Talk:Cheryl Chase (activist)

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Removed some sources and clarified
I removed the Annalee Newitz article because it is chock-a-block full of errors.

I removed the Jen Philips article because it is no longer available (404).

I removed the claim that Cheryl Chase was subjected to "sex change operation" and to "vaginoplasty" because, in fact, I was only subjected to clitorectomy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherylchase (talk • contribs)


 * What are the errors in the Newitz article? The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, so we usually don't remove sources outright, but note contradictory statements in sources. Also, what year did you graduate MIT? As it reads, this happened after you returned from Japan. I want to get the chronology right. Thanks! Jokestress 06:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Garbled paragraph
The first paragraph of the second section has become garbled during edits last February. __meco 10:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

LGBT article parentage
I have the impression that interxexuality has been dosowned by the LGBT WikiProject. If this is the case, the project banner should be removed from this article. __meco 10:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

removal of categories
I removed several categories and they were re-instated, with a courteous note on my userpage directing me to WP:CAT. Having read that page in more detail, I would beg to disagree, and think it more productive to discuss the editing choices here. All I will do to the page for now is add the Too many categories.

From the introduction to the guidelines:
 * "The categories to be included, which serve as classifications, should be the significant (useful) topics to which the subject of the article most closely belongs to as a member". Also, "If you go to the article from the category, will it be obvious why the article was put in the category? Is the category subject prominently discussed in the article?"
 * From point 7: "Categories that are not self-evident should not be included on the article; a list might be a better option."
 * Point 8: "An article should normally possess all the referenced information necessary to demonstrate that it belongs in each of its categories. Avoid including categories in an article if the article itself doesn't adequately show it belongs there."

From these basic guidelines, some of the categories are not appropriate (which of course does not mean that they are not true). Nowhere in the article does it suggest she is a businessperson or an Irish American. Being from New Jersey and formerly being an ex-patriate are not "significant useful topics". I believe these should be deleted. BrainyBabe (talk) 09:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You have a good point about the Irish American and business people categories. If the article does not discuss them, they should be removed (as per point 7 & 8). However you are misinterpreting the use of the phrase "significant (useful) topics." This does not mean that the person is known primarily for that topic: this is explained in the sentences following the quote you mentioned. For instance, Oprah Winfrey may not be well-known for being a American of Native American Descent and Peter Sagal is not defined primarily by his hometown being New Jersey. Significant is an adjective modifying the topic. So in the former cases: Americans of Native American Descent and People from New Jersey are considered significant topics. If you don't consider those categories significant, you can nominate them for deletion. If you don't feel that Cheryl Chase belongs in a category (either because she isn't, say, from New Jersey or there is a more specific category she more closely belongs in, say, Activists from New Jersey) that would be a good reason for its removal. Queerudite (talk) 22:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've removed the two we agree about. I will think about the others.  Too tired now! BrainyBabe (talk) 00:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've gone and removed one category,, by creating a new combo category, , which right now just has her (hir?). I don't think it can or needs to be shortened any more right now -- eight is a perfectly respectable number of categories. $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 19:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Bo Laurent
The article subject has been in the process of consolidating her identities under the name Bo Laurent. I have changed the name throughout per her cv, which states "Note: I have published under several names, including Bo Laurent, Cheryl Chase, and Bonnie Sullivan." This presents a little complication, since she is best known as Cheryl Chase. Policy here is to respect someone's preferred name, though. I have also divided the article into three sections, which I feel helps organize the information a little better. I have this set as a redirect for now, but perhaps we should move the article to Bo Laurent. Thoughts? Jokestress (talk) 15:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think the article should be moved as per WP:MOSBIO: "The article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known." In fact, the policy also suggests that subsequent uses should also prefer the common name. So I think we should change the article to refer to Chase, instead of Laurent. As an example, see Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens). I won't change this now, in case I am mistaken in my interpretation of the policy. Queerudite (talk) 07:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This one is a little complicated because we also have a courtesy guideline for using someone's preferred name. It also helps in terms of disambiguation to use Bo Laurent, to distinguish from the voice actor. Your argument makes sense to me based on the relevant style guides, though. I am fine with Chase throughout. Jokestress (talk) 20:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You are right, this is more complicated. To clarify: I think the article should be Cheryl Chase because she used Bo Laurent and Cheryl Chase somewhat interchangeably. So I would argue that Bo Laurent is her real name, and Cheryl Chase is her pseudonym, so like Mark Twain, the pseudonym should be preferred because it is how she is popularly known. But this is complicated by the fact that this is the biography of a living person who has stated a name preference. So is it more appropriate to use her preferred name or her popular pseudonym? I am going to ask the LGBT Project for some more opinions. Queerudite (talk) 16:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the top of the page, the subject has edited WP (as Cheryl Chase, FWIW). Has anyone asked her opinion here (not that it's the only consideration, but it's relevant)? Aleta  Sing 20:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Undent... Good suggestion, Aleta. I contacted Bo, and here is what she said:

Hi Nathan,

I'm going to be using Bo Laurent going forward, but that doesn't mean that I can re-write history. I suspect that the vast majority of folks looking for me at Wikipedia are starting with the name "Cheryl Chase," so that's the more useful name to use for the entry. And it's accurate to use that name to describe work that I did on intersex and dsd issues until this year.

I'm certainly not offended by the name Cheryl Chase.

Best,

Bo

Is it acceptable to use Cheryl Chase to refer her intersex-related work prior to 2008 and Bo Laurent for her subsequent work? This incidentally is how her bio on the ISNA website refers to her. Queerudite (talk) 05:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Synthesis tag within activism section
I have subjected the paragraph to a synthesis tag, because this does not accurately reflect the primary source Paediatrics paper accurately (which is not cited per Wikipedia guidelines).

In August 2006, Pediatrics published a letter signed by 50 international experts including Chase titled "Consensus Statement on the Management of Intersex Disorders" arguing this position, without making a specific recommendation for parents of intersex children.

The sentence suggests the position argued is as the summary of Chase's position: "difficulties cannot be eliminated by early genital surgery". The statement suggests that surgery is recommended in many cases. Mish (talk) 20:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I edited that section. What do you think?-- Brainy J  ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 20:48, 14 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks better, thanks. What has gone would need to be in its own paragraph, with supportive references. -  Mish Mich  -  Talk  - 21:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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