Talk:Cheryl (singer)/Archive 1

Othello Award?
"On 3rd September 2006, Tweedy and Cole also picked up the 'Othello Award' at a reception in the Mercer Hotel, Dublin. This is a newly-founded prize set up to honour those couples in the public eye who do not deem it necessary to hide their love for each other despite lingering prejudices against interracial relationships or marriages.[citation needed]"

This seems to be a somewhat inappropriate name for this award, if it even exists, given the rather tragic ending of the play! (Othello is tricked into killing his wife, and later kills himself). --80.41.7.250 16:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see how this is a real award, it doesn't seem to fit any specific type of achievement other than these two being married, and letting everybody know about it. I wouldn't put this into the article unless someone can correct me on what this award really is. --Pholower 14:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nothing more than vandalism, I fear...  X damr  talk 01:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Semiprotected
There's a lot of allegations of Cheryl and Ashley's marriage being fake being added by IPs in the last coupla days. I just got a press call about it (!) and have semiprotected until the kiddies calm down and stop being silly ... if someone could unprotect in a day or two that should be enough - David Gerard 14:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And I just got another press call about the same history link ... someone's been playing silly buggers and sending this one around the media. Expect something in the Evening Standard tomorrow - David Gerard 21:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way - I did not delete the version from the history - I'm using it as an educational tool for journalists. I'm assuming Cheryl Cole's people will sensibly shrug it off as Internet noise and accept that we do try very hard to clean this sort of crap up - David Gerard 21:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "I did not delete the version from the history - I'm using it as an educational tool for journalists. I'm assuming Cheryl Cole's people will sensibly shrug it off as Internet noise" I think that's extremely optimistic and you should change it back... Fasterthansound 14:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * "You may wish to clarify the fact that she was still known as Ms. Tweedy, and not Ms. nor Mrs. Cole during the 2003 bathroom altercation ... root 14:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Nightclub incident and conviction
Replaced "Cole" with "Tweedy" throughout this section, as Tweedy was her name at the time of the incident. (cf. the Ashley Cole section of this article.) Soobrickay 19:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed removal of the The Apprentice UK template
I have started a discussion at Template talk:The Apprentice UK proposing the removal of template from this article (and the articles on other celebrities having appeared in the show). Please contribute your opinions to a discussion there. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I add this link please?
http://cheryltweedyvideos.blogspot.com/ What is the policy of this page on spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Funofthehoo (talk • contribs) 11:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Negative material
Comments such as It is a marriage of convenience as Cheryl is a racist and Ashley is gay. are highly inappropriate for this site. You're opinions DON'T matter here. This an encyclopedia, not a blog. Louiefontanez 17:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC) --69.151.61.143 00:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Funny since she isn't white. Part black i am guessing.

It still READS like a blog towards the bottom, in particular the "Media Attention" section relating to Lily Allen and the obvious commentary running in "Ashley Cole".ChrisP 01:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Image status unclear
I noticed that the image has been recently changed - the new one seems to have been cropped from a newspaper photograph, which as far as I can tell is copyrighted so I have marked it for deletion. EyeSereneTALK 20:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC) addendum Image removed from article EyeSereneTALK 20:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Vegetarian?
At the bottom of the article page (where it says categories) the last item is 'English vegetarians'. But this is not stated anywhere within the article itself; are there any sources that can confirm she is or is not a vegetarian? londonsista | Prod  19:43, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She famously (or is that infamously?) requested a vegetarian dish when dining at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant- it was shown on The F Word.KillerKat 17:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjfletcher (talk • contribs)


 * Found it- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/showbiz/article-23394746-details/%27Skinny+Girls+Aloud+don%27t+eat,%27+says+Gordon+Ramsay/article.do KillerKat 17:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjfletcher (talk • contribs)


 * She is indeed a vegetarian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d-SliqtwAk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.158.229 (talk) 04:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of the trashy tabloid story
And editor has asked why I made this edit, so here goes: Because the source/story is a random, trivial, tabloid article. So she kissed a randomer on the cheek, woop-dee-doo, shock horror. Not. If we included every little detail of the lives of Jennifer Aniston and Katie Price, their articles would be 10000GB+. We break WP:TRIVIA and WP:RS by including it. Dalejenkins | 19:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Rewritten 'Early life'
I've made some pretty drastic changes to the first segment of this article- it's generally just a rewrite; with the attempt of making it flow a little better. There's also a link that seems a little fishy- the site it directs to seems to an unregistered domain, but I haven't deleted it as I don't know if the article has just been moved. KillerKat 17:30, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Which link is it? A Google search for the title of the relevant link might help you find the missing reference, if it has moved anyway.  [Jam] [talk] 17:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The one that claims she won a ballet competition. I added a 'citation needed' mark, but didn't remove the original website address - KillerKat (it's logged me out...)


 * Right, I couldn't find a verifiable source for ballet and dancing competitions as such, so I've re-written it with a source from BBC News which says she was in the Royal Ballet's summer school around age nine. That should do unless something else / more can be found.  [Jam] [talk] 06:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Size critics
Cheryl lashed back at critics who claimed she had lost too much weight. I think it should be mentioned in the page http://uk.news.yahoo.com/1/20081127/ten-cole-hits-back-at-size-critics-c60bd6d.html. It's pretty recent news though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.173.34 (talk) 16:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Brothers and sisters
Three, said to be brothers and sisters, are apparently half-brothers and half-sisters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.221.3 (talk) 10:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Source?  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 11:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * An auto-biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.21 (talk) 11:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Which one? Any web source? Citation?  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 11:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * "Cheryl Cole: Her Story", by Gerald Sanderson, published by Michael O'Mara Books Ltd.,
 * ISBN 9781843173472. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.207.21 (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Her younger brother Garry is her only brother. Joseph, Andrew and Gillian are her half-brothers and half-sister. She says “I found out my mam and dad had never been married and that the older three weren’t my biological brothers and sister, they were from my mam’s first marriage” Source ILOVEtheCLIQUEgirls (talk) 15:26, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I've updated the page with the source given.  [ジャム] [ t  -  c  ] 19:32, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Siblings who share one parent only are biological siblings, but of half-blood rather than full. F W Nietzsche (talk) 00:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Residence
Cheryl Cole currently lives in Newcastle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puppieskittens (talk • contribs) 16:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Solo career
Can somebody put in about her aims to start a solo career? I can't seem to edit the page. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8017402.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kavlar Hunt (talk • contribs) 08:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I can't edit the section myself, so I need to ask for "Solo Career" to be updated. Perhaps a mention of Cheryl's performance on the X Factor, and the subsequent #1 on the iTunes Top 100 list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.49.53 (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Can we put something about all her songs of the Three Words album entering the itunes top 50 on Monday 26th October? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobiRiot (talk • contribs) 00:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Main image
Her eyes are black and she looks like a demon in that picture. Is there no other free picture available? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.2.154 (talk) 06:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose it isn't a great picture, but that could be down to the lighting or something. Someone added an alternative image (see here) which is a much better picture, but unfortunately it doesn't appear to have sufficient copyright details. Perhaps someone can fix that. I've re-added the old one. It'll have to do for the time being. TheRetroGuy (talk) 21:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Just to say, please don't re-add the image unless you can address the issues relating to its copyright. Thanks TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Personal life
Why is there no info added on her personal life about the anorexia she had and overcame? and about how it came on from Cole cheating on her? Surely her battle with anorexia is important. 77.96.95.251 (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, yeah put the stuff about Ashley Cole cheating on her but i dont ever recall her having a "Battle with Anorexia". Since when?? that will need to be sourced if even true... --Patyo1994 (talk) 16:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole is a supporter of the Labour Party, and has referred to Conservative Party Leader David Cameron as "slippery".

http://www.heatworld.com/Celeb-News/2009/12/We-cant-believe-Cheryl-Cole-said-THIS/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.20.227 (talk) 16:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

"her husband had cheated on her with another five women." - Grammatically, this should probably read "five other women," unless he slept with these five women collectively, in some sort of scandalous, demented ménage à six or had been unfaithful to her with a previous group of five women. - A concerned grammar nerd.

Shoddy reviews in article overview
The article states that Cheryl Cole's new album will be released to generally shoddy reviews, however there is only one source to back this claim up, and, investigation of this source would seems to indicate that peer reviews and populist reviews are generally more positive than negative or 'shoddy'. Therefore I would propose a change to reflect this or th addition of further sources to back this claim up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robnx01 (talk • contribs) 18:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

3 Words
On the Cheryl Cole discography section it says the single "3 Words" is currently at 28 in the charts; underneath it says "(midweek)". This needs to be immediately removed as a midweek chart is not official and merely monitoring sales and shipments for industry purposes, not for fanatical Cheryl fans to put on her wikipedia page because they can't wait till Monday. Patyo1994 (talk) 20:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Doing the double - single/album
Cant edit being semi-protected. Just thought it should be known that tonight, Sunday 1st November, Cheryl did the double and is number one in the UK singles chart and in the UK album chart. Prefereably after the brief, mention of 3 words at the top of the article, in the introduction. statistic can also be put in a table under single/album success... etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt1291 (talk • contribs) 22:46, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

3 Words update
There is no mention of the cd being released in america in march 2010.--Cooly123 14:01, 8 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)
 * You should probably add the information to the 3 Words article itself I think, rather than here. Paul Largo (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Altercation night club has once again changed name
The Drink is now called "The Casino".

See http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2061214_harpers_nightclub_a_casino_in_name_only —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoffin bigman (talk • contribs) 00:33, 22 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I've updated it. Paul Largo (talk) 17:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Edit request
To add to the 'Personal Life' section details of her support for the UK Labour Party following her recent interview with the Daily Mirror. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calum Sh (talk • contribs) 19:41, 23 December 2009

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to contribute. The editsemiprotected template is used to allow non-autoconfirmed users to insert changes into semiprotected articles using other autoconfirmed editors as proxies. Simply express the change you want to make in a 'please change X to Y' level of detail and someone will insert it for you, unless there is a problem. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 20:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Main photo
Can someone find a better photo or more to be added the one currently on is awful and about 3-4 years outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.189.68 (talk) 20:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Uber chav
Why no reference to her chav lifestyle circa 2003? This girl was the self-proclaimed Queen of the Chavettes. An uber chav, if you please. She was an inspiration to millions - yes, millions - of problem children all over Britain. Surely this warrants inclusion in the main article? 01:40, 26 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.241.251 (talk)
 * Googling "Queen of the Chavettes" gives 173 results; add "Cheryl Cole", and it drops to 1 unreliable blog. Since it is up to you to provide a reliable source, and bearing in mind our policy on biographies, I advise you to find one, and it should not be added otherwise, not that it would support "millions of problem children" by itself anyway. Rodhull  andemu  19:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

But the article contains terms such as "style icon" and "fashionista" (?). I haven't checked the sources but I'm assuming it's been sourced from Glenda Slagg or a journo of her ilk. Hardly a credible reference. And, like it or not, Cole is infamous for her transformation from chav to chic. I genuinely feel this needs to be included in the article; the metamorphosis from ugly duckling to swan *cough*.BTW I had a very quick websearch and her own bandmate (the ginger one) admits that Girls Aloud were all " a bit chavvy" in 2003. 82.37.241.251 (talk) 21:56, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Girls Aloud were "a bit chavvy" is a long way from Cheryl Cole being "Queen of the Chavettes". You are nowhere near that at present, as it is a self-published source, even if accurate. Rodhull  andemu  21:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Googling "Cheryl Cole chav" reveals stories like "Cheryl from Chav to cool" and old articles where she said she was "proud to be a chav" etc. I certainly remember her being the "chavvy one" a few years ago. 08:31, 12 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.172.25 (talk)

L'Oréal controversy
Why no mention of the L'Oréal contoversy? This article isn't very neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.241.251 (talk) 22:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * What controversy? You don't seem to have realised that things like this require reliable sources. Cite one, and it might go in. Rodhull  andemu  22:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, don't just make stuff up. And I hope to hell you are female. --Misortie (talk) 22:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1230008/ Happy now? 82.37.241.251 (talk) 23:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * "It has now emerged that the Advertising Standards Authority has processed and rejected 13 complaints that the adverts were misleading because the disclaimer about Cole’s hair extensions was 'clear and legible'." If this is a controversy, it's a piss-poor, and arguably manufactured one, and does not deserve to be given any space in an encyclopedia per WP:UNDUE and WP:TRIVIA. I think you're looking for a blog somewhere else, but not here. Rodhull  andemu  23:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Bullshit. You've clearly a pro-Cole agenda. You asked for a source; I provided one. 82.37.241.251 (talk) 00:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
 * For the record, my agenda is pro-encyclopedia (and I'm not sure if you've ever read one before), and I'm not carrying a torch for very minor celebrities whom I would not miss if they were absent. But you cited a source, but for what? Fuck all. This is not a controversy, unless you're very easily inflamed. Rodhull  andemu  00:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

The article contains frivolous crap about Twitter pics and Elle articles. Not very "encyclopaedic", in all fairness. Let's just see what response this section gets. I'm fairly confident it's worthy of inclusion in the article. 82.37.241.251 (talk) 00:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree Loreal part should be added but 82.37.241.251 its very clear you have an ANTI-Cole bias unless you are willing to back the text with realiable sources but instead write your own opinion than that is vandalism.

It's going in the aricle. If Twitter pics of her wedding ring meets the encyclopaedic threshold then so does this. King of Mercia (talk) 08:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Outrageous bias
What happened to Wikipedia priding itself on objectivity and neutrality? The article on the Cole girl is a farce. Her own P.R team couldn't have done a better job. Every section follows the same pattern : Mrs Cole is a precious, wee cherub and the world should be grateful it has her. Every "source" cited is biased in Cole's favour; from fashion articles to reviews of her music. Objectivity seems to have gone out of the window. How do I officially question this articles neutrality? To whom should I complain? King of Mercia (talk) 08:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

"Heroin-ridden" estate
The article cited for this bit of tripe is clearly full of info fed to the 'journalist' by Cole's PR machine. If anyone can find another source that shows the actual rate of heroin addiction in Heaton and Byker, feel free to put it back it, but as for now I'm removing it.Joy.discovery.invention (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Try running it through Google News. The acid test will be if there are any articles that mention the estate's heroin problem, but don't mention Cheryl Cole. Paul Largo (talk) 16:56, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * In regards to the estate in question, as a local resident, the estate, known locally as the 'Addison and Grafton Estate'; isn't any more heroin ridden than any other inner-city urban area. I believe the current edit is better - i.e. without the 'heroin'. BNC85 (talk) 11:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

2010
Needs to be added that she will perform at the Brits 2010, will sing on the charity single "Everybofy Hurts" and will tour europe for her album. She will be judging on German X factor. And will supposidly release 3 words in america and promote it there.--Cooly123 02:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

How can she judge on German Xfactor if doesnt speak German?♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 13:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt she will be a judge on another version of The X Factor. She's too busy, and as Miss-simworld said, she doesn't speak German. According to the article, the judges haven't been announced yet. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

FHM Sexiest Woman in the World 2009
Why isn't this mentioned in 'awards'? VenomousConcept (talk) 18:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps becuase it's hardly a real award, more like casual misogyny. In fact it's a poll that comes with a title more than an awards. Besides she hasn't 'won' it for a talent, just her looks. 79.78.81.32 (talk) 20:18, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Saying women are sexy is not misogyny. Jim Michael (talk) 16:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ha ha - it's still an award, no matter how she won it. If she'd won a 'chav of the year' award, I think it would still be worthy of a mention. VenomousConcept (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * She won the same award this year as well. I think it is relevant enough to mention, as it is one of the most popular magazines in the UK; hundreds of thousands of its readers vote in this 'contest'. Of course it is only opinion / perception, but it is by a substantial number of the general public (be it mostly young men). It is not a vote by a few of the mag's staff. Jim Michael (talk) 20:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Divorce
Cheryl has divorced now. Therefore her name is Cheryl Tweedy. Please change this.
 * It's up to her to decide what surname she will use, and until she announces otherwise, we should keep it as Cole. Rodhull  andemu  18:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * She hasn't divorced, and even if she does so in the future, whether she changes her surname is up to her. Many divorced women continue to use their ex-husband's surname for the rest of their lives. Reverting to maiden name, whilst common, is neither automatic nor mandatory. Jim Michael (talk) 00:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you mean seperated which isnt the same as a divorce legally they are still married,I heard she hasnt filed the divorce case yet if even she did file for divorce now it takes 2-3 months ( thats for a quikie as they call it) to finish that includes the six week period to be finalized. Even so she may chose to keep the surname for comericial purposes like Demi Moore did keep the first name of her 1st husband for stage purposes.♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 11:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Surname
Cheryl Cole's surname is Cole, isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.188.40 (talk) 17:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It is until she announces that she's changed it. Rodhull  andemu  17:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * She is still going with Cole for now ♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 00:23, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The article refers to her as Cole throughout, but that has only been her surname since July 2006. Should it say Tweedy in reference to events prior to her marriage? Lines such as 'Cole auditioned for Popstars: The Rivals in 2002' don't sound right. Jim Michael (talk) 17:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We could just change it to Cheryl and end all the confusion. Paul Largo (talk) 20:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't support that. But if we change name midstream, the reader will be confused, and I wouldn't want to see stuff such as "then known as Cole", which is just clumsy. Keep as Cole throughout since we already explain her unmarried name and her marriage to Ashley Cole. Rodhull  andemu  20:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, haven't written many biographies so wasn't really aware of that. Fortunately the ones I have written comply with this rule. Actually you'd be surprised at the number of biographies where people do use the person's first name throughout the article. I'll change that whenever I see it from now on. Paul Largo (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Fortune of 25 million was joint with husband Ashley
Cheryl on her own is not worth 25m pounds its what both her and her husband's joint wealth was he is worth around 14-15 million and now that she is divorcing and states she doesnt want a penny of his earnings her actual net worth goes somewhere along the lines of 6-10 million. Ashley was the richer half of the pair.♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I added her wealth as £10m, which is what is stated in the Sunday Times Rich List 2010. This was removed on the basis of it being unreliable. Can anyone suggest a more reliable source for how rich she is? Jim Michael (talk) 20:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request
add more abbot 2007 86.131.131.58 (talk) 20:25, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, haven't a clue what you're asking for. Rodhull  andemu  20:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

B class?
B Class article? HAHAHAHAHA. For one thing the article starts abysmally with 5 paragraphs in the lead sentence, some of which are little more than single senteces. Structurally this article is tragic. 79.78.73.186 (talk) 14:53, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How exactly do you think it should be improved? Jim Michael (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say merging some of the smaller paragraphs would be a start. For this to be one of the articles at the higher end of Wikipedia the lede should be a preview of information which will appear in the main body of the text. Whether this is a B class article or not I'm not sure, but it's definitely quite informative about her and of significant length (currently 43 kilobytes). Paul Largo (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The lead is now 4 paragraphs. If anyone thinks it is not a B article, please state which part of the criteria you think it does not meet. Jim Michael (talk) 03:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure whether it was a B as I hadn't read through it carefully. At a glance it seems ok to me though. A suggestion, why don't you nominate it for GA and if there are any issues it would get a comprehensive review from other editors. Cheers. Paul Largo (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * A better idea might be to submit it for Peer review. That's always a useful process. I'll put it forward and then we can find out what else it needs. Paul Largo (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I've put in a request for a peer review so let's wait and see what happens. Cheers Paul Largo (talk) 15:49, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Planned rewrite
Just to let everyone know, following the peer review I'm planning to do some major work on this article in the next few days. I'll be rewriting, editing, adding and moving stuff around and generally hoping to improve it to GA or FA standard. Please feel free to help out in any way you can. Cheers Paul Largo (talk) 22:31, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just an update. I've been delayed a bit because of the present FAC I'm working on which needs a few tweaks, but I'll take a look at this as soon as I can. In the meantime if anybody else wants to make a stort then please feel free to help. Cheers Paul Largo (talk) 13:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

British or English?
This has been changed in the lead a few times. Does anyone know how she self-identifies? Jim Michael (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * cheryl is british and english the same as everyone else who lives in england in the UK, if your from scotland your scottish/british, wales welsh/british its not hard to understand no one defines themselfs as one or the other it is not politicly correct. — [ Unsigned comment added by 92.29.61.220 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 25 April 2010.]


 * No, contrary to your so-called "politically correct" opinion, many people identify themselves specifically as "English" (or Welsh or Scottish) and do not consider themselves "British", and vice versa. It also does not make any difference where you live - if you moved and settled in France that would not automatically make you French; if your parents were French and you lived in England, you may well consider yourself to be French or French-English or whatever. So it's not as straightforward as you think and IS down to how someone identifies themselves. It is not our place to label people something they do not consider themselves to be. (I found this comment as you had also edited the Jeremy Clarkson article - which I have reverted. I neither know nor care about Cheryl Cole so I'll leave this one as it is.....) Halsteadk (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

you must be some nationalist because cheryl cole and jeremy clarkson are both english and british infact jeremy calrkson is yorkshiremen, english and british. Fact: if you are born in england you are english, if you are born in scotland you are scottish, if you are born in wales you are welsh, if you are born in great britain you are british, if you are born in europe you are europian. Calling yourself english and not british is just like saying im a yorkshiremen but not english or im a londerner but not english. — [ Unsigned comment added by 92.29.61.220 (talk • contribs).]
 * I advise a reading of British nationality law and WP:UKNATIONALS before you get much further into error here. Rodhull  andemu  21:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I advise you to look at a map and tell me that england (english people) is part of great britain (british people) and great britain is part of the united kingdom (british people/irish people) and the united kingdom is part of europe (europian people). That is fact not error. If you are born in scotland in great britain you are scottish/british the same as if you are born in born in texas in the united states your are texan/american. — [ Unsigned comment added by 92.29.61.220 (talk • contribs).]
 * You didn't read my above post or its links, did you? Maps mean nothing here. Rodhull  andemu  21:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

politically and geographically people born in the island of great britain are British with dual citizenship applied to people who live in northern ireland. — [ Unsigned comment added by 92.29.61.220 (talk • contribs).]
 * So a child of a Nigerian couple born while they are visiting the UK on holiday has British citizenship? No. Please do some basic reading before putting your foot further into it. And you are also wrong about Northern Ireland. Would that it were a simple as you imagine, but it isn't. Rodhull  andemu  22:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Any person who is born in a sovereign state despite there position (there parents where visiting the UK in your case) has the right to acquire (the state that they were born within) citizenship if they choose to. In fact a person I know was in this position and he has dual citizenship as an Australian and British citizen. And citizens born in Northern Ireland are entitled to choose there citizenship status since the Anglo-Irish treaty 1922. — [ Unsigned comment added by 92.29.61.220 (talk • contribs).]
 * No. It's not universal. See Jus soli. It's a while since I've lectured this topic, but this branch of law doesn't change very quickly. And choosing status does not imply dual citizenship, since the AIT 1922 gave a choice, and in any event was overridden by the Statute of Westminster 1931. Next! Rodhull  andemu  22:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting article on the subject (not that anon has taken up previous reading material offers): http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003560.html. A sample of people living in Britain were surveyed and asked whether they were British, English, Scottish, Welsh, other, or any combination. Only 31% ticked "British" at all, and not surprisingly those in Wales and Scotland were less inclined to consider themselves "British" than those in England. Only 13% described themselves as both British and either English, Scottish or Welsh. Anon is one of the 13% and clearly feels that the other 87% are all wrong (and presumably all "some nationalists"). Hmm. Halsteadk (talk) 22:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Except of course we have guidelines here that are independent of surveys, and even the law. Rodhull  andemu  22:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, although I think it's fair to say the survey backs up the guidelines, in that someone born in Yorkshire will not necessarily want to term themselves a Yorkshireman, English, British and European, and as the guidelines say most of us do have a preferred nationality, which should be respected. Halsteadk (talk) 23:06, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree entirely, but lines have to be drawn somewhere before devolution reaches its post-logical conclusion and Cornishmen start referring to themselves as Bretons simply because the two territories were connected 10,000 years ago. That road, I do not think we wish to travel. Rodhull  andemu  23:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

There should not even be a discussion or survey on this subject, the fact of the subject is that the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a country and any citizen of that country is internationally recognised as British. Partially people from the island of Great Britain where the term Briton and British originated from. Before Scotland, England and Wales existed people living on the island of Great Britain where recognised as Britons and British people. The only influences for Scottish, English and Welsh nationalism today are sport, government, and language which I believe should be nationalised and England Scotland and Wales should be dissolved into extinct states as they should have been 300 years ago then we would not be in this mess of national identity. — [ Unsigned comment added by 78.149.203.13 (talk • contribs) 11:39, 26 April 2010.]
 * I assume you're not the previous anon contributor on a different IP. You raise an interesting point initially regarding "international recognition", ie that you have a different identity depending on who you're speaking to. If you're English and you speak to a Scot, then you're English. Speak to someone from France and you're British. Speak to someone from another continent and you may even be European rather than British (though I doubt very many Brits would accept that). Halsteadk (talk) 11:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Disney contract
There have been some rumors that she had signed a contract with Disney recently. She is set to work on a movie similiar to Camp Rock. And that they have worked at the Disney Studios to make her Parachute music video. I have a source from MTV UK that confirms it but, they had got the information from The Daily Mirror. Could be just rumors that have been circulating around the internet. But I think it would only be right to add the info. Here is the source: http://www.mtv.co.uk/artists/cheryl-cole/news/209739-cheryl-cole-disney-x-factor --Sprite7868 (talk) 01:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Separation
The lead says her separation from her husband was announced on 24 February; the Personal life section states she announced the separation on 23 February. The article does not state when they actually separated. Jim Michael (talk) 01:20, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Article improvements
I've made a start on improving the article along the lines of the points made in the peer review. I'm about half way through so there's more to do, and some references to find. I'll do more later in the week. In the meantime, feel free to help if you can. Cheers Paul Largo (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect statement made by Mail Online re. Cheryl's secondary school
Hi. I've replaced the Mail citation with a citation from the Mail Online which quotes the Headmaster of Walker Comprehensive School, Dr. Steve Gaiter. Cole did not attend Heaton Manor Comprehensive - the headteachers of the time as when Cheryl was in secondary education would have been Mr. Peter Illingworth, Mr. Michael Nesbitt and Mr. John Dryden. I have contacted the Mail to alert them to their error in their publication made by Piers Morgan. Cheers! BNC85 (talk) 10:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Cheating husband 2010
I dont how it is going to be put into the article but her husband again has been accused of cheating on her with four different women which is perhaps the most humiliating point in her career to date. One of whom he sent nude pics of himself to which have been posted all over the tabloids even broadsheets. She has also been since seen without her wedding wing and has escaped to LA, because of that burglars attacked their mansion for looking for them. This isnt the first time he cheated on her that being the case with the chav hair dresser he slept with in 2007 that emerged pubically in 2008. Although not yet reported she is going to divorce him it is going to annouced officially soon. I wont add this to the article, but note to editors who may.♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 17:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Pubically? 92.2.93.175 (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

yeah her spokesperson annouced it they are now seperated http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8531260.stm♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Can someone please fix seperated -> separated in the article, since it's protected for anon edition? Thank you. 83.251.103.57 (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. The article is only semi-protected – autoconfirmed users can still edit.  matt (talk) 20:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

She filed for divorce today!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by RachelJane1989 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

New album
Do we have a source for the fact that Cheryl is going to be releasing a whole new album in 2010? Sources seem to be confused as to whether it'll be a new album or a (US) re-release? Also there are several sources saying it will be more RnB and less pop/dance more and there are others saying the exact opposite...which must be speculation on part of the jounalists...I suggest we wait for information from the lady herself, or her reps.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.69.38 (talk) 20:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Small change - heading section of page
In the opening blurb

'In 2008, Cole became a judge on the British reality television show The X Factor.[4] Cole's first solo single, "Fight for This Love", was the the third fastest-selling single of 2009 (just behind Joe McElderry & Rage Against the Machines) and up to that point when it entered the UK Singles Chart and Irish Singles Chart at number one.[5] Her debut solo album 3 Words achieved similar success.[6]'

It is 'Rage Against the Machine' not 'Rage Against the Machines'

It should read

'In 2008, Cole became a judge on the British reality television show The X Factor.[4] Cole's first solo single, "Fight for This Love", was the the third fastest-selling single of 2009 (just behind Joe McElderry & Rage Against the Machine) and up to that point when it entered the UK Singles Chart and Irish Singles Chart at number one.[5] Her debut solo album 3 Words achieved similar success.[6]' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puddleme (talk • contribs) 10:03, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to dispoint but Lady Gaga was the best selling single of 2009! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.17.192 (talk) 12:27, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Erm, he said it was the FASTEST selling single of the year, not the BEST selling single, just to tell you correctly 92.236.17.192 just to correct you Bevanbp (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

New picture
I would just like to say, the picture in the article isn't a really good picture( not meant to offend Cheryl), so can you get a better free image, like on of them of the X Factor or on of them in the music vid. Cheers! Bevanbp (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The reason it looks bad is because it's too small so the infobox stretches it. I don't know if we can fix that. Anemone  Projectors  18:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

...and grew up in poverty on council estates...
This is very subjective. Shouldn't it just be "and grew up on council estates"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.153.133 (talk) 23:51, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It is true, reliably sourced, and relevant. The council estates she grew up on were poor and had high crime rates, even compared to the average council estate. She has said how bad they were, including the heroin problem. Jim Michael (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Article overhaul
I've been asked by PaulLargo to complete his overhaul of the article, so will take a look at it later in the week. He seems to have got about two thirds of the way through it so I'll finish off and use the peer review as a guideline for any improvements needed. I'm not too familiar with her work so please excuse me if I make any serious errors in the process. I'll try to do my best. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 11:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Tattoos
Cheryl is said to have five tattoos, but the one on the outside of her right hand might be a henna painting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.148.88.25 (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC) The site www.sillyjokes.co.uk says that the tattoo on her hand is temporary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.35.83 (talk) 14:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Malaria
It was cconfirmed that she caught Malaria after a trip to Africa I think....I got the information from hollywire.com it was on on July 6th —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.27.196 (talk) 23:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is in the article already at the bottom of this sectionCheryl_Cole. Perhaps it should be added to the introduction if the story develops more over the next few days. BritishWatcher (talk) 23:47, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved it from the lead section to the personal life section, I didn't really feel it worthy of mention in the lead section. Unless she dies I don't see how the story can develop really. Anemone  Projectors  01:11, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole was just hours from death, it was confirmed and that she cannot speak. I think it should be put in the main section as it is a main event and it could have led to her death. Bevanbp (talk) 15:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * The personal life section is part of the main article. There is no main section. The lead section is a summary of the rest of the article, so only a brief mention there, going into more depth under "personal life". Anemone  Projectors  15:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Can we move the page back please? (Cole/Tweedy)
She's still better known as Cheryl Cole. Also the actual meaning from the source is unclear. It says her last name has been dropped from new merchandise. Does that mean it just says "Cheryl"? Her name still is Cheryl Cole (and will be even after her divorce until she changes it legally). Anemone Projectors  17:14, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I did it anyway, for the reasons I gave above. Anemone Projectors  22:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Very good. Yes, as I understand it the article name should be the "common name" as per WP:UCN.  Additionally, we can't predict that she will legally change her name because we are not a crystal ball WP:NOTCRYSTAL.


 * New problem now: "legal name should usually appear first ... followed closely by the pseudonym" MOS:BIO.  "give the maiden ... of a woman better known under her married name" MOS:BIO.  Because of this I'll need to change the title.  --Hutcher (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no pseudonym in this case. The issue here is that some sources say / imply that she wants to be known by her first name only, as is the case with Madonna. Some other sources are claiming she has reverted back to her maiden name. None of the sources that I've seen would be regarded as reliable, so I think the article name and first sentence of the lead should stay as they are, unless we have a good source that warrants changing it. Jim Michael (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl has filed for divorce and I believe she wants to return to her maiden name. So, should the article be changed to Cheryl Tweedy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.174.155.11 (talk) 23:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see above discussion. We would need a reliable source, such as her announcing that she wishes to be known as "Tweedy" again. Rodhull  andemu  23:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources now confirming her switch back to Tweedy, for example: http://www.holymoly.com/celebrity-news/x-factor-2010-cheryl-cole-no-more-its-back-tweedy47256 and http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/x_factor/3027337/Simon-Cowell-introduces-X-Factor-co-judge-Cheryl-Cole-as-Tweedy.html - Comment added by User:Eddyegghead(talk) 21:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * These aren't that clear; and they both report the same thing, which was Cowell's remark. Not reliable enough to be usable in a biography. Rodhull  andemu  20:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * And as I said below, even if she wants to be called Tweedy, does that mean Wikipedia should call her that even though Cole is her actual legal name? Anemone  Projectors  21:40, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Now, I know the huge discussion about Cheryl Tweedy's name on the article but I would like to make a good point. You see, on the X Factor auditions she was announced as Cheryl Tweedy and reports have emerged that she is going to remove the 'Mrs C' tattoo from the back of her neck. It may not be much but then again, it's evidence. I won't mind if it stays as Cheryl Cole but then again I am making a point. Bevanbp (talk) 17:30, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Even if she goes around saying "call my Tweedy" it doesn't mean she's actually called that, does it? Anemone  Projectors  18:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * She's had a divorce though - she's made it official that she is Tweedy again. 81.152.7.77 (talk) 09:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * No she's filed for divorce. And after the divorce is finalised she'll still be legally Cheryl Cole unless she changes it by deed poll. I don't understand why everyone seems to think divorced women automatically revert legally to their maiden name. They don't. Anemone  Projectors  10:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl's PR have said that no decision has been made yet regarding her name - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iwL7NFZaq2D3catU85WqLJFYErDw - Therefore at the moment no changes need to be made 89.243.147.136 (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I understand that her legal name is still Cole. Cheers Bevanbp (talk) 18:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Cole/Tweedy
Is it too early to change the name of the title page..... i did type tweedy when i searched but was redirected... couldn't this be the other way round? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.178.101 (talk) 12:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think so. See recent discussion above. Rodhull  andemu  14:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole = No
She changed her name back to Tweedy... change the page name from Cheryl Cole !

Sources: Introduced on X-Factor as Cheryl Tweedy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.231.207 (talk) 18:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a reliable source; see discussions above. Rodhull  andemu  18:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Should remain at this title for the time being, maybe in the future there will be more justification for it to be moved to the other name. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Every news report I see calls her Cheryl Tweedy based on what Simon Cowell said, but a source given in an above discussion confirms that it was a joke and no decision has been made about her name. How many times new discussions do we need on this subject? Anemone  Projectors  18:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl TWEEDY!
We must rename it NOW!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.132.143 (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * See all the above discussions. Anemone  Projectors  13:58, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Current law
Under current English law, any one can use any name he or she likes. This has been the case in Britain for 2,000 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.35.83 (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Cheryl Cole is still the widely used common name in the media. BritishWatcher (talk) 14:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

@BRITISH WATCHER, NO IT'S NOT YOU IDIOT BUFFOON —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.134.135 (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * See the above discussions. There has been do official decision on her name. Simon Cowell was joking when he said "Tweedy" and the media have latched onto it as if it was serious. Anemone  Projectors  18:39, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Gosh, give it a rest!
Like someone above said, "See the above discussions. There has been do official decision on her name. Simon Cowell was joking when he said "Tweedy" and the media have latched onto it as if it was serious". It's up to CHERYL HERSELF if she wants to change her name or not, and even if she does her name will still be CHERYL COLE and that's what I will always call her (I despise the name Tweedy as it reminds me of Chicken Run :P) Just because she's asked friends to call her Tweedy, just because Simon Cowell introduced her as Cheryl Tweedy, does not change a thing. I mean anyone can ask their friends to call them whatever they want, it still doesn't change their name.

Plus, they're not even divorced yet! I say we just leave this matter alone and change the name of the article ONLY after the divorce and ONLY if she says she's changed her name. Plus, most women keep their exes' last names anyway because it's their married name. So for the 38467873645238692483th time, GIVE IT A REST! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.71.61 (talk) 20:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * This rant was pretty unnecessary; people have stopped changing it and we are just discussing it now. No need for ANOTHER new section as well! Anemone  Projectors  21:58, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

My apologies for ranting. It's just that all this malarkey over her name BEFORE the divorce is getting on my nerves. Sorry again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.71.61 (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia, the free egoistic encyclopedia
I thought everyone can edit in the Wikipedia. And what is it? We can't rename Cheryl Cole to Cheryl TWEEDY! That's her name and everyone have to accept it. When she got married we have to change her name! I can't believe it! The newspapers, the magazines, etc. everyone writes her as Cheryl Tweedy! But Wikipedia says NO! A really egoistic encyclopedia... --Maurice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.129.195.113 (talk) 11:16, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * When she married Ashley Cole, her name became Cheryl Cole. Her name is still Cheryl Cole. Cheryl has not announced a name change. As has been said, many tabloids and other media sources picked up on Simon Cowell's joke, assuming it to be official, but it was a joke. Many media sources refer to her correctly as Cheryl Cole, so it's not everyone. Anemone  Projectors  11:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Not *everyone* calls her Cheryl Tweedy, like AnemoneProjectors said people are just picking up on what Simon Cowell said, which is a joke and not to be taken serious. In the magazine articles I have read anyway it says Cheryl COLE so there. And again referring to AnemoneProjectors post, she hasn't announced whether she is changing her name or not and even if she does she will still be Cheryl Cole because that is her legal married name, Cheryl Tweedy may just be her stage name but Cole is her name now and leave it as that. Sorry if it makes it look like I'm ranting BTW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.71.61 (talk) 14:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

As for the editing, only the admins can change the title of a wiki page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.71.61 (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, you weren't ranting :-) The page is semi-protected so new and unregistered users cannot edit it it, but users who are not admins can. Anemone  Projectors  14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Simon Cowell was JOKING when he said Tweedy
And as such a joke is not to be taken seriously. End of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.71.61 (talk) 14:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We know, it's been said already. No need for another new section! Phew! Anemone  Projectors  14:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Update
Reports came out yesterday that she is definitely keeping her name as Cole (because it is her best known name) and her second album will be called Cheryl Cole. Sources: MTV, The Sun, 3am, AOL, Digital Spy. Anemone Projectors  00:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Instituionalisation on the subject of the article "Cheryl Cole", 17 August 2010
I would like to change her name from "Cole" to "Tweedy" as she has recently been divorced.

Instituionalisation (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a reliable source reference showing that she has indeed legally changed her name? All the sources I see say she will change her name or comment on Simon Cowell calling her by her maiden name. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

- No sources and this change will require agreement. BritishWatcher (talk) 15:58, 17 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to add to this, Cheryl has confirmed now that she is not changing her name to Tweedy, and her second album will be released under the name Cheryl Cole. Here's just one source of many:  Anemone  Projectors  17:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds like good marketing sense. Glad there are now reliable sources on it, because i recall many fights over the name to use here. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:41, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I listed some other sources at the time, in a section above. Maybe we should make mention of it in the article. Anemone  Projectors  18:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, after mentioning the divorce it would be good just to say it was confirmed she would not be changing her name. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Good article?
Hi, I'd like to nominate this article for GA status and wondered whether anyone has any thoughts on this. I have made a few edits to it, but would be making the nomination as a favour to someone else who did quite a bit of work on it, but who is away from Wikipedia indefinitely so isn't able to do it themselves. I have done some background reading on the subject and am familiar with the article, so should be able to do it justice in any GA nomination. So, any thoughts? I'll wait a few days, tidy some of the references up a bit, read through the text, tidy the lead then perhaps nominate it over the weekend. TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Promise this
New single confirmed on twitter...waiting for more official confirmation. Would someone add it as soon as this happens, as I can't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.195.21.158 (talk) 09:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Current profile image
The current image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cheryl_Cole2.jpg) doesn't really portray the current Cheryl as it was taken in 2007. The image is of considerably low quality also. I think it's about time this image was updated. Stephenjamesx (talk) 18:46, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Criticism
There should DEFIANTLY this section here not everyone loves Cheryl she has many critics.
 * Her singing and using Auto-tune or lip syncing since she has weak vocals live.
 * rivalry with band mate Nadine Coyle (the one wioith t
 * her "fashion sense" is the result of very very expensive Stylists she even admits she spends 200,000 a year maintaining her looks.
 * Criticism for using unfairly Xfactor and Simon Cowell a ladder or tool to promote her music
 * Using the "victim" angle in the media which is mostly cheryl bias in her favour for publicity.

dont say anythign about references because all you need to do is google it and plenty of realible sources will come up.--♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but on Wikipedia we need reliable third party sources to verify information. If this has been discussed in something like a newspaper or magazine then by all means it can go in, but if it hasn't and is just some random person's opinion then it shouldn't be included. We're an encyclopedia, not a downmarket redtop with nothing better to print than celebrity tittle tattle. TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 109.224.139.206, 11 September 2010
She changed her second name back to Tweedy when she got divorced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.139.206 (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No source for this, and the decree nisi was only granted a week ago. Therfore, legally, they are still married until the decree absolute, when presumably she will make an announcement. Unless you have a source that says she has already made such an announcement? Rodhull  andemu  20:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * She has made an announcement - that she is keeping the name Cole. (See the prevous edit request for the same, and the entire discussion Can we move the page back please? (Cole/Tweedy).) Anemone  Projectors  21:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

About Cheryl Cole & Ashley Cole...
This article mentions several sexual allegations made against her husband, the footballer Ashley Cole. Ashley Cole's own article doesn't mention them in any detail. The implication in this article is that Cheryl Cole filed for divorce because of those allegations, but we don't actually know if that's what made her do so. It seems to me that those allegations are more relevant to Ashley's article, since he was the person who (supposedly) engaged in the bad behavior. His now ex-wife wasn't directly involved. As for the surname, she is allowed to use any surname she pleases. She didn't in fact have to change it when she married; she doesn't have to change it now. She also is free to use a stage name which differs from the name she uses in her private life. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 15:24, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 217.50.54.83 (me), 21/09/2010
Could anyone with editing permissions on this article please change the Press Association URL? Google did as Google is notorious for, just care a flying F for 100 sites linking this and just took it off without saying a word. Thanks Google and your wonderful arbitrariness!!! (I hate this rat dump.) The article is (currently) referenced #118 and should be http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/national/news/8237366.Cowell_uses_Cheryl_s_maiden_name/ Thank you. -andy 217.50.54.83 (talk) 11:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I did find a Press Association article on it but it failed to mention the bit about her spokesman, so i have used the source you found. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 11:38, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh in future for Edit Requests, you can add.. which will add the Edit Request template, which will help get your request noticed. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Press Association articles hosted by Google always expire within a few weeks, so they should either be manually archived or found elsewhere. Anemone  Projectors  12:18, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

82.47.155.128 (talk) 20:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Place of Marriage
Her wedding to Ashley Cole took place at Highclere Castle as far as I know, not the place stated in the article. Can anyone confirm either way?

82.47.155.128 (talk) 20:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source otherwise? Rodhull  andemu  00:08, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Personal Life
"On 26 July 2010, she made one of the fastest ever-known recoveries from the world's most potent killer disease." This seems very tongue-in-cheek and un-sourced as well. Can we get rid of it?
 * Source is bollocks, so removed. Rodhull  andemu  00:06, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Cheryl Cole criticism
Worth mentioning? http://uk.tv.yahoo.com/news-extra/article/65306/cheryls-controversial-choice-sparks-fury.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.164.172 (talk) 20:43, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. This is a distillation of what some fans think, and since they tend to be notoriously polarised, I wouldn't regard this as a reliable source. Rodhull  andemu  20:47, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Right, Cheryl Tweedy (Never Cole IMHO) is absolutely perfect and totally infallible, the best judge the show can have because she knew what it meant to go through such experiences when she did the Rivals thing in 2002 with the other Girls Aloud. Cheryl is beautiful and the most attractive judge the show ever had and people are jealous just always wanting to destroy her rep and dampen her image. Unreliable source. Case closed. Professor Fairness (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Professor Fairness, that was sarcasm I presume? In case it wasn't, let's make it clear: simply going through a similar experience as a contestant does not make someone a perfect and infallible judge - or even necessarily a good judge - when it comes to assessing the relevant abilities of other contestants. Furthermore, this isn't a simply a distillation of what 'some' X Factor viewers think, but of a majority. Two of the finalists chosen by Cheryl were considered by the majority of viewers to be less qualified (lower vocal ability, consistent mistakes, failing to finish singing their songs, etc.) than particular contestants who did not make it. --82.31.164.172 (talk) 18:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I would have agreed without hesitation on best looking judge, but am now a bit torn since Nicole guest judged..
 * replaced my previous reply, Prof is a sock! Bertcocaine (talk) 19:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Nationality
She's British, not English.

English is a cultural identification, not an official, or legal or administrative one.

She is a citizen of the UK, and thus she is British.

How she identifies herself culturally, and how other people identify her culturally, is a separate matter and not relevant to official nationality which is a legal fact, not a personal opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.53.188 (talk) 03:02, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

While i agree in that Cheryl doesn't do anything where the distinction matters, and so for her it is purely cultural, your general statement about being English is flawed - national sports teams indicate that in some 'official' or 'administrative' situations, the distinct does apply. i'm fairly sure that Scottish or Welsh MPs would also argue to point, but your logic would invalidate them as Welsh/Scottish, or invalid them as official! This argument is well documented on WP, and extends to numerous topics, like correct use of English, etc, etc, etc.... zzzzzzzz Bertcocaine (talk) 19:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Malaria
Since it was confirmed that Cheryl did in fact have malaria and has since made a full recovery, I think the section on her page should be edited. It could also be mentioned how this affected her job on the X Factor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.237.62 (talk) 15:27, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Current text:
 * "On 3 July 2010, Cole was admitted to hospital with suspected acute malaria. This was shortly after a visit to Tanzania, where it is believed she may have contracted the disease.[111]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.237.62 (talk) 15:28, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

SMS sexting
I wanted to add a part about the recent controversy http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1250649/Naked-Ashley-Cole-photos-sent-model-Sonia-Wild.html but it wont let me edit the article. Ozswiths (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I dont really think anything from that story is needed for the article. It was over 6 months ago now and if it wasnt deemed notable at the time, hard to see justification now. BritishWatcher (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. We don't need to include every single detail of the Cheryl/Ashley saga. TheRetroGuy (talk) 18:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

New image?
The current main image in this article is dated at 2008, perhaps a more up to date, new picture would be better suited? (e.g.File:CherylCole.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.231.189 (talk) 22:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Surname use throughout the article
94.194.89.144 (talk) 16:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I know the issue of which surname Cheryl chooses to use now has been discussed extensively, and is a matter of personal preference.

However, I wish to contend the use of the name Cole in relation to her life before she was married. For instance, the sentence "Cole began dating England and Chelsea footballer Ashley Cole in 2004, announcing their engagement after he proposed in Dubai in June 2005." is bizarre - surely it is more appropriate to use Tweedy, or simply Cheryl, in this instance?


 * We shouldn't refer to her has Cheryl. We should use the same name throughout, which is Cole. It's not untrue to say Cole did something even though she was called Tweedy at the time. It still refers to the same person. Anemone  Projectors  21:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Books
"In April 2009, it was reported that Cole had signed a £5 million deal with HarperCollins to author five romantic novels for the company,[81] however, no such novels have been released yet" This statement is wrong. There is no evidence to suggest Cheryl has signed a deal to author five romantic novels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WadeFrith (talk • contribs) 22:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, removed. Off2riorob (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Television
"In September 2010, after much speculation, STV reported that Cole, alongside Cowell, would be on the judging panel on the American version of The X Factor.[48] The Daily Mail reported that Cowell and Cole had been in discussion for months about the move which would see series seven of the UK show become Cole's last series before making the move to the American version of the show." At this stage this is just rumour/speculation and therefore should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WadeFrith (talk • contribs) 00:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅--5 albert square (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Surname
If she is no longer married to that Mr. Cole character, her name and this very article should now be changed to Tweedy. This thing is a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.183.19.227 (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * no this has been discussed enough, divorced people don't automatically revert back to their old surname--Lerdthenerd (talk) 11:32, 19 November 2010 (UTC)


 * She has not indicated that she is reverting to her maiden name. Jim Michael (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * She has not reversed her name and is now refered to as Cheryl COLE.

POV bias, who is allowing this?
Who wrote these sections? her PR? The amount of Bias towards Cole in this article is shocking, the Public Image section completely POV. Virtually none of the ACTUAL criticism Cheryl recives. i.e Miming, autotune and using the X-factor to promote her singles. vicious Spat against Wagner on live air,choosing flopped singers like Katie & Cher over Gamu. Costing Treyc Cohen her place in the show despite having MORE votes than Katie for not doing her job which was to send the worse act home or infact vote. The article is beginning to turn into a adverstiment for Cole. --♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 13:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * But on the other hand, it could be said that what you posted there is baised because you clearly don't like her. The X Factor contoversies are on the X Factor page and the miming issue hasn't been proved; it's just tabloid gossip. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WadeFrith (talk • contribs) 23:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)


 * She DOES mime or uses heavy back track,she did it at the Brits 2010 and was clearly off sync. Its well known she has a weak she has even admitted herself she "knows her limits:". Most sources for Miss Tweedy here are from the tabloids, this whole "nations sweetheart" garbage is something the TABLOID MEDIA dubbed her not the general public. So anything positive from the tabloids is "reliable" yet anything not positive is "unrealible"?


 * Yes, you are clearly a fan and dont want criticsm to added or anything that doesnt put her in a positive light.

Before you make accusations of who I do or dont like, I am the one who found sources that the whole "racism" thing with that toilet attendant was a PR spin since the original Police reports didnt have it reported. Such a hater am I? However 99% of this page is "chery is so great, cheryl can do this, cheryl is so sucessful" this Yet it has missed out crucial points of events in the year; I am begining to think cheryl's PR has hijacked this page for this amount of information be suppressed --♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Gamu
 * Charging nearly 300,000 for a charity gig
 * Bullying Wagner on air over tabloid gossip
 * Skipping her job on voting the worse act out since it would not look good for her
 * Miming accusations and blatant miming at the Brits
 * her own bandmate Nadine admitting she purposely ignores her
 * I agree with the previous writer. I think you are biased yourself. And I will personally check this article. I think that these topics should be inserted. But NOT from your standpoints. One of you cares from Cole and one of yous doesn't. The article would turn biased from you two. IHelpWhenICan (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with IHelpWhenICan. The stuff to do with the X Factor is really relevant to the show and as such is covered on the show's page and not Cheryl's.  That's the same with any X Factor judge.  As for charging nearly £300,000 for a charity gig, I cannot find anything to back this up.  However because the stuff that you have posted above is all negative it could be said that you are biased as well.  --5 albert square (talk) 23:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


 * All the stuff I listed HAVE sources online but the problem is it's quite clear ANYTHING apart from the toilet attendant bust up that potrays Tweedy in a negative light or speaks of criticism of her despite being sourced is being filtered out however constant praise (i.e the nation sweetheart dribble by the press) is seen as "relevant" Again before making accusations please check my contribution to the toilet attendant bash where I balanced the source that stated racism was never proven and a PR spin. So Bias i am


 * charging for the charity gig

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv-entertainment/music-news/2010/10/11/cheryl-cole-nets-220-000-for-half-hour-gig-115875-22625047/ http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/502655/cheryl-cole-paid--220-000-for-private-gig-after-x-factor-live-show/1/ http://new.uk.music.yahoo.com/blogs/behind_the_music/28846/cheryl-cole-earns-220000-in-35-minutes/


 * Public anger over ditching Gamu over Katie & Cher (sorry this is something everyone knows costed her dearly in terms of public view)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv-entertainment/x-factor/2010/10/04/x-factor-final-12-backlash-as-cheryl-cole-dumps-gamu-nhengu-115875-22607043/ http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/tv-news/502005/itv-gets-500-complaints-about-gamu-nhengu-s-x-factor-axe/1/


 * Want more? I'll be happy to add more, since this whole "there are no sources" rubbish. BTW dont get me started on the miming this something NOBODY can deny she does and did very badly at the Last Brits.--♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Ofcourse not from my standpoints, I wouldnt add something to ANYBODY in that form regardless of what I think but the fact is major controversial moments or vital criticism Tweedy has faced or being bleeped out or filtered down by fans. Just check history to avoid this happening by certain individuals.--♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * But, on the other hand, with all the dancing she did in her BRIT Awards performance she would have been so out of breath that she wouldn't have been able to sing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.14.186 (talk) 22:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The Public image section has been removed due to it being heavily biased in her favour. Most of it was very positive, despite the fact that thousands of people dislike her. Whilst I agree that the section as it was should not be part of the article, its removal leaves the article incomplete. Cole is the most popular woman in the UK; the article should point out her huge popularity. As the article stands, readers who are unfamiliar with her, such as people living in parts of the world where she is not famous, would not know that she is the most popular member of Girls Aloud, let alone the most popular woman in the UK. The article should also include criticism of her. There is lots of criticism of her in the media, so I don't see why there is very little of it in this article. Jim Michael (talk) 20:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

"Cole is the most popular woman in the UK; the article should point out her huge popularity". It's POV to an article reflect besides she isn't its well known she has lost alot of popularity in the past 2 years she is only kept in tact due to good PR & Simon Cowell's Xfactors, she is just ALWAYS in the tabloid press who LOVE her it doesnt make her "popular" with the public. But I agree 100% there should be a criticism section especially since she has been involved with many gaffes with the years especially this year. Jim,my problem is that I fear that if you go down that route you are at risk in turning the page into a global Advert for Miss Tweedy.--♥Yasmina♥ (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The media cover her prominently because millions of people, mostly fans, are interested in her and that helps them sell newspapers, magazines etc. She wouldn't have won FHM's 100 Sexiest Women in the World poll if it was only the media who love her. Many people and some media sources have criticised her. Hence the article should include criticism of her - at the moment the only negative things in the article about her are being suspended from school and punching a toilet attendant. Criticism sections used to be present on many Wikipedia articles, but they are now discouraged and less common as they are seen to make articles non-neutral. I think the article should include more about her popularity, wealth, the great deal of media coverage she receives, and the criticism of her; the article doesn't convey her prominence without it. I don't know if there should be a new section, or if things should be added to currently existing sections of the article. Jim Michael (talk) 07:50, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * She's not really that prominent. And again, if you're going to add all the positive trivia about Cheryl then you'd have to balance it with a proportionally equal amount of negative trivia to maintain NPOV.--Topperfalkon (talk) 13:29, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I can't think of another woman who is as prominent in the UK as she is. Kate Middleton isn't consistently as high-profile. That's why I think there should be information in the article to reflect Cole's high profile and how much she is liked and disliked. I don't know what is relevant enough to include and what isn't. The removal of the Public image section means that the lead has info in it about her image and profile that is not contained in the rest of the article. Per WP:LEAD, that should not be the case. Cole has been criticised by many people and media sources for her choice of her four contestants: Rebecca Ferguson, Katie Waissel, Cher Lloyd and Treyc Cohen, and for refusing to vote between Waissel and Cohen when asked who she wanted to send home. Should that info be in this article, or only in The X Factor (UK series 7)? Jim Michael (talk) 19:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Heaton / Byker
I have re-written the article slightly to state that the estate on which she grew up in, the Addison & Grafton Estate is south of the East Coast Main Line which separates Heaton (to the north) and Byker (to the south). Locals refer to the railway line being the dividing line between both areas. This estate is not in the heart of Byker; so I've written it to say that it lies in between. BNC85 1259hrs 09/10/09.


 * I've removed the phrase "into the poverty of council estates in the inner city districts of" within the 'Early Life' section because - frankly - neither Walker nor Heaton can be described as "poverty".


 * It has been replaced with "and lived in the districts of" as it is a lot more WP:NPOV and does not contain weasel words. --Scuzzmonkey (talk) 18:35, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no doubt that she comes from a poor background. She has stated that she grew up on a deprived council estate which had a severe heroin problem. Jim Michael (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * She grew up on a council estate. No doubt she's from a working class family, but she didn't grow up in poverty as the article now says. Should really be removed IMO. --213.112.21.83 (talk) 16:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I have missed something, but the text does not mention "poverty". Can you provide text you are referring to? --BwB (talk) 19:39, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone removed it today. It was in the first line of the "Early life" section. --213.112.21.83 (talk) 20:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * What makes anyone think she didn't grow up in poverty? Her upbringing, family and the council estates she grew up on sound as though they are more underclass than working class. Ref 15 The Times, (a reliable source) Superstar Cheryl Cole overcomes council estate adversity, states: '...Britain's Wonder Woman [Cole]...raised in the glummest council estates in the land, poverty-stricken areas where drugs and violence rule.' Jim Michael (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I reckon our difference is just a matter of definition. I'm not a local but neither of the places mentioned seem to fit my definition, albeit I don't know the exact circumstances of her upbringing. I think it's fine the way it is now anyway. --213.112.21.83 (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Cheryl's ethnicity
Cheryl Tweedy's parents are NOT native British and are of Gypsy origin. If Prime Minister David Cameron's Jewish background is mentioned in Wikipedia, the same rule should apply to everyone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.242.16 (talk) 12:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea whether or not this is accurate, but whatever the case, something like that could only be mentioned if there were reliable sources to back it up. Otherwise, it's best to leave it out. TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Her father seems to be white and her mother half Northern Indian from Asia and half white.
 * I am going by photos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Cole and her mother are mixed-race, but we need a reliable source that states that to be the case. Could you provide a link to a picture of her father? This issue has been brought up before - the problem is a lack of reliable sources stating the ethnic heritage of either parent. Jim Michael (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * See a Google search on "Gary Tweedy image". He seems to be fifth from the left in the top row. Note that "Gary Tweedy" is a common name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.34.229 (talk) 12:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, if she is of mixed race origin then surely that would have come to light during her trial back in 2003. Somebody would have dug the fact out and reported it, but I personally have no recollection of anyone doing so. TheRetroGuy (talk) 13:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't identify any pic that is of her father from an image search. I think it is a lack of verifiable evidence regarding her being mixed race that has prevented reporting it - neither the mainstream press nor us can say 'of course she's mixed race, it's obvious'. It wouldn't have been relevant regarding her trial; a defendant being mixed race is not a valid defence to being accused of calling someone a black bitch, which the court in any case didn't believe she did do. Jim Michael (talk) 02:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the self-defence, but I still think someone would have picked it up. And maybe even Cole herself, when later speaking of the incident (as she has once) might have said something along the lines of "Well I'm mixed race so the last thing I would do is call someone a black bitch", etc. TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Her dad is white, he was featured in 'Off The Record' as well as 'Home Truths' some years ago. 78.146.12.76 (talk) 10:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Tattoos
The number of tattoos is said to have gone up to seven, including temporary tattoos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 17:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OMIGOD!!! This must be rectified without delay otherwise the whole fabric of the universe will collapse!! But seriously, why should anybody care? There's trivia, there's shit, and there's this. Rodhull  andemu  23:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Rodhullandemu, the amount of tattoos she has is irrelevant and doesn't need to be included --5 albert square (talk) 18:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Her tattoos, at least the one on her hand, are of some significance. Her tattoos are quite well known and the one on her hand especially is a trademark. Considering that Angelina Jolie, David Beckham, and even Rihanna have their tattoos discussed on their pages, I do not see why Cheryl shouldnt. Hers are just as talked about and just as prominent (well maybe not compared with Beckham). Other well known tattoos are her tramp stamp, Mrs C on her neck, and her leg tattoos. I think she has one on her bum as well. Dirtyharry8 (talk) 08:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Singer/ songwriter?
Is there any evidence or references that justify the classification songwriter? From Wikipedia's own definition a songwriter writes words and music - is there any evidence to back this up for Ms Cole/ Tweedy? Djobjective (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I watched an interview where she said will.i.am told her to write the lyrics to 3 Words and she did. Apparently he was quite impressed. This may have been on Cheryl Cole's Night In, but may have occurred in another interview. Dirtyharry8 (talk)

08:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC) It was on Cheryl Cole's Night In. Its on youtube.
 * also the sleeves of both her albums contain all the information relating to song writing credits etc and she is clearly named as songwriter on a number of tracks across the two albums.Ajcharmed (talk) 16:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)ajcharmed

Cheryl back with Ashley?
Cheryl getting back with Ashley? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.43.210 (talk) 19:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * They've discussed it according to this. I suppose we can mention it in the article if it happens. May I just say, however, that this isn't a forum for general discussion on the topic. This page is for discussing improvements to the article. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And this question seems to come from this, which is speculation at best and not encyclopedic. TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Awards and nominations "pending"
In the list of her awards and nominations there are 2 BRIT award 2011 entries which have a result "Pending". What does this mean in the context of the other results? As the BRIT award nominees haven't been announced yet, isn't this a bit premature (the Yahoo reference provided is a broken link). Smallestdruid (talk) 19:54, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The 2011 nominations have been announced. "Pending" simply means she's been nominated but we're waiting for the result. – Anemone Projectors – 21:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The X Factor (U.S. season 1)
After months of speculation, the wait is finally over - it has been confirmed that Cheryl Cole WILL be appearing as a judge on the U.S. version of The X Factor. In a statement released on 5Th May 2011, the British singer is confirmed as a judge on the talent show - joining Simon Cowell and Antonio 'LA' Reid on the judging panel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.222.244 (talk) 14:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

she got fired from x factor usa and replaced by nicole scherzinger. update pl0x — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.195.178 (talk) 00:20, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's still a rumour at this stage, so when an official statement from FOX/her publicist is released, the page will be updated. :) Fayriesakura (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It isn't confirmed by FOX but it is pretty much a known fact. While it hasn't been, shouldn't we add something in the article where it says that it was speculated that she was canned and FOX still hasn't commented? Michael.gomez.hidalgo (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably Cowell decided that they needed someone with a brain! Incomprehensible dialect was just an excuse - that would rule out most Americans too.  Any "girl band" member who says that "it just feels wrong not to be [a member of the Labour Party] would obviously be out of her depth in a carpark puddle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 23:59, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well here's a link to an article about her axing on STV's website. Given that STV are part of ITV who broadcast the UK X Factor I can't see why they would make up that she's been axed from either the UK or the US one.--5 albert square (talk) 11:29, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it's been widely reported enough now by reliable sources that we don't need to wait for an announcement from ITV, Fox or The X Factor. The way it was worded here was fine (it was reported, etc). It's highly unlikely to be untrue considering the amount of coverage it's had. – Anemone Projectors – 11:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Look, I'm personally not happy with anything going in there until it's confirmed, because there are still reports that this is a publicity stunt and I don't think there's any real need to jump the gun. However, if the consensus is that you want to jump the gun, do so. But I will revert what is in there currently as it's spectacularly poorly written. Add something if you really feel the need, but DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PRESENT IT AS FACT. You can perhaps say that it has been reported etc etc, but keep it neat, clean and without that STV article. Needs to be from a reliable and credible site, given that it is all actually rumour. Report on the news report. Not on the rumour itself. Sky83 (talk) 12:35, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Can I just ask why STV (TV network) wouldn't count as a reliable and credible source given that they are part of ITV who are the UK broadcaster?--5 albert square (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Because it would be a bias and it's not a credible news site. If you insist on entering this information so early, at least make the site reliable. Use a BBC article or something like that. And please make sure what is written is formatted correctly. Sky83 (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Is The Independent reliable enough? Favonian (talk) 12:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, The Independent is fine. But please only add information about the news reports on the rumours, not the rumours themselves. There is a distinction and it's important for something highly questionable like this. Sky83 (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality of Career section
The overall career section of this article contains only almost ONLY highlights that focus on excessive praise of Cheryl Cole and should be revised in order to portray a more neutral viewpoint. Cyrip (talk) 22:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * While I agree that the career section focuses mostly on the highlights of Cheryl's career, I can't really find evidence for excessive praise? Could you maybe quote sentences which you would like to see changed? I'd like to sort out the section and this would help :] Fayriesakura (talk) 09:42, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * For instance, the 3 Words and Messy Little Raindrops sections only highlight positive reviews of the albums when the reception for each was decidedly mixed. The second album sold much less than her first album and had fewer singles but this isn't mentioned, and again, the article focuses on only the positive aspects of the era. The sentence in 3 Words "From May to July 2010, Cole was the opening act for The Black Eyed Peas at the British shows (as well as some European dates) of The E.N.D. World Tour.[56][57][58] Chris Johnson of the Daily Mail wrote, "she was supposed to be the support act. But as it turned out, Cheryl Cole ended up being the main event".[59]" is potentially problematic as well, as it takes a singular viewpoint about Cheryl's reception on a specific date of the tour and makes it sound as if this was the general consensus of every tour date. A quick read-through of these sections feels as though it was written by a very big fan or someone in Cheryl's camp because it reads like a resume or C.V. Let me know your thoughts. Cyrip (talk) 9:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I will admit I read it over once, but now that you've pointed it out, the neutrality is to be disputed, yes. It would do better with a re-write. I can't, because I'm not autoconfirmed, but I hope someone else will have a go at it! Fayriesakura (talk) 21:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)