's a Mezzo but i'm not totally sure, can you check this and put it on?

Cleanup
did a major cleanup were big problems AdabowtheSecond (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Scare Quotes
Is it really necessary to have singer and rapper in scare quotes? ("singer" and "rapper") 27.252.42.196 (talk) 23:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Origin
Is it necessary to have Malvern, Worcestershire, UK listed twice in the infobox? Either only list her birthday under Born, or delete Origin.

Born 	28 July 1993 (age 18) Malvern, Worcestershire, UK

Origin 	Malvern, Worcestershire, UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.152.116 (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Early Life
Why is this section so sparse? Where did she go to school? Who are her parents?

For starters, what RACE is she?! Half-white half-filipina? On which side?

And what's this about being "gypsy"?! That's slipped in down the bottom as if everyone understands it, but isn't mentioned anywhere else! Is her white half of Romani exraction? As in, being Hungarian or something?

More info! 66.105.218.54 (talk) 05:29, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 September 2012
i ghave i highnly passion for cher lloyd and i'd love to meake this pasge som muych betta 90.215.70.41 (talk) 12:41, 2 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You gave no specific request. Sionk (talk) 12:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Template renamed
has been renamed
 * There is no need to change the article, because template redirects work fine. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:26, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Not to be Confused With Cher
Can we delete the "Not to be Confused With Cher"? I don't think anyone is going to get her confused with Cher because her name is Cher Lloyd, which is different than "Cher". Plus, Cher's birth name is Cherilyn Sarkisian, so why would someone type in Cher Lloyd thinking it was Cher? CPGirlAJ (talk)`

Edit request on 12 November 2012
In the career section you should put a picture of Cher Lloyd before a picture of Cheryl Cole because when a Google user searches Cher Lloyd a picture of Cheryl Cole is shown on the Wikipedia bio section instead of Cher Lloyd. It makes Wikipedia look like an unreliable source. 82.37.81.89 (talk) 06:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: We can't control what Google does, and Wikipedia articles should not be written to suit a particular search enginge's behavior.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

want u back usa
Listed several times on the page is the Want U Back has been certified double platinum when even though it may have sold 2 million it is yet to be officially certified on the RIAA website change this please --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Please provide evidence to support your claim. Otherwise no one can make the changes. Rain  the 1  19:05, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 November 2012
Please change "meaning the single has a has a worldwide cumulative" to "meaning the single has a worldwide cumulative" because the syntax (has a has a) is incorrect.

PrimeCipher (talk) 14:19, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

"Cher Lloyd's debut single "Swagger Jagger" was released in June 2011. Despite receiving negative reviews, the single entered at number one on the UK Singles Chart and number two on the Irish Singles Chart."

Didn't Swagger Jagger get mixed reviews? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.63.53 (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I've fixed "has a has a" - thanks for that! I've removed "Despite receiving negative reviews" following a BRD cycle, the sentence now starts with "The single entered...". Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:20, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 September 2013
About Cher's tattoos: She has a music note on her hand which she got when she was 16. That was her first tattoo. She says 'I was actually at school and had a lunch break so my mom took me to get a tattoo at a local artist’s house and then I went straight back.' She has a bird on her right arm and a birdcage on her left one as a memorial to her uncle's death. She says 'I remember growing up my uncle always had birds, and I thought that it would be interesting to do something different other than getting his name tattooed on me. I thought there was something special about leaving the cage door open and having the bird fly out the other side.' She has a bow on one of her fingers, a Dia de Los Muertos skull, the lyrics to You Are My Sunshine and butterflies. She has about 20 tattoos. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2361681/Cher-Lloyd-reveals-tattooed-body-magazine-cover.html

Laklouka (talk) 14:07, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Other than "fancruft", is there anything about these tattoos that is at all encyclopedic in value? ES  &#38;L  11:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 02:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

country
cher lloyd is a british rapper/singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.16.41 (talk) 06:06, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Other Facts About Cher Lloyd
Height: 4 ft 11 Weight: 70 pounds Chest Size: 32B Shoe Size: 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosetta Monrow (talk • contribs) 12:35, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request November 2013
Please change "Partner(s): Craig Monk (2011-present)" to "Spouse: Craig Monk (November 18, 2013-present)" as they are now married. The source is Cher's own instagram; http://instagram.com/p/g8t7SclkaK/

Jemappellehelen (talk) 20:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We need a better source. While possibly true, an instagram photo can be staged, and the text does not confirm the appropriate interpretation of the image. As such, using it to source the statement is original research, which is against Wikipedia policy. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)